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Post by pjkotze on Jun 4, 2020 11:40:33 GMT
Hi Everyone!
My family and I are all avid sailors and bareboat charterers and have decided that it's time we buy our own yacht to sail around the coast of South Africa where we live.
Typically we'll be doing 2 to 3 day missions on the West and South Coast as we have limited harbors and anchorages in SA unfortunately and the sailing can be pretty wild, but we'd also like to do a Cape to Rio race in the next two years and possibly go further afield (or at least have the option of doing so.)
I've come across a beautiful Deep Keel 2 Cabin Jeanneau 379 (2012 version) for sale for a good price and I wanted to find out if any 379 owners have done any big ocean crossings in their boats? I'm well aware that the boat sails very well and is a comfortable ride but I'd be very curious to hear the experiences of anyone who has done some serious sailing in one of these boats.
I know that almost any vessel is capable of an ocean crossing in the right hands but I'm more interested in whether the layout, space and performance of these boats makes them qualified in your eyes to do some big crossings and whether any of you have taken your 379's further afield?
Thanks in advance! PJ
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Post by jy51 on Jun 8, 2020 12:21:00 GMT
Hi Everyone! My family and I are all avid sailors and bareboat charterers and have decided that it's time we buy our own yacht to sail around the coast of South Africa where we live. Typically we'll be doing 2 to 3 day missions on the West and South Coast as we have limited harbors and anchorages in SA unfortunately and the sailing can be pretty wild, but we'd also like to do a Cape to Rio race in the next two years and possibly go further afield (or at least have the option of doing so.) I've come across a beautiful Deep Keel 2 Cabin Jeanneau 379 (2012 version) for sale for a good price and I wanted to find out if any 379 owners have done any big ocean crossings in their boats? I'm well aware that the boat sails very well and is a comfortable ride but I'd be very curious to hear the experiences of anyone who has done some serious sailing in one of these boats. I know that almost any vessel is capable of an ocean crossing in the right hands but I'm more interested in whether the layout, space and performance of these boats makes them qualified in your eyes to do some big crossings and whether any of you have taken your 379's further afield? Thanks in advance! PJ I don't own, or have never sailed on a Jeanneau 379, but I think you have answered your own question, any Jeanneau is capable of extended offshore sailing. If the interior layout, and sail handling configuration is to your liking then the only criteria would be the condition of the yacht and the capability of the crew.
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Post by JEF on Jun 8, 2020 13:22:14 GMT
I have owned a SO379 wing keel 1.6 and covered bigger passages like 3 months round UK & Ireland.
Agree with jy51 .... Down to condition of the yacht and the capability of its crew.
One comment I can make from own experience is .. This yacht can take safely a lot more than I can.
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Post by jdl01 on Jun 8, 2020 16:10:59 GMT
I have only run our 379 in the open ocean on 100 mile runs a couple of times. Like any other light, flat bottomed, narrow keel boat, it will pound in oncoming seas. Another given is that you will get thrown around a bit. Good handholds are vital and the stock 379 needs some upgrades. In the cockpit, you need a good centreline handhold between the two steering stations. We installed a hoop over top of the instrument pod, anchored to the table, and it gets lots of use. Below deck, a pole from the sink counter to the underside of the deck, mounted inboard of the sink, will also be helpful while executing a number of tasks.
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Post by pjkotze on Jun 8, 2020 16:23:05 GMT
Hi Everyone! My family and I are all avid sailors and bareboat charterers and have decided that it's time we buy our own yacht to sail around the coast of South Africa where we live. Typically we'll be doing 2 to 3 day missions on the West and South Coast as we have limited harbors and anchorages in SA unfortunately and the sailing can be pretty wild, but we'd also like to do a Cape to Rio race in the next two years and possibly go further afield (or at least have the option of doing so.) I've come across a beautiful Deep Keel 2 Cabin Jeanneau 379 (2012 version) for sale for a good price and I wanted to find out if any 379 owners have done any big ocean crossings in their boats? I'm well aware that the boat sails very well and is a comfortable ride but I'd be very curious to hear the experiences of anyone who has done some serious sailing in one of these boats. I know that almost any vessel is capable of an ocean crossing in the right hands but I'm more interested in whether the layout, space and performance of these boats makes them qualified in your eyes to do some big crossings and whether any of you have taken your 379's further afield? Thanks in advance! PJ I don't own, or have never sailed on a Jeanneau 379, but I think you have answered your own question, any Jeanneau is capable of extended offshore sailing. If the interior layout, and sail handling configuration is to your liking then the only criteria would be the condition of the yacht and the capability of the crew. Thank you for your reply and insights - much appreciated!
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Post by pjkotze on Jun 8, 2020 16:24:49 GMT
I have owned a SO379 wing keel 1.6 and covered bigger passages like 3 months round UK & Ireland. Agree with jy51 .... Down to condition of the yacht and the capability of its crew. One comment I can make from own experience is .. This yacht can take safely a lot more than I can. Thanks Jef! This is just what I like to hear! I think the important thing for me is just the upgrades we'd need to do to the boat to make her bluewater capable / comfortable such as power and water solutions.
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Post by pjkotze on Jun 8, 2020 16:28:17 GMT
I have only run our 379 in the open ocean on 100 mile runs a couple of times. Like any other light, flat bottomed, narrow keel boat, it will pound in oncoming seas. Another given is that you will get thrown around a bit. Good handholds are vital and the stock 379 needs some upgrades. In the cockpit, you need a good centreline handhold between the two steering stations. We installed a hoop over top of the instrument pod, anchored to the table, and it gets lots of use. Below deck, a pole from the sink counter to the underside of the deck, mounted inboard of the sink, will also be helpful while executing a number of tasks. Thanks so much! This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. Have you added any extra additions to the boat such as solar or wind power alternatives? I think my only main concern about the 379 at this point is having enough space to add additional batteries, water, fuel and power solutions with the existing space. I have seen a boat online that seems to have managed pretty well with wind and solar though, so I know it is possible but always best to hear how experienced owners problem solve on their boats. Thank you for your insights!
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Post by jdl01 on Jun 9, 2020 15:42:46 GMT
We have a pretty basic electrical system - 3, 100amp AGM house batteries supported by a 120 watt solar panel, located on the dodger top, and a 110 amp alternator with a smart regulator. Fridge management is the big issue in keeping your batteries in good shape. We have an insulating mat on the fridge counter and keep the operating setting at a modest level. Other offshore requirements are a very strong dodger with handholds on the sides and along the back edge. Also you will need leecloths in the main cabin for the two sleeping benches.
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Post by element on Jun 9, 2020 17:22:16 GMT
We own since a few months a 39i Performance and I am in the process of upgrading her/preparing for an Atlantic Crossing over a few years. I may generate a separate thread about the work I have done so far. A 39i is a bit older design and bigger than a 379 but roughly comparable with a 379. So very nice and interesting to share experiences! By the way, I noticed that a 39i completed last year's ARC. Regarding power management, I have installed now 500 watt solar. 60 watts on the sprayhood and 4x110 watts on panels at the side. This can be rotated to catch the most sun. I think this should be enough, but I might install some flexible panels on the bimini as soon as this one is installed. Especially because there is a big chance that some panels will be in the shade. I think more important will be more battery capacity. I have also 3x110Ah. Stil doubting to add more lead acids or bite the bullit and migrate to lithium. On my to-do list is definitely to mount some handholds inside. But I'd like to sail first a few times in choppy water to figure out the right location. Some of the other thing I already have done is upgrading the anchor equipment and installed a removable inner forestay with a heavy weather working jib and storm jib.
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Post by pjkotze on Jun 11, 2020 9:56:19 GMT
We have a pretty basic electrical system - 3, 100amp AGM house batteries supported by a 120 watt solar panel, located on the dodger top, and a 110 amp alternator with a smart regulator. Fridge management is the big issue in keeping your batteries in good shape. We have an insulating mat on the fridge counter and keep the operating setting at a modest level. Other offshore requirements are a very strong dodger with handholds on the sides and along the back edge. Also you will need leecloths in the main cabin for the two sleeping benches. Thank you! This sounds like a nice and simple solution. Where did you install the 3rd house battery? Is there enough space to add one to the existing bank or did you need to make adjustments? The strong dodger and lee cloths are something we'll definitely add! If you could share some images of your lee cloth solution it would be fantastic. Many thanks! PJ
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Post by pjkotze on Jun 11, 2020 10:00:18 GMT
We own since a few month a 39i Performance and I am in the process of upgrading her/preparing for an Atlantic Crossing over a few years. I may generate a separate thread about the work I have done so far. A 39i is a bit older design and bigger than a 379 but roughly comparable with a 379. So very nice and interesting to share experiences! By the way, I noticed that a 39i completed last year's ARC. Regarding power management, I have installed now 500 watt solar. 60 watts on the sprayhood and 4x110 watts on panels at the side. This can be rotated to catch the most sun. I think this should be enough, but I might install some flexible panels on the bimini as soon as this one is installed. Especially because there is a big chance that some panels will be in the shade. I think more important will be more battery capacity. I have also 3x110Ah. Stil doubting to add more lead acids or bite the bullit and migrate to lithium. On my to-do list is definitely to mount some handholds inside. But I'd like to sail first a few times in choppy water to figure out the right location. Some of the other thing I already have done is upgrading the anchor equipment and installed a removable inner forestay with a heavy weather working jib and storm jib. Thank you for your comprehensive reply, element - much appreciated! I like your solar solution as this is something I've considered regarding the fold down panels on the side. Have you not had any damage from waves? The extra inner forestay seems like a must-do in order to add a storm jib solution. Was it difficult to install? Have you added any water making solutions to your yacht? This is something I keep thinking about. I must say, I'm quite taken with the Rainman portable solution... Thank you again! PJ
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Post by MalcolmP on Jun 11, 2020 13:25:11 GMT
We own since a few month a 39i Performance and I am in the process of upgrading her/preparing for an Atlantic Crossing over a few years. I may generate a separate thread about the work I have done so far. I for one would be very interested to see more detail of your project list. In case you have not seen it there is an informative blog regarding a 39i that was sailed from France via the Atlantic and Pacific to Australia. www.sailblogs.com/member/fandango/
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Post by element on Jun 11, 2020 17:37:49 GMT
We own since a few month a 39i Performance and I am in the process of upgrading her/preparing for an Atlantic Crossing over a few years. I may generate a separate thread about the work I have done so far..... The extra inner forestay seems like a must-do in order to add a storm jib solution. Was it difficult to install? Have you added any water making solutions to your yacht? This is something I keep thinking about. I must say, I'm quite taken with the Rainman portable solution... Thank you again! PJ Hi PJ, In this tread you can find a description of the inner forestay: click
And I am indeed planning installing a water maker. I have already bought a Schenker Zen, but still have to install it. One of the many things on the to-do list..... Cheers, Harald
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Post by moonshadow on Jun 11, 2020 18:38:10 GMT
I like my rainman Watermaker for long trips. I take it home when not going to be needed for a while. Very simple to use. My biggest improvement in electrical supply was battery upgrades for better capacity and charge. I chose firefly batteries. In my case 5x 116 amp hour G31s. But a bigger boat. 450 watts of solar keeps them charged.
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Post by apo on Jun 12, 2020 13:30:22 GMT
We have had our 379 for five years and have done some extended trips, including 35knts plus and long rolling big waves. All good. We also added a hoop attached to the back of the table which has been invaluable. Would agree with jdl01 that some extra hand holds below, like the pole suggested, would be good. The cabin floor can be slippery and either some non slip or some very good non slip shoes are essential.
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Post by pjkotze on Jun 15, 2020 10:10:24 GMT
I like my rainman Watermaker for long trips. I take it home when not going to be needed for a while. Very simple to use. My biggest improvement in electrical supply was battery upgrades for better capacity and charge. I chose firefly batteries. In my case 5x 116 amp hour G31s. But a bigger boat. 450 watts of solar keeps them charged. Thank you Moonshadow! I wonder how many batteries I'll be able to add onto the existing 2-battery bank... I think 4 would be the magic number for us in the house bank. Do you have rigid or flexible solar panels?
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Post by pjkotze on Jun 15, 2020 10:12:05 GMT
We have had our 379 for five years and have done some extended trips, including 35knts plus and long rolling big waves. All good. We also added a hoop attached to the back of the table which has been invaluable. Would agree with jdl01 that some extra hand holds below, like the pole suggested, would be good. The cabin floor can be slippery and either some non slip or some very good non slip shoes are essential. Hi Apo, thank you for your input and the image! What sort of power setup do you have on your 379? How many batteries in your house bank? Solar? Wind? It would be great to hear what sort of setup you're running. Thank you! PJ
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Post by pjkotze on Jun 15, 2020 10:19:10 GMT
The extra inner forestay seems like a must-do in order to add a storm jib solution. Was it difficult to install? Have you added any water making solutions to your yacht? This is something I keep thinking about. I must say, I'm quite taken with the Rainman portable solution... Thank you again! PJ Hi PJ, In this tread you can find a description of the inner forestay: click
And I am indeed planning installing a water maker. I have already bought a Schenker Zen, but still have to install it. One of the many things on the to-do list..... Cheers, Harald Thanks for the link and comprehensive info Harald! Where are you looking at installing the water maker if I may ask? Are you doing the installation yourself?
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Post by moonshadow on Jun 15, 2020 11:35:32 GMT
My solar panels are flexible panels. I added a plastic sheet as a stiffener to the back of each panel. Zippers sewn directly onto the panels with the other zipper half added to Bimini. Rarely shaded so I hooked up in series. So far the panels do not seem to flex at all in the winds I have seen.
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Post by pjkotze on Jun 17, 2020 14:19:06 GMT
My solar panels are flexible panels. I added a plastic sheet as a stiffener to the back of each panel. Zippers sewn directly onto the panels with the other zipper half added to Bimini. Rarely shaded so I hooked up in series. So far the panels do not seem to flex at all in the winds I have seen. Thanks Moonshadow - that seems like the best solution according to many others I've come across online too. We're taking our prospective "new" 379 out for a test sail on Saturday and hopefully we'll be owners shortly thereafter if all goes well. I think we'll definitely look at the solar panels sewn into the bimini solution and possibly a wind generator too. I'm also looking at getting a small portable generator too as they aren't crazy expensive and seem like a nice idea as a backup. Exciting times!
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Post by stoko on Aug 1, 2020 6:58:18 GMT
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Post by shantiskipper on Aug 2, 2020 15:43:36 GMT
Hi PJ,
When I had my 379 I installed a Katadyn 40E watermaker. It only produces 1-1/2 gallons an hour, and though that sounds low, it's plenty. The system only draws 4 amps for the HP pump and 3 amps for the boost pump. This low amp draw allows you to run the system without a generator. I ran it during daylight hours when my solar panels were producing power. The reasons I chose this system are; 1: It is a very simple system! 2: As you know, watermakers need to be run every 3-5 days to avoid bacteria in the membrane so with the lower output I ran it every day or every other day while cruising and just pickled it (again very simple procedure) when not cruising. 3: The system is very compact and allowed me to install it in the small storage space under the settee at the forward end of the table. 4: As a performance sailor I'm always concerend about weight and this system saves weight compared to the others.
Other considerations and installation tips; --I had the product "manual fill/test" line long enough to reach the sink. This allowed for easy taste testing of the product water and filling of water jugs. Be sure to install a shut-off valve about 12" from the end of this line to avoid water dripping out the line while stowed. There was enough room in the storage space for a 2 gallon bucket which I stored this line, the pickling solution and..... --The brine reject line was an easy install to the head sink drain. Or you can install an above waterline thruhull near the unit in the starboard hull. --The new thru-hull was installed just forward of the keel which made for a very short hose run to the unit. --I highly recommend getting the "silt reduction kit" which comes with the boost pump. I know 4 others with this unit and we were all having performance issues until we installed the boost pump. --The location of my install is a sort run to the factory installed water system manifold for the product water tank-fill line
I carried a Honda generator while cruising to avoid running the engine in case the solar array was unable to keep with power demands due to clouds, the alternator went out or I wanted to make hot water in a hurry. I rarely used it.
I loved the 379 and found it was a very capable yacht whilst cruising the 3000 NM I did in it!
Daniel
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Post by adi287 on Feb 28, 2021 20:49:38 GMT
Hi! We're also planning to include Trans Atlantic crossings to our sailing trips so would very much appreciate your own experiences and tips on how to proceed with this! Maybe if we could get in touch to discuss your experiences further? Anyone who would like to connect feel free to message me - www.yachting.com/enTake care!
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Post by NZL50505 on Mar 1, 2021 3:54:44 GMT
Great question (and ambition)!
I wonder if another way to get a better sense of what would be necessary to make a 379 a sustainable BWC would be to:
1. Invite someone who owns a more traditional offshore cruiser to look over the 379 with you abs comment on what they would suggest to change based on their experience
2. Go see a BWC for yourself and study the differences. Not just the big obvious things but the smaller things that make a difference when trying to live underway fir days at a time eg do the cupboards and lockers have heel-proof latches that can withstand a load of heavy contents hitting the inside of the door under a gust of wind - I don’t know how many times I’ve heard (or watched) a cupboard load of stuff empty itself all over the saloon floor during a sprightly sail!
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Post by chuckr on Jun 20, 2021 18:33:38 GMT
My DS40 is just a touch bigger than yours. I think this is year 14 or 15 for me underway. I did a lot of upgrades on her in the beginning and continue them today to keep her as up to date as possible. And things do wear out.
But per your question -- she has maybe 60k nm on her. 2 Atlantic crossings. All the Black Sea, Almost all the Med. All the Caribbean and never an issue. She use to draft 4'11" i think but last time i put her on the ground was 5'3". As someone said above she take a lot more than i can. But as also above a lot depends on the crew and wisdom of the crew of when to go and when not to go.
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