psousa
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Post by psousa on Dec 29, 2015 15:30:43 GMT
The Brown stuff is from the gearbox shaft seal having a slow leak, keel bolts look fine to me, I thought mine were heavy rusted, I replaced them and they turned out to be like new/ Its just durface rust nothing to worry about, remember you are buying a 1999 boat not a 2016 Boat.... Brown lub usually come from engine. Green is usually valvoline from gearbox (also from steering circuit, on power boats). None are good signs if it's a leak. If they were left behind from the last maintenance change, it's acceptable.
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Post by vasko on Dec 29, 2015 16:26:22 GMT
Boat looks quite good on pictures btw: I do not like vertical windlass - had serious issues with this type before, but your one looks in pristine condition...
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Post by psousa on Dec 31, 2015 1:54:38 GMT
Boat looks quite good on pictures btw: I do not like vertical windlass - had serious issues with this type before, but your one looks in pristine condition... It's an horizontal windlass, Vasko. I'll keep you up to date regarding this deal I have a Bavaria 32 and an Oceanis 323, both 3 yrs newer options and I'm still a little bit undecided, but I like the Odyssey 34.2, really don't know why. Maybe because the layout... Cheers!
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Post by vasko on Dec 31, 2015 8:37:22 GMT
Do not go for Bavaria - complete rubbish. Had Bavaria 34 and Bavaria 40 before I will never buy a Bavaria again - they are not sailing boats as they cannot sail - when you try sailing they squick and fight with the wind instead gliding and move forward , there is something really wrong with the Bavaria design - Bavarias are usually used as a cheap caravan. Bavarias breaks constantly no matter everything is in perfect serviced condition from a certified engineer.
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Post by alenka on Jan 1, 2016 10:07:19 GMT
As Malcolm says many people just never get around to cleaning their bilges. This haul out I lifted every single floor board, including all those screwed down ones, and thoroughly cleaned every nook and cranny. I was feeling guilty because it was the first time in three years I had gotten around to doing the complete works. The guilt didn't last too long, under some there was still saw dust from the original fit out!!
I know the previous owner never spared a penny on her upkeep but as he was approaching 80 I guess he could be forgiven for not laying on his tummy scrubbing bilges!
Hope the boat works out for you and she gives you much enjoyment.
Happy New Year
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Post by psousa on Jan 4, 2016 1:44:47 GMT
Do you know where to buy jeanneau original decals for these boats and how much can they cost? Also, do you know any particular reason to remove all decals from a boat like this? There was any version of 34.2 with no top line crossing hull from transom to bow? Or without those parallel lines immediately above the water line? This boat have a decal of cleaning product name (produced by owner's chemical company), at both sides, but I think that's not a reason to completely remove jeanneau decals.... m.imgur.com/9FxDlD7m.imgur.com/ByfdrCpm.imgur.com/eQfQ8WgThank you for your opinions and happy 2016! cheers!
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Post by vasko on Jan 4, 2016 8:09:09 GMT
The boat looks extremly clean ... usually after gelcoat renewal, osmosis treatment, hull painted etc. but this are nit bad things ... personally i prefere boats in original condition ... but you are thinking toooo much ... boats are like girls... you either love them or not... e.g. too much thinking is not a good sign . all boats have always large amount of problems and if you do not love the boat better not go there as you will hate fixing all this problems over time... you know the practical principal if the 3 F's but we all get merried and have our own boats in the end
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Post by MalcolmP on Jan 4, 2016 9:23:22 GMT
Do you know where to buy jeanneau original decals for these boats and how much can they cost? Also, do you know any particular reason to remove all decals from a boat like this? There was any version of 34.2 with no top line crossing hull from transom to bow? Or without those parallel lines immediately above the water line? This boat have a decal of cleaning product name (produced by owner's chemical company), at both sides, but I think that's not a reason to completely remove jeanneau decals.... m.imgur.com/9FxDlD7m.imgur.com/ByfdrCpm.imgur.com/eQfQ8WgThank you for your opinions and happy 2016! cheers! You may be able to get OEM ones from a Jeanneau dealer - but at 15 years old or so, would depend if there is still any stock at the factory. Failing that a good graphics company should be able to match an existing reasonably well - need a friendly local 34.2 owner with good graphics so they can take images etc. Putting on waterline graphics and hull styling stripes is quite an art. DIY attempts too often end up looking like that even with good vinyl - getting the lines straight and in the right location, especially for the boot-top is hard. But I agree with Vasko I think you are now looking too hard at this boat, if it is not right for you as she is then I would look elsewhere. You should be able to get another that meets your budget and aesthetic criteria - there are a lot of boats out there... Finally just check that she is not ex-charter as many of the charter boats such as the Moorings fleet had their own personalised colours put on by the factory and these often have been removed when ex-charter...
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Post by MalcolmP on Jan 4, 2016 9:28:31 GMT
Oh and also I would be concerned about that corporate graphic for the cleaning product, especially if it has been on the boat for a few years as the colour below the vinyl will now be different to the rest of the gel-coat. Even after removing the graphic the outline can often still be clearly seen due to UV etc on the original hull
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Post by psousa on Jan 5, 2016 17:12:47 GMT
The boat looks extremly clean ... you know the practical principal if the 3 F's but we all get merried and have our own boats in the end Indeed (but I had to google! ) Don't think she's an ex-charter! Only one owner, she is currently registered under spanish 'Lista 7a', a vessel classification which do not allow to take financial advantage from the boat, and personally I do not believe it was different in the past since that's not the owner core business. It's possible, in fact, but I don't believe. Regarding waterline graphics and hull styling stripes it's not a problem to me since it is a reversible detail. Just curious to know why she's naked, but I'll ask when at the owner presence, next week. And if ITB inspections are trustable (mandatory each 5 yrs, in Spain), everything is ok since those guys check several important details, including hull osmosis/moisture/delamination, keel-hull joint, thru-hull valves condition, etc..
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Post by vasko on Jan 5, 2016 19:00:48 GMT
as Far as I'm aware in Spain the old owner need to fix everything in the boat and according to the Spanish low you can ask him to fix it I think 6 or 12 month after the purchase ! - although my bot had issues that I discovered after the sale I never bothers the old owner to be honest as I love the boat and fixing stuff has never been a issue for me, actual has been more fun.. if your boat is near Alicante I have huge practical experience with the area, servicing, people that can do jobs on the boat ( mechanical, electrical, canvas, plastics, vinyl etc.) marinas etc. inc. a lady that for 25eur will cleaning the boat after you inc. I'm familiar with VAT proof, unregistered the boat from Spain and Register it in UK, insurance without having a survey etc. + I have a friend ( Brit) who run a yachting school in Alicante... the down side of Alicante is ONLY that there is not many place to sail around ( as all Spain by the way) - the only option is minimum 15h-22h sailing to Ibiza and after that Ibiza, Formentera and Majorca na Menorca are miracle places - but the initial 15h-22h sailing requires a good engine and prop that will move you boat at at least 7kts all the time
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Post by psousa on Jan 8, 2016 15:55:27 GMT
as Far as I'm aware in Spain the old owner need to fix everything in the boat and according to the Spanish low you can ask him to fix it I think 6 or 12 month after the purchase ! - although my bot had issues that I discovered after the sale I never bothers the old owner to be honest as I love the boat and fixing stuff has never been a issue for me, actual has been more fun.. if your boat is near Alicante I have huge practical experience with the area, servicing, people that can do jobs on the boat ( mechanical, electrical, canvas, plastics, vinyl etc.) marinas etc. inc. a lady that for 25eur will cleaning the boat after you inc. I'm familiar with VAT proof, unregistered the boat from Spain and Register it in UK, insurance without having a survey etc. + I have a friend ( Brit) who run a yachting school in Alicante... the down side of Alicante is ONLY that there is not many place to sail around ( as all Spain by the way) - the only option is minimum 15h-22h sailing to Ibiza and after that Ibiza, Formentera and Majorca na Menorca are miracle places - but the initial 15h-22h sailing requires a good engine and prop that will move you boat at at least 7kts all the time Thank you Vasko! I was reading the law and they only have to pay if you discover the issue whithin 6 months. But it seems this only applies to contracts made with the professional seller (broker) - professional to private sale. If you put the private owner's name - private to private sale - this warranty does not apply. This is my interpretation of the law. I'm buying to a professional but I'm prety sure they will put the owner's name on the sale document. Regarding VAT proof (the 1 million $ document which always seems to be missing), if there is no purchase invoice (they never have!!!), how can they prove the VAT payment? ty
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Post by vasko on Jan 8, 2016 16:49:36 GMT
if there is no purchase invoice or no transfer from company or private to private - you do not have a proof of VAT
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"As the boat does not come from outside the EU any VAT issues are the responsibility of the state where the transaction took place - in your case Spain so HMRC have no interest." - but I'm not sure in this ....
but you could be asked for VAT proof anywhere including Spain, France etc...
and you need to export it from Spain - having a boat with Spanish flag is expensive...
all VFH , EPRB will need to go to the bin, check the expiry dates on flares and liferaft - servicing liferaft and new flares is about 1000eur..
new vfh and epirb are not cheap also ... does the boat have lifejackets ? dinghy ? outboard engine ? plank\passarelle ? docking lines? up to date anchor , good length and condition chain ? - there are so many small things that added are serious amount ..
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Post by vasko on Jan 8, 2016 16:56:25 GMT
Does the boat have bimini and sprayhood , davits\stern arch ? this do not change the purchase price, but saves a lot if you need to do it yourself.. send me a pm and will send a full list of what i have on my boat and you can check what you have and if not have it you can decide do you need it at all
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