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Post by psousa on Dec 20, 2015 22:20:40 GMT
Hi guys! This is a 1999 Jeanneau SO 34.2 I saw this weekend. I love this boat and I'd love to make an offer but I'm concerned about what I saw when pulled up floor plates... What do you think? In particularly about those rusted keel bolt plates? imgur.com/a/zYRDmTY Cheers |
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Post by vasko on Dec 20, 2015 22:49:47 GMT
I'm not expert but for 1999 boat looks not so bad... I'have 1990 Sun Liberty 34 very similar to 34.2 only little bit wider 3.5m and I love it and every single peace of genius engineering in it  |
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Post by sitara on Dec 20, 2015 22:59:52 GMT
Looks like an unloved boat to me. I agree with Vasco and think it is mainly cosmetic. However, I think it is essential to get a survey done by a reputable marine surveyor before you part with any cash. If there are underlying problems the cost of repair can be astronomical and should be allowed for in the purchase price.
Once all leaks are fixed these boats should essentially be dry on the inside and not have permanent water in the bilge.
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Post by neil44i on Dec 20, 2015 23:20:33 GMT
It's hard to tell if the dark stains are simply dirt running from a leak or perhaps some fluid from the engine or other origin. Were you able to smell it and touch it? Were you able to look and or feel under the engine to see if anything was leaking or coated with anything? The keel bolts look pretty good. Some ospho and a light touch up on the backing plates. I have seen them a lot worse and been told they were still sound.
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Post by vasko on Dec 21, 2015 0:55:37 GMT
Looks like an unloved boat to me. I agree with Vasco and think it is mainly cosmetic. However, I think it is essential to get a survey done by a reputable marine surveyor before you part with any cash. If there are underlying problems the cost of repair can be astronomical and should be allowed for in the purchase price. Once all leaks are fixed these boats should essentially be dry on the inside and not have permanent water in the bilge. some boats are designed to have permanent water in the bilges - like mine , e.g all water from the showers (I have two heads) is going in the forward part of the central bilge and gets pump out e.g there is always water there and in the back part of the central bilge all drops from the shaft seal, aircon or any other water is going and also there is some water there... buut my bolts and plates are well covered with think grp and epoxy... I actually like the design this way as it is convenient |
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Post by MickeyB on Dec 21, 2015 7:33:47 GMT
My 2000/2001 SO 34.2 is totally dry in the bilges (unless it rains - but that is another problem)!
But when we first bought her, she also had brown sticky stuff (oderless). My god did it stick though. I always presumed it came from the engine but no proof. Either way, serious amounts of cleaning produced a clean bilge and it stays that way.
The actual keel bolts do not look that bad to me (bar one picture which looked cracked??) but get a good surveyor.
As an aside, our shower tray goes straight out via a pump (never into the bilge) and the fridge goes through the sink pump out. I plan on the shower out going into the holding tank - but that is one of those distant to-do jobs.
I would love to upgrade to more feet, but I find it hard as I so so love the design and everything on the 342 - we have the owners version and it's just the two of us.
Mike
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 21, 2015 9:29:49 GMT
Jeanneau use a gel coat with wax additive known as "flowcoat" to paint out the bilges - this often can crack - especially on the hard turns such as over the keel boats and backing plates - since around mid 2000's they no longer glass over the bolts. A good clean up then applying more flowcoat would tidy everything up. More on flowcoat: www.cfsnet.co.uk/acatalog/methods_flowcoating.html |
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Post by Trevor on Dec 21, 2015 10:24:42 GMT
Hello psousa,
I'm not an expert either but for a yacht of that age I think it doesn't look too bad. I would definitely have that yacht surveyed and weigh up the results. If you buy the boat spend some time cleaning out under the floor boards so you can know if it reappears so you can track it down. It would be nice to cover the plates with some flowcoat after the rust is removed. Get it surveyed for peace of mind.
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Post by psousa on Dec 21, 2015 16:17:49 GMT
(...) keel bolts do not look that bad to me (bar one picture which looked cracked??) but get a good surveyor. (...) Not cracked but seems to have rust bellow the paint (flowcoat, as some of you named it): i.imgur.com/wtfjmki.jpgI think I'm concerned because I can't see rust extension and damage caused to the metal (because of the flowcoat). I thought this was covered by the owner to hide something but according to Trevor this is a Jeanneau practice in the old times. In fact, last week I saw another boat with bolts covered and it was also a Jeanneau SO (32.1 - not rusted, by the way, it seems like new, in fact, and it is a 1995 boat, very clean and well mantained when compared to this one). I'm not sure I can get an affordable yet serious and professional surveyor this side of the world (Spain), but I can try. As far as I know surveyors business is a common (therefore cheap) practice at US and UK. In other markets is more kind of a premium service for big deals (which envolves considerable money amounts). Not this one. Any way, I will check hull bottom (hull bottom grp condition, keel, rudder, propeller, shaft, thru-hull's etc). Boat hull must be cleaned up and anti-fouling applied. |
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 21, 2015 18:37:07 GMT
From the pics I don't think the level of rust showing on the keel "plates" which are effectively large washers should be of great concern. I used to have a 34.2 which had a similar issue, I cleaned off the old flowcoat where it was chipped and allowing water in - the plates were actually galvanised or cadmium plated. so rust was limited, quick anti-rust paint and more flowchart and job was done.
The 34.2 is of the age where jeanneau still used traditional lay-up methods, with stringers, and I think the hull should be pretty sound and well constructed. I agree with others best to have a reputable surveyor look at any boat before a major investment, but getting a reputable one may not be that easy, but they can save you money if they discover an issue before you agree a final price.
I cannot see evidence from these pics of anything of major concern , but if you do go ahead without a survey I would also really look at the hull to keel joint from the outside to see if there is any evidence of damage or repair - possibly due to grounding
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Post by vasko on Dec 21, 2015 21:16:52 GMT
(...) keel bolts do not look that bad to me (bar one picture which looked cracked??) but get a good surveyor. (...) Not cracked but seems to have rust bellow the paint (flowcoat, as some of you named it): i.imgur.com/wtfjmki.jpgI think I'm concerned because I can't see rust extension and damage caused to the metal (because of the flowcoat). I thought this was covered by the owner to hide something but according to Trevor this is a Jeanneau practice in the old times. In fact, last week I saw another boat with bolts covered and it was also a Jeanneau SO (32.1 - not rusted, by the way, it seems like new, in fact, and it is a 1995 boat, very clean and well mantained when compared to this one). I'm not sure I can get an affordable yet serious and professional surveyor this side of the world (Spain), but I can try. As far as I know surveyors business is a common (therefore cheap) practice at US and UK. In other markets is more kind of a premium service for big deals (which envolves considerable money amounts). Not this one. Any way, I will check hull bottom (hull bottom grp condition, keel, rudder, propeller, shaft, thru-hull's etc). Boat hull must be cleaned up and anti-fouling applied. In Alucante there is quite good one - a brit who moved to spain... |
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Post by so36idavid on Dec 23, 2015 5:13:08 GMT
Taking a different tack...
This boat has clearly not been well maintained. You could get to the bottom of the slimy stuff in the bilges and the rust and the corroded wires etc. But that may well be the tip of an iceberg. If the obviously visible parts of the boat look bad then there are probably worse demons lurking unseen.
I'm not saying don't buy the boat. If you love the boat and would be devastated if someone else got it then by all means survey it and buy it. But I'd suggest keeping it in mind while you keep looking. If you find a similar boat that's been well maintained then it's worth paying a premium. It's always a buyers market for used boats and it's winter, you're not going to sail a whole lot. If you look around for a few months and can't find anything similar then odds are the boat will be sitting right where it is but at a lower price.
David
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Post by psousa on Dec 23, 2015 13:10:06 GMT
In Alucante there is quite good one - a brit who moved to spain... I suppose you are referring to this one, right? www.boatsurveypro.co.ukI allready request a quote. Wating. |
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Post by psousa on Dec 23, 2015 13:16:43 GMT
Taking a different tack... This boat has clearly not been well maintained. You could get to the bottom of the slimy stuff in the bilges and the rust and the corroded wires etc. But that may well be the tip of an iceberg. If the obviously visible parts of the boat look bad then there are probably worse demons lurking unseen. I'm not saying don't buy the boat. If you love the boat and would be devastated if someone else got it then by all means survey it and buy it. But I'd suggest keeping it in mind while you keep looking. If you find a similar boat that's been well maintained then it's worth paying a premium. It's always a buyers market for used boats and it's winter, you're not going to sail a whole lot. If you look around for a few months and can't find anything similar then odds are the boat will be sitting right where it is but at a lower price. David David, that is, in fact, the wisest position, unfortunately I've already made an offer :\ Any way I'm waiting for the surveyor quote. |
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Post by vasko on Dec 23, 2015 18:27:25 GMT
In Alucante there is quite good one - a brit who moved to spain... I suppose you are referring to this one, right? www.boatsurveypro.co.ukI allready request a quote. Wating. Looks good - in Alicante area there are plenty of expats brit.. you should be able to find one without issues.. where is the boat located ? ( I got my one 2 1/2 years ago in Alicante - did not do any survey etc.. was king of not maintained at all the last 5-7 years , but love it as it was the most preserved example that I have seen at the time... (I'm not 100% sure that it was the same one - I will need to check when I'm back in London my business cards.. as I met with the guy traveling back from Alicante to London ) btw: take a look at this boat too : www.boatshop24.com/de/jeanneau-sun-liberty-34/Segelboote/868306#mOWEBW7tsWUXFq6H.97looks in amazing condition... |
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 23, 2015 20:49:14 GMT
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Post by vasko on Dec 24, 2015 0:52:57 GMT
Yes,
this boat looks like great value for the money - especially taking in account that she is in Holland and eur\gbp rate.. my one was in alot worse condition when I got it and actually still in worse condition if i compare the leather covers of the walls and top... I'm jealous that she was not on the market when I got mine ....
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Post by alenka on Dec 26, 2015 21:42:04 GMT
Beware the digital image!
I spent three years looking for a boat and travelled to Italy twice, Palma twice, plus France and Germany to find her.
After being severely disappointed on several occasions by the boat not living up to the digital images show on web sites I ultimately insisted on seeing the original full size pics, not the reduced sized ones they upload to web sites, before booking tickets.
The devil is in the detail and unless you look at a full size image all the nasty bits are just lost.
Personally, I would be more concerned if a 1999 boat looked totally pristine and I would be asking myself what have they hidden? You should not expect perfection in a 16 year old boat. Equally, work on the notion that if the bits you can see have not been looked after the bits you don't see will be even worse. Somewhere between these two sentiments is probably a safe bet.
The mess in the bilge could be down to just a lazy engineer who can't be bothered cleaning up after spilling oil, coolant, etc. There are a few around and I hate it when they do it on my boat, but it has happened.
As others have stated a good surveyor will tell you if it is superficial or more serious; And most will give you an opinion before you commit to the survey so why not show them the pictures first and ask them if they think it is worth proceeding?
Good Luck
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Post by alenka on Dec 26, 2015 21:46:30 GMT
Ps. To the above.
Always ask when the pictures were taken. You would be surprised how many use pictures that were taken years earlier and do not reflect the current condition
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Post by psousa on Dec 28, 2015 18:50:37 GMT
Hi all! Pictures are mine. I was in place. I'm about to schedule another visit to pull it out of the water in order to check below the water line. I will decide if I buy it or not after this inspection. Everything is well cared except below floor boards. Check these pictures showing other details which denote care, in my opinion: imgur.com/a/avCkDNew bow roller, new roller sheaves, chainplates seems to be in good shape, bow cover (not common) + bimini + sprayhood, all 3 like new and open in place - in my opinion these polyester fabrics protects gelcoat and other expensive parts while are open and in place while boat lays in the water, under the sun and rain. Personally, I prefer to sacrifice those easy replaceable equipments than other expensive stuff. I usually cover my power boat everyday after use it, even if I want to be back next day in the morning! These are details I appreciate. |
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 28, 2015 19:07:00 GMT
I agree those images do look like she has been well maintained overall. I think some owners might get complacent and forget to inspect (and clean) the bilges very often
Good luck with the haul out and inspection.
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Post by so36idavid on Dec 29, 2015 1:24:50 GMT
Check these pictures showing other details which denote care, in my opinion: imgur.com/a/avCkDTake a look at that image with the thicker black wires running over the threads of a stainless bolt. At some point the insulation on those wires will chafe through on the threads resulting in a short. Wires should run inside of a cable harness, particularly where they chafe on sharp edges like bulkheads or screw threads. And indeed most of the wires in your images have been treated this way. But someone got lazy or didn't do it in this case for some reason. There's another example of this in the bilge (red and black wire). Sorry man, I don't mean to be over critical of the boat, I'm sure she'll make you very happy. It's just better to know about this stuff going in so that you can deal with it before you have to. In this case it's easy enough to fix, just push a piece of split wiring loom over the wire and feed it in as far as you can. Zip tie it in place and move on. David |
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Post by patryk221 on Dec 29, 2015 9:39:40 GMT
The Brown stuff is from the gearbox shaft seal having a slow leak, keel bolts look fine to me, I thought mine were heavy rusted, I replaced them and they turned out to be like new/ Its just durface rust nothing to worry about, remember you are buying a 1999 boat not a 2016 Boat....
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Post by psousa on Dec 29, 2015 15:12:51 GMT
Check these pictures showing other details which denote care, in my opinion: imgur.com/a/avCkDTake a look at that image with the thicker black wires running over the threads of a stainless bolt. (...) There's another example of this in the bilge (red and black wire). Hi David. You right. I'll fix that. Any way I think none of them are part of electric circuit. Those thick-black wires seems to be sensors/data/antenna cables going to the chart table/cockpit equipment. The twin cable (2 red - one of them have a black line) passing through the bilge seems to be part of sound system (to the cockpit speakers). |
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