Jeanneau NC 895 - please start new subject specific threads

[lynnardm]

Mar 19, 2020 4:08:28 GMT westboating said:

Mar 5, 2020 13:46:34 GMT mikenewport said:

Hi all, I am new member, Mike at Newport Beach CA. I am in the process of buying my 1st boat, 2020 NC895, and have some questions about buying boat. 1. Pros and Cons for 150 vs 200 engines for most low speed cruising? 2. There are a few additional items, freight for $7500, commission $3000, and bottom paint $2400 for salt water are they normal? Particularly, why additional bottom paint? 3. Can I ask for discount? If yes, what’s reasonable or practical?% to ask. Thank you for your help in advance.

Mike,

     I recommend the twin 200s.  I ran into a great guy this summer cruising to Victoria BC.  Our boats looked identical other than the 150s he was sporting.  I'll caveat this with the statement, he and his wife had this boat well decked out, and maybe a bit heavier than average, but he was not pleased with the performance.  I have the twin 200s and we live around 1.55 KNM/gal.  This captain claimed to be lucky to get 1.25 at the optimum planning speed which happens for us at around 24 Kts. 

I'm a bit weight conscious as I want to be able to tow this boat once or twice a year with a lighter truck.  So I ordered my boat with the single 300.  Due to delivery delays and the dealers limited interest in installing the single (as the factory only wanted to build twins) I elected to take a twin 200 boat, and I'm very glad we did.  Capt Lynn did so great work and prop research to get the most out of his 300, but you'd be pushing the same power with more engine weight and more drag in the water from the lower units of two outboards.

As for weights, I've weighed her several times and she's a bit heavier than they say to the order 9,700 lbs or so, and that's without a generator or AC.

It's the most boat you can get under 30 ft.

Good luck,

West 

West

I remember seeing the info from The member disappointed in his twin 150 mpg. This puzzled me at the time and still does. I can’t help but wonder what’s going on with his engine, prop Or boat setup. The 150’s are tuned for best performance at cruise rpm, so again, I’d expect them to have comparable mpg. But I don’t have data to support this.

In your 9700 lb weight quoted, is that with full
Fuel, water, supplies, etc?

Captn lynn

[Capt’n Ron]

I’ll jump in on this one. Performance is pretty subjective, and unless you have comparable data of what you are looking for in performance it’s tough to say one over the other; hole shot, speed, fuel efficiency, maintenance, etc. I’m in the camp (unless your budget says otherwise) you should power up to the max approved (400HP for the 895), then you don’t have to wonder if you underpowered your boat. I’ve said it before, I think the 795 and 895 are underpowered for my performance considerations with the Yamaha 200’s. For example, the 2020 795’s are now certified up to 225 HP, and I would guess in the near future you will see the 895 certified for higher HP as well. Jeanneau is just catching up with what the North America market wants, which is typically the option for more power. Look at their Leader line of similar size boats, they all are certified higher HP. I also believe while Yamaha was a good choice 4 years ago, much of the industry has surpassed the the light, fuel efficient 4 cylinder outboard with lighter, more torque, quieter, and more fuel efficient V6 outboard, for example the Mercury 200 FourStroke and other models.

You should also think about resale. You wouldn’t want a perspective buyer wondering if they would be happy with the performance of the boat given most all other boats they are looking at have more HP.

I was about to purchase a new 895 last month and configured it to be powered by two Mercury 200’s, but I couldn’t come to an acceptable agreement with the dealer so I passed. Might consider the Beneteau Antares 27 which is standard powered by twin Merc 200’s. 😉

Cheers,
Capt’n Ron

[lynnardm]

Capt’n Ron

I think I can up the challenge for the best 895 engine(s) over both the Yamahas and the Mercs. That engine is the soon to be available COX CXO 300. It will be lighter than the twins. It will be safer than a gas engine. It will likely be as fast as the twins. That due to the 475 foot lbs of torque. And it will be considerably more Fuel Efficient than any of the gas engines at any speed including the Yamaha 300
At hull Speeds. It should be reliable But that will need to be Proven. Only one thing, bring lots of Money to the table.

Capt’n Lynn

[Al]

I have an 895 with twin 200s and feel it’s well-powered. Before purchasing the 895 I tried a 795 with twin 150s and felt strongly that it was under-powered. 

[dogbreath]

Mar 20, 2020 21:41:32 GMT Capt’n Ron said:

…..I’m in the camp (unless your budget says otherwise) you should power up to the max approved (400HP for the 895), then you don’t have to wonder if you underpowered your boat. I’ve said it before, I think the 795 and 895 are underpowered for my performance considerations with the Yamaha 200’s. …….Capt’n Ron

We have owned our nc 895 since 2017. Given the certificate limitation, the twin 200s should be the preferred option for the NC 895 for most. I personally like the redundancy of twins. The performance of the boat with the twin 200s is acceptable, but to me, I would still prefer a little more power. Little more power to get up on plane quicker, even with a load, and with the engines working a little less to maintain cruising speeds, especially in turns. Dogbreath

[westboating]

Capt Lynn,

     Sorry for the delay, I've been teaching elementary school for the last two weeks, as both kids are home full time.

To answer your question, the boat was as dry as I could make it, so not water, very little, gas, etc.  I still had my basic personal items.  We towed her with the F150, so we unloaded what we could and we were right at the upper limit of the certified towing capacity of the 2015 F150 with all the max towing options and a load distributing hitch.  Once we got the load properly situated it handled well.  The biggest concern was the load width, but to your point she's way heavier than the factory said even after you subtract all the gear, anchor, anchor chain, etc.  I came up with about 1700-1800 lbs of 'wheres that from' weight between my gear and the factory weight.

[lynnardm]

West,

I imagine teaching is a challenge but even more so with kids at home.  Hopefully you are maintaining your sanity.

Wow, you figure the 895 is approx 1750 pounds heavier than documented by Jeanneau!  Hard to believe!  Jeanneau has some explaining to do.  Hmm.  Perhaps if Jeanneau considers their published weight to be the basic stripped hull this could be accounted for as follows.  I'm just contemplating here...

895 build heaver than Europe build   +100 lbs
895 offshore heavier than standard boat   + 200 lbs
Ballast installed in the boats     +250 lbs
Table, seats, galley cabinet/stove/sink, head cabinet and sink, cushions  +300 lbs
Water heater and tank, furnace, toilet and tank, misc plumbing and elec throughout the boat  +300 lbs
fuel tanks and system components +150 lbs
Swim steps  +150 lbs
Anchor system and controls   +50 lbs

The above guessing comes up to 1500 lbs.  So that's getting close to 1750.  Does anyone have a connection with Jeanneau leadership?  It sure would be good to get to the bottom of the weight issue.  If they are building boats and publishing incorrect weights of those boats there is a potentially serious liability here.

Captn Lynn

[dwp]

9700 dry weight is within 200 pounds of my experience of 10700 fully loaded. The gas, water and diesel completely topped off would come in around 1200 pounds.  I probably was very close to topped off when I hit the scales. 

dwp

[MalcolmP]

This NC 895 thread has been wonderful and contains a lot of valuable information, plus lots of welcomes and introductions by new and prospective NC 895 owners.

However its success has also resulted in it becoming rather long and unwieldy, requiring a lot of trawling back and forth to find specific information.

So going forward please avoid replying to this thread but rather start a new thread that also has something specific mentioned in the title as well as NC 895.

Also remember to use the search function, which can often find a wealth of additional information, in the example below, simply searching on 895 and Yamaha as an example shows up information about the sister Merry Fisher 895 (as the NC is known in Europe)



jeanneau.proboards.com/search/results?captcha_id=captcha_search&what_all=895+Yamaha&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=0&search=Search