Jeanneau NC 895 - please start new subject specific threads

[bluedart]

The vents in my boat do not close. U will have to improvise. It’s not usually a good idea to close vents on an a/c system. They are designed with a certain air flow and if it is impeded they can freeze up.

[marbelliana]

Howdy, all!  Just wanted to introduce myself.  We're pretty darn close to pulling the trigger on a new NC 895 and I found this forum while researching the boat.  Seems like some really great ideas flowing back and forth on how to setup the boat and was glad to find a forum focused solely on Jeanneau boats. 

We're a family of 5 and boat out of South Jersey in the Somers Point area.  We've been boating for some years and just sold a Searay Sundancer 310 and a Chaparral H20 (both sold in the last month).  We sold both boats so we could consolidate down to just one boat that checks most of the boxes.  It was great reading all the posts and actually pointed out some things that I hadn't really thought about (like where to put the actual name of the boat since the outboards pretty much rule that out).  I also noticed there aren't any TV's included with the boat and was wondering how everybody dealt with that for those of you that need your TV fix (we have 3 kids, so a TV is pretty much a must-have :-) 

We typically hit the sand bars, cruise inside on the ICW, and certainly take the boat out front when headed to Cape May or Atlantic City.  The 895 seems like a great boat for all the things we typically do and we're just ironing out some things with our local dealer.  

Interestingly, I got a pricing sheet from my local dealer that allowed me to select our options.  However, I also have a feature spec sheet that shows options that the dealer pricing sheet does not include (for example a bow ladder and teak flooring in the cockpit, which is on the Spec sheet, but not the pricing sheet).  Also wanted to know if anyone opted for the propane gas stove vs. the electric stove.  We never used the electric stove on the SeaRay, but I'm pretty sure we'd cook with the stove if it actually had a flame...pros and cons and your experience with either certainly welcome!  

We aren't planning on ordering the boat for about another month, maybe slightly less...I realistically don't need it til the start of next season.  

Anyway, just wanted to say hello!  Looking forward to hopefully contributing and helping out where I'm qualified to do so :-)

Thanks!

[rene460]

Hi Marbelliana, a warm welcome to the forum, and thank you for that great introduction.  You will fit in well here.  It’s a great place to meet like minded people and enrich your boating experience.  Lots of great information in the archives that is both timeless and applicable to many different models as the same systems are used on many.

I have a 12 V TV on board which is the same brand as the am/fm radio and connected so the sound comes through the main speakers.  It was a bit more expensive than the cheap mains powered ones, but runs directly from the batteries so does not need an inverter.  I have similar on my land based caravan, and they both work well and seem to have better signal sensitivity than some of the cheaper ones so long as you have an appropriate Omni-directional powered aerial. It also has a DVD slot in the side for the favourite discs for the kids, and for the adults when required.

The stove is another thing common to power and sail.  My boat came fitted with a propane stove, and most people are pretty happy with them.  I opted to change it out for a meths, but that is just me.  I would not suggest it if you are not familiar with them.  So long as the propane locker has room for two gas bottles and a changeover valve it gives you the freedom to cook when you are at anchor or on a beach somewhere without shore power.  Two gas bottles so you do not run out just as you light up to make that first morning copy, they do not use much gas, you will only need small bottles.  2 kg. or 4 kg at the most.  I would suggest that as long as you have a properly certified installation for your country, with gas detectors in the bilge and automatic shut off you will enjoy the freedom of not requiring shore power.  Along with that, we have a Magma kettle bar-b-que in the back.  This increases the cooking options and keeps heat and messy clean up out of the cabin when the weather is suitable.  However, if you normally have shore power, you might investigate the stove models available.  Our land based van has a stove with three gas burners plus an electric one.  Best of both worlds!  We have just completed a three month road trip and only did one change of gas bottle on 4 kg bottles with two of us so quite economical even with your larger crew.  The single 2 kg bottle lasts well on the boat, but is only running the barby.  But nearly every night when we are on board.

We all look forward to hearing about your adventures.  It’s a great family activity.

rene460

[marbelliana]

Thank you, Rene!  Thanks for the info as we embark on our next boat buying journey!  Meanwhile, looking forward to reading everyone's posts!

[lynnardm]

Marbelliana

We chose the electric glass top cooktop for our 895. Primary reasons were to have a flat work area when it’s not in use, safety, and no worry about fuel. Of course we need to be on shore power or a generator to use it. We have a small portable single burner gas camp stove but have never used it. We also have a barbecue which is great. We had an FM antenna installed with a splitter with one cable to the FM radio and the other to the proposed location for the TV on the jog wall in the master berth. We also had a 12v power line run to the same location. The cabling is stowed in the starboard windshield wiper motor compartment We likely won’t even put a TV in as it’s nice to be away from it. Perhaps another radio at that location.

Capt’n Lynn

[Al]

Hi Marbelliana,

My wife and I have a 2018 NC 895. We were in your area in June. We stayed a night at the Harbour Cove Marina in Somers Point, NJ. We were traveling from our home on Long Island to Cape May. It’s the furthest south we’ve traveled so far. The boat handled great and we were very comfortable on our 10 day trip which included a combination of open ocean travel, bay waters, and the Intracoastal Waterway. The Jersey Shore is beautiful — we’ll be back for sure. On our way back to LI we traveled the ocean from Manasquan Inlet to Jones Inlet. It was wonderful; we saw a whale while out there in the open waters! We’ve also taken the boat as far north as the Erie Canal and as far east as Newport, RI.

We have the propane stove. It works great but as was mentioned previously it’s at the expense of valuable countertop space that the electric stove top provides. Managing the propane tank is easy. I just filled it the other day for $5.

We’ve been watching TV on our iPads but it hasn’t been great because marina WiFi performance is usually disappointing and while cellular works well when away from marinas, at some point we hit our max full bandwidth usage for the month and the connection speed ratchets down (which leaves us watching SD TV). Seems some sort of satellite TV setup is in our future. I’d be curious to hear how others get their TV on board.

One of the things we love most about the boat is the shallow draft. We live on a shallow water canal and often anchor in two or three feet of water to hang out on the beach. Our boat has twin 200 HP Yamaha outboards which are perfect for the boat.

I’ve seen an option for storage cabinets on the upper sides of the main berth. We don’t have those but I wish we did.

- Al 

[marbelliana]

@lynn, thanks for the feedback regarding the cooktop..so, the propane stove eliminates the ability the countertop that closes over top of it?  We definitely want a countertop for when the stove is not in use...curious how the propane stove alters the gallery area. 

Al, you were in my marina!  Wish I had known!  Also good feedback on the galley situation...glad to hear the boat acquitted itself well on such a long trip!  And yes, a shallow draft will be a welcome change from our Searay with twin inboards...draft was pretty much non-negotiable on that boat, but we only got stuck once :-)

I'll definitely consider some options for the TV.  Has anyone ordered the boat without electronics and decided to just go totally custom on that?  Something I'm considering but not sure if its worth the hassle...

Great info on here and appreciate everyone's responses so far!  This is really helping us in the decision-making part of the process, which is one of the most fun phases of buying a boat!

G

[pnw895owner]

Marbelliana
I’ll chime in later with a more detailed write up, but a few quick notes:

- we have a propane cooktop and so far it’s been great. You can use it on the hook, and we have a splitter running to the magma outdoor grill, so I don’t have to worry about getting fuel for that. Also, has cooked well. The issue with countertop is that with the propane is that the sire face of your cooktop is no longer flat. So there’s fewer good places to put a cutting board, for instance, than there otherwise might be. In either case, when not actively cooking you’ll keep the top down (which is flush in either configuration) so when the other posters say you’re losing surface area, they mean that when cooking, because the propane burners are raised, there is less flat area for other cooking related tasks.

- tv. Also have kids and like college football. So we have one in the main berth on the diagonal wall between the head and main berth. It has a DVD player which has been key for kids. Also have one ceiling mounted above the cooktop. It swings down and can rotate 360 so you can watch it out back or inside. I looked into satellite tv, but didn’t want to pay the $5k for the equipment plus monthly subscription. So we went with a marine tv antenna instead. In most ports (or near one) we get about 8 channels, with usually fox, nbc, and abc. That’s been good enough and is free after you pay for the $200 antenna.

[marbelliana]

pnw895owner: Thank you!  You got any pics of the TV mounted above the cooktop?  Would love to see how that lays out.  

Also, now I get what you're saying regarding the cooktop.  Makes sense.  I like the splitter idea between the 2 cooking sources...definitely love the idea of being able to cook on the hook...something i'm sure we will be doing quite a lot of since we anchor up all over the place...last boat had a genset, but we're not choosing that for this boat.  we just didn't use it enough and then I had to winterize THAT also :-)

[bluedart]

 This is my first season with the 895 NC.  

I am on the shrewsbury river in NJ.  Here is my two cents.

The boat definitely needs the Generator option in our area.  It runs the A/C all the time.  it is very quiet.  The cabin is hot due to all the windows.  As I mentioned in previous posts i am looking to cool the main cabin even more.  I am also trying to come up with ideas on getting more of a breeze in the cabin.  it needs some scopes to push air in at the top windows.  The front cabin hatch cannot be partially open.  it doesn't lock into place.  it is open and close and if you leave it open while running it blocks vision and bounces up and down on wind shield.

I don't have TV but just use a tablet connected to my phone by data. The boat only has one single 120V plug.  ( I don't know why since it has a generator and shore power.)  None in the sleeping cabins.  it could also use more 12V outlets. 


My punch list for this winter improvements is  1) auto pilot. 2) improve a/c venting 3) they use salt water for the head and it stinks.  I will connect head to fresh water and see if i can put in a vacuum head.  I don't like manual heads  4) The bilge pump set up is lacking.  Can not leave the pumps on and it leaves too much water in bilge.  A wet bilge causes corrosion. 5) i may do radar also.  i was out at night recently and the just worry on hitting unmarked objects as the pilot house does restrict visibility to a degree. The GPS is good for buoys etc but unmarked obstructions do come up.(i.e. no wake markers).

Overall i do like the boat, although like me you are going to a smaller boat and it does show up sometimes. 

[marbelliana]

Hey Bluedart,

Thanks for the reply.  You're right, our Searay had pretty much everything...outlets galore, dockside water (I'm not sure why they left that off this boat as it seems easy enough to include)...

You brought up the head.  I was/am a little worried about that.  Last boat had a vaccuflush head that used fresh water rather than seawater.  Never had a manual wet head.  Be careful, however, if using the same freshwater for both the head and your freshwater supply...any issues on that front could ruin your day...if not, you'll likely need another freshwater supply for the head unit, but it will then be a matter of where to place the additional freshwater storage on the boat.

The hatch above the berth doesn't lock?  So when you open it (I'm assuming it's on gas struts?) I can definitely see where it might obstruct your view, but you're saying you can't be underway with it open because it just slams up and down?

Does the AC cool the salon area or are you just saying "not enough."  I believe there are curtains for covering the windows on either side of the salon, but obviously there are still overhead sunroofs that will let light in unless something custom is created there (I don't believe there is a sunshade, just the open rooftop)

I've never had autopilot...not sure if that's something we'll do or not since I've never had it I can't say I miss it :-) 

How's the bow thruster?  

Great info!  Thanks,

Marbs

[pnw895owner]

- head. We got an electric flush but still uses salt water. I put an bio additive in every time we get back home and so far no smell or problems.

- autopilot: get it. Make sure it integrates with your gps. I got Garmin for both. I tell the gps the destination, turn the autopilot on, and the boat drives itself. It’s incredible for long trips, narrow channels and fog. It’s a better driver than I am.

- bow thruster: works great. Saved me a bunch of times.

[bluedart]

Hi, With the Head, I will be careful and install a check valve.  Most boats do use fresh water for head.  The stink is from the water that sits in the line filling the head.  I guess it depends on usage frequency and quality of water you are in. 

The hatch on the front has a friction hinge at the rear so you can not lock it into position.   One idea i was thinking on was installing  locking struts. 

I think the a/c at 16k BTU should be enough but there are three vents.  Main cabin, forward cabin and lower berth.  i am planning on diverting the lower and forward cabin to the main cabin which has all the windows and only one vent.  Even with the curtains and the A/C on full the cabin is too hot.  Curtains help when you leave the boat but are not really practical when using the boat.  The cabin is just uncomfortably warm to us.  i put white towels on the deck in front of the windshield since the black helm station and skylights absorb the sun and give off heat. 

On the auto pilot, its one of those items that once you have, you will never regret.  It makes cruising so much more relaxing.  

I also find the anchor tie off is a little awkward.  i would prefer a cleat right at the bow rather then tie off on the port or starboard cleats which make the boat wander a bit.   A bridle could resolve that.  

[marbelliana]

Great update, Bluedart.  Looking forward to hearing how your projects go!

[marbelliana]

Aug 26, 2018 6:02:17 GMT CruisingCascadia said:

Thanks Dogbreath,
We have decided to name her Cascadia as my wife is from Washington and I am from British Columbia. We will post more to the group as the build moves along.

Just saw your video on YouTube!  Amazing!  Best of luck to you both!!

[Al]

To avoid using salt water for the head we use water from the sink faucet. Since the faucet pulls out to be used as a shower this is very easy to do. At this point, we’re so used to doing it this way we no longer consider it a problem. The sea water flush on the other hand was nasty (as it was on our previous boat).

We prop open the main berth port window with the tray from the toaster oven and use one of those big tie wrap things I bought at Home Depot to keep it all securely in place while under way. This is a temporary solution that works well but a better/permanent solution is needed. Having the port window propped open is absolutely necessary on a hot day. And having it at roughly a 45 degree angle funnels air into the boat nicely while under way. 

We don’t have a generator. We tried a portable Honda generator that other boaters raved about but it was too loud and I returned it. Instead I installed four golf cart batteries and a 2000w DC to AC inverter. With this setup we have 460 amp hours and can run everything we want (microwave oven, Keurig coffee maker, toaster oven, hair dryer, curling iron, space heater, etc.) except for the AC. This bank of batteries is also used to start the second engine. 

The bow thruster works great but the windless does not: the anchor line jams when pulling it in. So, I need be on the front of the bow when pulling up the anchor whereas I’d prefer to be at the helm. Does anyone else have this issue?

We bought the boat without electronics. I installed a stereo system and thought I was going to install a GPS but the iPad running the Navionics app with the Vexilar WiFi depth finder has been so great that I’ve lost my urge for a Marine GPS.

We don’t do much night boating but once we were forced to boat at night because the locks at Shinnecock broke. As mentioned previously it’s difficult driving from inside at night. So I opened the sunroof, stood on the helm chair, brought my iPad with me so I could navigate, steered with my foot and did alright. My wife stood on her chair and worked the portable spot light. We went slow and got to our destination a couple of hours later. Obviously this wouldn’t have worked without good weather. We’re not well equipped for night boating but got through this particular challenge fine. 

[CruisingCascadia]

Sept 4, 2019 19:16:11 GMT marbelliana said:

Aug 26, 2018 6:02:17 GMT CruisingCascadia said:

Thanks Dogbreath,
We have decided to name her Cascadia as my wife is from Washington and I am from British Columbia. We will post more to the group as the build moves along.

Just saw your video on YouTube!  Amazing!  Best of luck to you both!!

Thank you Marabelliana! We had a great time with Paul from Jeanneau Underway at the Jeanneau rendezvous in Poet's Cove British Columbia. Cascadia was the only power boat there lol. We are aboard Cascadia right now on a two week trip. Spending the night in a secluded cove off of Von Donop Inlet.

[pnw895owner]

Hi Marbelliana,
Here are a few images of our setup, in response to your questions: 

Image of propane cooktop.

www.23hq.com/richmc82/photo/59605102/original


Image of extra 120v plug added in 2nd berth. I also added one in main berth.
www.23hq.com/richmc82/photo/59605099/original


Image of TV mount, which enables TV to swivel 360 degrees. 
www.23hq.com/richmc82/photo/59605095/original

[Skipper Arnie]

Dear All!

Yet another introduction from a Forum newbie… ;-) My name is Arnie, I live in Vienna, Austria. I have been "lurking" and reading along here, on and off, and gained lots of valuable insights from all you guys on the 895s. We have been quite familiar with Jeanneau boats (owned a 795 previously), and a Beneteau Antares (from the same "family tree") before that, but the Forum was of great help in the decision making process before moving up.

About six weeks ago we finally took delivery of what turned out to be the first 2020 model of the 895 built in Europe. It was delivered by our dealer to our port in the north of Croatia. Our main sailing area is the Mediteranean and Adriatic Sea (about a 5 hr. drive from our home in Austria, where we only have river boating on the Danube).

Our setup of the 895 is a little bit different from most of yours, as it seems:

• 2 x 175 hp Yamaha CETX
• Simrad Electronics (VHF, GPS, Fish Finder, Autopilot and Radar, integrated into Simrad GO9 as common interface)
• Solar Panels on the cabin roof, 180 W, keep batteries well charged in remote bays, even with fridge running high and lights and radio and phones and laptops being charged. We were self sufficient easily for three to four days at a time with this setup.
• Bow thruster
  
• Propane stove, we definitely want to cook at anchor and enjoy a nice dinner out in a remote bay
• no generator, but inverter, possibility to switch from shore power to inverter power for all 220v outlets
• no aircon (around the adriatic it may be hot in the summer, but not very humid, so we are outside most of the day, either in the water or enjoying the sunpad with all around shade nets).
• Shade nets for the aft sun pad, and also for all salon windows
• custom made bow pulpit
  
• we opted against a TV which was offered by our dealer, but we now have a 3G/LTE hotspot and Croatia and Italy have excellent cell coverage, so watching Netflix, news etc happens via Internet on the ipad - if needed at all. For us, a good book does it most of the time.
  

Our dealer suggested the two 175 horsepower Yamahas because of weight, agility, efficiency and redundancy. So far we have clocked about 25hrs on the engines, and I have to say, I am very happy. She planes extremely fast, runs stable and pushes through waves of one to two feet very nicely. Even tough it was breaking-in phase, we have averaged at 52 litres per hour (13.76 US Gallons) in cruise at 23 knots/4000rpm. Maneuvering with the two engines works like a charm. Once you have the hang of it, it's even more accurate than with the steering, especially in close quarters.

The suggestion for the Simrad electronics was also a dealer liberty, I guess. I am thankful for this, because usability is great. On the 795 we had a Lowrance electronics and the crappy usability of their software often left me speechless (and I am working with IT, so this should be not an issue).

Since the seawater toilet dicussion came up: we have the manual Jabsco original, with seawater. So far no problems with odors, but we empty the tank very regularily (max 3 days in the summer heat) and use a toilet tank additive (Solbio Marine).

We have done one upgrade last week which really made for a nice improvement: we have put in a Froli bed spring system underneath the mattress in the master cabin. Bed and sleep quality has improved bigtime.  

So, this is about the current status quo. Now we were able to go ahead and finally name her. Here is a short YouTube video from the evening of the nameing ceremony… ;-)  



Please let me know if there are any questions on our setup. I'm sure I will have more questions for all of you, as we move more into the nitty gritty details of the boat.

Until then, happy - and safe - boating, everybody!

Cheers,

Skipper Arnie

[Don Reaves]

Thanks for the tour! It was great to see the 895.

[dogbreath]

Sept 6, 2019 0:31:05 GMT Skipper Arnie said:

So, this is about the current status quo. Now we were able to go ahead and finally name her. Here is a short YouTube video from the evening of the nameing ceremony… ;-)  

Skipper Arnie. Welcome to the forum. Thanks for the tour of your boat. Very professional video and fun to watch. I like the name you picked for your boat - Lazy Days II. I am looking forward to future updates of your travels and any modifications you make to your boat as time goes on. Thanks Again Dogbreath

[marbelliana]

Sept 5, 2019 21:05:07 GMT pnw895owner said:

Hi Marbelliana,
Here are a few images of our setup, in response to your questions: 

Image of propane cooktop.


www.23hq.com/richmc82/photo/59605102/original

Image of extra 120v plug added in 2nd berth. I also added one in main berth.

www.23hq.com/richmc82/photo/59605099/original


Image of TV mount, which enables TV to swivel 360 degrees. 

www.23hq.com/richmc82/photo/59605095/original

This is SUPER HELPFUL!  Thank you so much!

[lynnardm]

Marbelliana

Here are a few additional thought based on your questions and all the gre at input from others.

One additional benefit of the elec stove is that it doesn’t put out moisture when it’s on like gas. Nothing worse than getting all the windows steamed up inside on a cool morning when having coffee which was the case with our 695. (I’m not trying to push the elec just presenting info). One thing I did to help with counter space is made a lightweight removable work area for the left of the sink that sets over the cup holders. I should take some pics sometime and share with all. We’re currently on the boat and in the San Juan’s So not easy to do.

We choose a white hull mainly due to the heat factor. Our 695 was blue. On a sunny day the inside areas of the hull would get hot to the touch. Our 895 is white and even in the sun the inside hull areas stay cool. I was shocked at the difference. Bottom line is a blue hull results in a warmer boat. But they sure are beautiful.

I considered A bow thruster mandatory. Some seasoned boaters might laugh at that. But a breeze or current can quickly swing the bow around.

For our boating in the NW areas I consider radar mandatory. We’ve been out in fog and poor visibility and at night too. Without radar I would have had to stay put. I also sometimes use it if there is a lot of boat traffic on an area as it’s a good awareness tool. Sometimes I see boats on it before visually. Especially in rough water. AIS is also good for this.

We ordered out boat without electronics and except for the fusion radio. I even had the factory not install the Yamaha engine gage. This was to be sure I had enough room to install the 12” chart plotter and also room for autopilot control.

Capt’n lynn

[marbelliana]

Sept 6, 2019 18:23:07 GMT lynnardm said:

Marbelliana

Here are a few additional thought based on your questions and all the gre at input from others.

One additional benefit of the elec stove is that it doesn’t put out moisture when it’s on like gas. Nothing worse than getting all the windows steamed up inside on a cool morning when having coffee which was the case with our 695. (I’m not trying to push the elec just presenting info). One thing I did to help with counter space is made a lightweight removable work area for the left of the sink that sets over the cup holders. I should take some pics sometime and share with all. We’re currently on the boat and in the San Juan’s So not easy to do.

We choose a white hull mainly due to the heat factor. Our 695 was blue. On a sunny day the inside areas of the hull would get hot to the touch. Our 895 is white and even in the sun the inside hull areas stay cool. I was shocked at the difference. Bottom line is a blue hull results in a warmer boat. But they sure are beautiful.

I considered A bow thruster mandatory. Some seasoned boaters might laugh at that. But a breeze or current can quickly swing the bow around.

For our boating in the NW areas I consider radar mandatory. We’ve been out in fog and poor visibility and at night too. Without radar I would have had to stay put. I also sometimes use it if there is a lot of boat traffic on an area as it’s a good awareness tool. Sometimes I see boats on it before visually. Especially in rough water. AIS is also good for this.

We ordered out boat without electronics and except for the fusion radio. I even had the factory not install the Yamaha engine gage. This was to be sure I had enough room to install the 12” chart plotter and also room for autopilot control.

Capt’n lynn


Hey Lynn, thanks for the comprehensive reply.  Glad to hear you're out on the water!  

You may have sold me on the electric stove.  I hadn't thought about the moisture issue.  We never used the stove on my Searay.  Instead, we had a couple of plugin skillets and just used those.  Propane is standard and therefore knocks a few bucks off, but if I'm planning to cook, it may be better to go electric for the reasons you mentioned.

We are ordering a white boat with a bow thruster.  My Searay had bow and stern thrusters, and while I hardly used them, it was great to have them on the couple occasions where I did.  I love the blue hull, but it definitely will make the boat warmer inside.  

I was happy to read about your approach on the electronics.  This is exactly what we're planning to do.  Bottom line is I can get a full electronics package (and choose exactly what components I want) for about the same money, perhaps less, than going with the upgraded electronics installed at the factory.  We were basically going to get the Fusion radio and then add our own MFD and VHS.  Regarding your decision to forego the Yamaha engine gage, are you getting that engine data from your GPS/MFD?  I know that can be done, so I'm guessing that's what you did?  

Regarding radar, we had it on the last boat.  Once again, for the money I'd be spending on the upgraded factory installation, I can get radar and still keep the price in the 7k range, all-in.  We may skip the autopilot at the moment, and instead have the local installer add a few more 110v outlets and also add some TVs in both the galley area and master stateroom.  I may have him tie the galley TV into the stereo so we can hear the TV through the stereo speakers.  We're also planning to have him tie the MFD into the TV via HDMI cable in order to put the chartplotter up on the TV screen inside the salon.

We are going to see the boat next Saturday.  It's a boat that my local dealer has already sold, but the owner of that 895 has agreed to bring his boat to next week's "Demo Day" so I can have a look and take a sea trial.  Boaters are such a wonderfully unique, awesome group of folks :-)

Thanks again for the information.  

[lynnardm]

Marbelliana

On the Yamaha engine gage... what I meant was that they did not install the gage at the factory. The guys from Sundance installed it locally along with the engine install and other commissioning. I provided the Raymarine 12” chart plotter and an installation layout and template for a Raymarine autopilot. With this sundance then installed the chart plotter and the Yamaha gage while leaving room in this same overall flat area for the autopilot controller. THere is just enough room for all 3 if placed correctly. I hope to install the autopilot this winter or spring.

Capt’n Lynn