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Post by jcnyb on Jul 3, 2018 15:14:12 GMT
How about a new Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 410 then? We've just seen it in the factory and it is very very nice, a top job from the guys at Jeanneau, I have photos/videos that I'm under strict instructions to not dare posting until Jeanneau green light it but in the meantime have the CGI's and so wanted to ask the opinions of the forum and happy to field any questions anyone has? She's broadly off the same design ideals as the SO490 & SO440, same inclined side decks, offset cockpit, large open living space below, large owners cabin forward and u-shaped galley. Some nice changes - additional storage below decks, a chaise longe style sofa, a negative inclined bow and of course a lower price point For sure it's not going to be for everyone but whats the general thoughts on it? Will it work for the 40ft cruising market, is there something you'd like to have seen instead or done differently?
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Post by puravida35 on Jul 3, 2018 16:45:01 GMT
Not sure if it’s an artifact of the CGI tool... but it seems to have a lot of spreaders.
Helm doesn’t have much of a seat... but maybe that will be tweaked in final design.
Overall, a pretty boat, has many nice features.
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Post by jcnyb on Jul 4, 2018 8:54:32 GMT
Not sure if it’s an artifact of the CGI tool... but it seems to have a lot of spreaders. Helm doesn’t have much of a seat... but maybe that will be tweaked in final design. Yes, I agree with that - we only saw it with the mast off so will have to wait until the marketing promo-photos are released to tell us more about this. I would guess that they might have added an additional set of spreaders to allow them to route the standing rigging in a way that keeps the side decks relatively clear of wires, same as the 440/490...... The helm seat is a good highlight though, it is better than it perhaps looks in that rendering and definitely gives you enough space to perch on the wheel but for sure less than the previous 419 model in part in order I guess to allow for the walkway and standing area. That top down image though with those decks looks superb and really highlights the advantage of the inclined sides I think
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 4, 2018 9:58:07 GMT
Many thanks for the early heads up, looks good to me, I was impressed with the 440 when I sneaked an early sail.
Difficult to see the galley saloon layout in image, hope that galley does not take up all the space, we never liked the linear galley on our 34.2
Do you know the official overall length, hopefully it is just under 12m as it makes a big difference on mooring costs esp here in Med as even if just over you are placed in the 15m price band
Any idea of ball park sailaway price?
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Post by jcnyb on Jul 4, 2018 11:55:56 GMT
Yes she hopefully will sail well like the others newbies - I was on the SO490 a week or two ago and it was pulling like a train, about 15-18knots of wind close hauled was pulling a happy 9 knots for no effort on our part, really comfy ride as well, no slamming whatsoever, no drenched decks - I was really impressed by her. The galley I guess will be down to individual feelings, its the same layout as the 440 but they've squeezed some extra storage forward of it in that cupboard and some extra under the chaise longe style seat also...it didn't strike me as too big when I was aboard but you know how it is. I was probably to focused in on the little details rather than considering the galley - hopefully we'll get a feel for this at Southampton when we find 20 people on it for a look all at once!! So the question of length - the hull length (and therefore the length printed on your Builders Certificate and Registry Documents) will be 11.99 exactly. However, the LOA will be longer than this once you account for the bowsprit etc....so it depends how fussy the marina manager is going to be, if they bring a tape you'll be in trouble but if they accept the doc's you'll be fine - they (and the other builders) did the same thing I think with the 419/41DS, Oceanis 41 etc...
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 7, 2018 15:31:43 GMT
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Post by zaphod on Jul 16, 2018 18:06:18 GMT
I was looking at the new generation Jeanneaus at the broker last week. The inclined side decks aft look odd, but they do seem to function well. Viewing the boat bow-on they look very tubby, and kind of ugly to my eye. The broker insists they are quick, but I can't help but wonder how the boats will handle sailing into big seas with the beam carried so far forward.
I definitely prefer the styling of the 379 and 409 better.
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 16, 2018 18:34:29 GMT
I was looking at the new generation Jeanneaus at the broker last week. The inclined side decks aft look odd, but they do seem to function well. Viewing the boat bow-on they look very tubby, and kind of ugly to my eye. The broker insists they are quick, but I can't help but wonder how the boats will handle sailing into big seas with the beam carried so far forward. I definitely prefer the styling of the 379 and 409 better. I agree that the acsethics are different, but they do seem to sail well I was lucky to try the 440 and it goes well. The bow is more like a scow section, quite flat entry so could be noisy and slam in short steep seas. The cockpit to side deck walkway is extraordinarily good and practical, but you do have to remember not to climb over the seats, it is an awkward and surprisingly big step down.. Overall I think the design is a big advance, low gooseneck height, twin ruddets, traditional drive shaft. If we were on the market for a replacement for our 39i would be very tempted to go for the 410.
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 16, 2018 18:35:33 GMT
I was looking at the new generation Jeanneaus at the broker last week. The inclined side decks aft look odd, but they do seem to function well. Viewing the boat bow-on they look very tubby, and kind of ugly to my eye. The broker insists they are quick, but I can't help but wonder how the boats will handle sailing into big seas with the beam carried so far forward. I definitely prefer the styling of the 379 and 409 better. I agree that the acsethics are different, but they do seem to sail well I was lucky to try the 440 and it goes well. The bow is more like a scow section, quite flat entry so could be noisy and slam in short steep seas. The cockpit to side deck walkway is extraordinarily good and practical, but you do have to remember not to climb over the seats, it is an awkward and surprisingly big step down.. Overall I think the design is a big advance, low gooseneck height, twin ruddets, traditional drive shaft. If we were on the market for a replacement for our 39i would be very tempted to go for the 410.
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Post by zaphod on Jul 16, 2018 20:34:45 GMT
I was looking at the new generation Jeanneaus at the broker last week. The inclined side decks aft look odd, but they do seem to function well. Viewing the boat bow-on they look very tubby, and kind of ugly to my eye. The broker insists they are quick, but I can't help but wonder how the boats will handle sailing into big seas with the beam carried so far forward. I definitely prefer the styling of the 379 and 409 better. I agree that the acsethics are different, but they do seem to sail well I was lucky to try the 440 and it goes well. The bow is more like a scow section, quite flat entry so could be noisy and slam in short steep seas. The cockpit to side deck walkway is extraordinarily good and practical, but you do have to remember not to climb over the seats, it is an awkward and surprisingly big step down.. Overall I think the design is a big advance, low gooseneck height, twin ruddets, traditional drive shaft. If we were on the market for a replacement for our 39i would be very tempted to go for the 410. Indeed! The fact that you can compare a sailboat design to that of a scow, that is not a good thing! I'll take your 39i thanks!
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Post by puravida35 on Jul 16, 2018 21:43:21 GMT
Nothing wrong with being compared to a scow. Fun, fast boats. But yes, noisey bow if sailed too flat. Miss my old M-scow.
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Post by MalcolmP on Aug 17, 2018 6:58:02 GMT
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Post by moonshadow on Aug 17, 2018 11:45:00 GMT
I must first admit to a strong bias toward the SO series. And I have never like the looks of the DS models. But when I did tour the new 440 I was able to see some of the nice updates. The walkway is nice, but it does remove some seating area at the helms. Two rudders should help the annoying prop wash that my boat has over the single rudder when motoring. The below deck is roomy, but it seems at a cost to storage areas? The dealers all claim it is faster than the SOs and that never hurts. It seems that some of these designs are being optimized to almost create a feel similar to the growing crowd of multihulls. I’m looking forward to owner reports when they are available.
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Post by nyodyssey410 on Oct 18, 2018 19:19:50 GMT
Hey Guys
We are new Jeanneau owners and forum members. We just ordered a new 410 fully loaded and can't wait to get it!!
We are moving from a 331 Benneteau
Nice to meet all of you
Joe C
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Post by MalcolmP on Oct 18, 2018 22:05:35 GMT
Looks a great boat, enjoy
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Post by jdl01 on Oct 18, 2018 23:06:40 GMT
I've sailed the 440 for a few hours in light air and found a couple of design choices to be annoying. Sheets for flying sails or code 0's come right across the sloping side deck access at knee height, creating a great tripping hazard. I like the lowered gooseneck at the mast, but with the selected boom vang in place one cannot lower the boom anywhere near to parallel with the deck. The boom outer end is not accessible and hence only really works well with a furling mainsail. One cannot reach to flake a conventional main. These features are unfortunately carried over on the 410.
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Post by MartyB on Oct 19, 2018 3:39:33 GMT
The new design is NOT ment to have a boom that is level. It is supposed to go upward from front to back per a number of folks at a rendezvous last summer. This is so one can put a dodger/bimimi and NOT lose this triangle of sail area like in the past! For those of us that like normal mainsails, this option does not look good! Nor if we want a dodger or bimini, also a bad option!
I for one, do not like the floor plan of the new 410. Not that I can afford one, I would not buy one! I would go with the 409/419, better yet a 39iP if I could find a boat in the 40' range. The older SO 40 might work too. Not too enameler with the head in the shower compartment of the older, and now newest models! That is a BIG turnoff for me any how!
Sailing performance in general, also appears to be going downhill. The P models seem to have maybe the sail area of the older SO models, nothing like the SF 32/35/37/40 models of yore!
My 02!
marty
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Post by jcnyb on Oct 19, 2018 8:33:10 GMT
Hey Guys We are new Jeanneau owners and forum members. We just ordered a new 410 fully loaded and can't wait to get it!! We are moving from a 331 Benneteau Nice to meet all of you Joe C Hi Guys, Well done, welcome to the forum. She's a great boat and from having sailed her in trials I'm absolutely sure you'll find her really enjoyable to sail. There's always a lot of debate around different features on any new models (as with anything thats not the status quo), some people will like them and some won't. Theres certainly no single perfect solution for everyone otherwise all the builders would make the same boat and we'd all get very bored. It is what works for you, and what you yourselves find important in a boat that matters, I'm sure you'll have considered it at length and will have come to the conclusion that the 410 is the best for your needs, she is a fun and comfortable boat to sail. The forum here is a great and free resource with a lot of knowledge between its members who are more than happy to help. Keep us posted - perhaps a build or delivery blog if you get time? I'm sure everyone would take a lot of interest in it. Whereabouts do you plan to sail her? Welcome again!
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Post by nyodyssey410 on Oct 19, 2018 15:40:05 GMT
Thanks
I will certainly keep you posted on our progress. This is our first new boat since 1990. we ordered ours with the larger engine, Generator, Bow Thruster, self tacking jib, Code 0 and a furling main
I think we are going to add electric winches since we have time. We will not see this boat until late summer.
We plan to visit the Miami show just to see what the boat looks like again
Have a great one
Joe C
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Post by j24sailor on Oct 20, 2018 4:34:41 GMT
I was on the 440 in the spring and very neat concept. Our biggest worry was the freeboard when docking side on. Getting off to tie lines might be an issue.
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Post by MalcolmP on Oct 20, 2018 6:18:03 GMT
I was on the 440 in the spring and very neat concept. Our biggest worry was the freeboard when docking side on. Getting off to tie lines might be an issue. That's why I developed the Fender2step 😀😀
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Post by nyodyssey410 on Oct 20, 2018 18:01:34 GMT
We are at a mooring for whatever is left of the season after delivery. May go back to slip in 2020 so we could run the freezer and fridge.
We are both a wee nervous about docking. Our current setup does not require else to jump off
We use the docking stick as we come in to spring and the boot loop to hold us while we get off to tie up
Btw, we are sailing on Long Island sound
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Post by j24sailor on Oct 21, 2018 1:31:31 GMT
I was on the 440 in the spring and very neat concept. Our biggest worry was the freeboard when docking side on. Getting off to tie lines might be an issue. That's why I developed the Fender2step 😀😀 That is your idea! Thanks. Found I could purchase it through the binnacle in Canada thanks. James
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Post by srah1953 on Nov 12, 2018 13:20:14 GMT
I must first admit to a strong bias toward the SO series. And I have never like the looks of the DS models. But when I did tour the new 440 I was able to see some of the nice updates. The walkway is nice, but it does remove some seating area at the helms. Two rudders should help the annoying prop wash that my boat has over the single rudder when motoring. The below deck is roomy, but it seems at a cost to storage areas? The dealers all claim it is faster than the SOs and that never hurts. It seems that some of these designs are being optimized to almost create a feel similar to the growing crowd of multihulls. I’m looking forward to owner reports when they are available. "Annoying prop wash over the single rudder", can you explain please? I thought the great advantage of prop wash over rudder was that it helped in mooring manoeuvres. The big disadvantage to me of the twin rudders is that with the prop so far back there is no prop wash effect to help in manoeuvring. From this point of view (only) a saildrive would have been better as being much further forward there would be some prop wash effect, although less than with a single rudder. While I'm writing, I'm assuming that one (big?) disadvantage of the fancy side decks is that the side cockpit locker space is significantly reduced.
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Post by rc sail on Nov 12, 2018 16:11:55 GMT
Joe C... congratulations on your new 410. As you get familiar with your bow thruster I expect docking will become mostly worry free for you. We have a 44 and stern in on our dock. Makes getting on/off easy with no fighting a high side deck. Is your 410 being produced in So. Carolina? If so, and you have travel opportunity, see if your Dealer can arrange a tour of the Group Beneteau plant in Marion S.C. Even better if you can tour during the production of your boat.
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