Replacement Standing Rigging 49DS

[koza1212]

I am presently in the Caribbean and wish to replace all the standing rigging (except for the twin backstays) on our 49DS. I have heard Jeanneau can supply the rigging at a very economical price compared to the commercial rigging companies such as FKG in St Maartens. Can anyone give me some direction here.

[On y va]

May I ask why you want to replace your standing rigging? How old is it?

[koza1212]

The rigging is now almost 9 years old and I noticed a broken wire at the top swage on the port side D1. We have been fulltime sailing for the past five years covering over sixteen thousand miles and plan on crossing the Pacific back to Australia over the next three years. All the rest of the rigging looks ok and I had it inspected by a professional rigger in Maine last year. My thinking was if it didn't cost and arm and a leg I would replace all the rigging.
I welcome your thoughts on this.

Regards,

Jim.
s/y "Koza"

[MalcolmP]

You might still be able to get the OEM wires from Jeanneau America

Try Gilles Rigaux

His contact info is in this thread:
jeanneau.proboards.com/thread/2666/bow-roller

[On y va]

Hi Jim, thanks for the explanaition. Although early, in your case it would make sense to contemplate replacement. Most manufacturers guarantee a 10 year life of wire and terminals and seeing you are a "heavy user"....... However, this 10 years does include the turnbuckles, which does drive up the cost quite a bit unfortunately. But if you replace, you have to replace all, otherwise you might as well donate the money to the red cross.

Jeanneau should be able to supply based on your HIN number, so "as supplied" at the time and not according to the manual.

[koza1212]

Thanks, I have emailed the Jeanneau dealer in Florida so we shall see what they come back with.  Cheers Jim

[rene460]

Hi koza,

Once that that first broken strand is noticed in stainless steel rigging, the normal recommendation is replace the whole lot.

The theory goes that SS suffers an inter granular stress cracking on salt exposure that is not easy to see by inspection (unlike galvanized wire).  All the wires are the same age and similar stress range, and once the first strand goes others can follow without much warning.

Perhaps a bit unusual for the first to be so high up, as you would expect less salt up there, but there is enough in the air.

Even an arm and a leg will be cheap beside a problem mid Pacific.

By the way, let us know when you reach Australia, it would be great to catch up if you are stopping any where near our location.

Rene460

[Zanshin]

I would have expected that FKG could offer a better price for the complete standing rigging hardware (and installation) than could Jeanneau and am interested in the quotes you will get from Jeanneau. When I had my 49DS I though about replacing the standing rigging with Dyneema rather than 1x19 and got a quote from Colligo Marine for the lines and the fittings. While appropriately sized Dyneema is more expensive per running meter than 1x19, the cost savings are found in the end-points and fittings and the end prices for the two options were about the same. I saw a big Catana that had been redone by Colligo and the end-result was very nice indeed.

I redid my lifelines on the 49DS with Dyneema and was surprised how easy it was to work with, there are no special tools needed to install lines. There is the issue of creep, which in the standing rigging is solved by going up in size from what is required but one still has lashings that will need very occasional retightening. But the weight savings are quite substantial, I believe that the whole Catana 57 rigging fit into two suitcases and could be carried!

I opted not to be an early adopter and my 49DS rigging was still in excellent condition so I didn't change anything, but I would keep this option in mind; particularly with the new UV resistant formulations and better chafe protection. In addition, there are enough rigs out there now to be able to make better estimates of the actual life expectancy. And if anything goes wrong with any part of the rigging, all that is needed is an awl, a sharp knife and a bit of splicing in order to effect repairs, and a length of line in the diameter of the largest stay could be carried aboard and it would take almost no space and weigh just a kilo!

[koza1212]

Thanks, I have been informed by Jeanneau they can on longer supply the rigging for a 49DS. I have given thought to the Dyneema rigging having used it on race boats in Australia but don't know if I have the balls to risk it with the ocean crossings we have ahead of us. I put new Elvstrom spectra sails on the boat last year and haven't stopped breaking sheets since so have replaced all with dyneema. Very proficient at  Bremmel splicing now.
I will make the Dyneema inquiry at FKG when we arrive there in about a week.

Cheers,
Jim.
s/y"Koza"

[zofiasailing]

Hi Jim
We recently met some cruisers who'd been dismasted during a pacific depression off New Caledonia. 
In the process of getting re-rigged they'd been advised that it's not just a 10 year rule for standing rigging,  it's also 15,000nm if that comes sooner. It makes sense when you think of the flexing that goes on when your boat is active and not just sitting on a jetty. 
Eva and Brian 
SV Zofia

[sailbleu]

Koza,

I know it's fairly late , and I also know it's a long shot (in distance) but it would be well time spent to contact this company
www.tuigerij-online.nl/webwinkel/verstaging-op-maat/bestel-hulp
It's not english but I'm sure they can help in that language.
I have ordered my rigging before last summer and the price was more than ok. Always too much of course , but compared to other companies really good.
I you would have anyone in your neighbourhood to help you out with the translation you would surely save many bucks.My friend ( Maeva 47,7 blue beneteau) is still there I believe. He reads this board.
The mast has to be down so you can measure up the rigging and place the order.

Just a thought.

Regards