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Post by sailbleu on Feb 28, 2015 9:30:23 GMT
Oh well , I guess in the end it's cheaper taking matters into your own hand(s)
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Post by hoppy on Feb 28, 2015 9:40:04 GMT
Oh well , I guess in the end it's cheaper taking matters into your own hand(s) Cheaper for what? Squeezing out the gel coat filler? Don't forget to use the correct amount of hardener
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Post by hoppy on Feb 28, 2015 9:48:59 GMT
On the gelcoat repair topic. I need to do a repair on the non-slip patterned surface. I was thinking of making a "mould" of the surface by waxing a section of non slip and then applying silkaflex and letting it dry. I'm hoping the wax will make removing the silkaflex easier.
Do you think it will work or got a better suggestion?
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Post by sailbleu on Feb 28, 2015 13:02:41 GMT
On the gelcoat repair topic. I need to do a repair on the non-slip patterned surface. I was thinking of making a "mould" of the surface by waxing a section of non slip and then applying silkaflex and letting it dry. I'm hoping the wax will make removing the silkaflex easier. Do you think it will work or got a better suggestion? This is what I've tried a few years ago.But not before treating the area with a special fluid to prevent sticking . Maybe wax will do , but I've used a substance designed for that purpose.You rub it on the surface , no sticking and the remains can be washed away with water. Building a barrier/wall and pouring in some epoxy resin. The barrier was as you will know to prevent the epoxy flowing away. The result was a perfect shape of the non-slip deck patern , but it was not flexible thus making it difficult to use on a deck repair job. What you need is a 2 component gel that hardens but stays flexible , also in combination with a barrier/wall. Using sicaflex ( tried it) is a mess , encapsulated bubbles and other irreguralities . Or use a (expensive ) 2 C. gel or buy a flexible mal , they come in all sizes and all shapes/relief . Check the net. Regards
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Post by gschoone on Mar 1, 2015 20:59:29 GMT
Before others start getting hysterical I think some facts are required. Clearly if there are real structural cracks that is indeed a major concern and needs rectification. But if as I suspect the issue is with hairline stress cracks these are far from uncommon in all fiberglass mouldings, from most boatbuilders and generally can and are permanently invisibly repaired. That said I am personally rather frustrated that without any background or detailed information or images that "GShoone" registered on this forum for the very first time and within an hour of registration uses the forum to state that he is planning a law suit. This is a community and not somewhere that can be simply hi-jacked, by someone who has never contributed previously. As I have previously suggested in such cases it is best to employ a professional suitably experienced surveyor to make an investigation and report - if no suitable remedial action is then agreed by either the dealer or factory - then of course civil actions in courts are available and such actions would no doubt be of interest for reporting by the media.
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Post by gschoone on Mar 1, 2015 21:14:35 GMT
Allow me to be surprised. I have been working hard to buy a 250K Jeanneau SO409 fully equiped. This is my third boat, and I would believe to expect for this kind of investment some quality in return. Evety boat has small gelcoat issues, but not to this extend.
After trying to find a solution with dealer and Jeanneau for more than a year we could not reach an agreement so far. I am trying to find out through this forum if there are other cases, and how they have been settled. Apologies if a new member like me is not allowed to do that through the forum. i hope the forum is not meant for only the positive stories.
To say something positive, it's a great sailing boat - very fast cruiser! The only thing I hoped is that warranties could be settled more easily. Understand from the reaction (thanks to all) that the local dealer can play an important role.
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Zipisea
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Post by Zipisea on Apr 17, 2015 21:07:57 GMT
It sucks that this happens on new boats. I recently bought a tube of MagicEzy and will hopefully test it out in a couple of weeks when I'm next back at my boat. Hopefully it is a good as it appears on the video www.magicezy.com/products/hairline-fix/Hi, have you tried this yet? And if so, what was the outcome?
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Post by ianpowolny on Apr 18, 2015 7:55:41 GMT
On the gelcoat repair topic. I need to do a repair on the non-slip patterned surface. I was thinking of making a "mould" of the surface by waxing a section of non slip and then applying silkaflex and letting it dry. I'm hoping the wax will make removing the silkaflex easier. Do you think it will work or got a better suggestion? Hoppy, we had a section of the non-slip deck repaired by a specialist last season. He told me he had some templates that he uses to make the dimples once he has the gel coat in place. One season on you can't see the repair. Not sure where you get the template from. Also I'm going to go on repair course next winter to learn how to do gel coat / GRP repairs. Ian
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Post by hoppy on Apr 18, 2015 8:17:08 GMT
It sucks that this happens on new boats. I recently bought a tube of MagicEzy and will hopefully test it out in a couple of weeks when I'm next back at my boat. Hopefully it is a good as it appears on the video www.magicezy.com/products/hairline-fix/Hi, have you tried this yet? And if so, what was the outcome? No, I did not get a chance to try it. It was a little too cool when I was down last. Going back next weekend and if I have the time, I'll try to give it a go then
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Post by Zipisea on Apr 18, 2015 15:31:07 GMT
Ok. Would like to hear if it works or not. I have seen mixed comments about the quality but that might be partially dependent how it is used. If it works for you then I will order and try myself to fix few cosmetic cracks.
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Post by abgreenbank on Apr 18, 2015 17:22:26 GMT
Ian, jeanneau have said they will provide a template/mold so the lumps of anti skid gel coat can be replaced, however Jeanneau still say as the repairer is not an authorised jeanneau agent, whatever the result is it's my problem. The selling dealer just wants to pay me a lump sum for all the repairs, and I guess go away! So it's a little reassuring that your repair is very good. My selling dealer still thinks it's possible to antifoul a new boat start to finish, 2 coats epoxy primer and 2 coats ablative antifoul in 3 hours. The recoating times alone at the temperature it was done at are in excess of a total of 12 hours.
Rgrds
Alistair
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Post by Don Reaves on Apr 19, 2015 0:38:30 GMT
Do you think the 3 hour quote is for hours worked, rather than clock time? With the typical delay between coats, especially the epoxy barrier coat, 3 hours seems impossible. Even 12 hours seems like it might not be enough.
Note that epoxy can be made to set up faster by using a different amount of hardener. I suppose it's possible that they are planning to make things go faster in this way, but 3 hours still seems unreasonable.
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Post by abgreenbank on Apr 19, 2015 7:02:28 GMT
3 hours is from pictures of me removing the shrink wrap and the job finished, pictures from iPad and all time stamped. needless to say lots of grey primer showing and a fair jungle of growth. international paints paints recommended for the epoxy primer a recoating time of 4 hours and between antifoul 8 hours at 18deg c, most yards are saying to me 2 or 3 hours for initial degrease and abrading of the gel coat and 1.5 hours to paint each coat, it's a DS50, around 45m2 wetted surface. rgrds alistair
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Post by no3l on Apr 23, 2015 10:16:56 GMT
Hi Hoppy,
I am interested to see if the Magicezy was successful?
What colour did you chose?
We have the SO36i and have a couple of minor cracks and this would seem to be ideal solution.
Thanks in advance. Noel
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Post by hoppy on Apr 24, 2015 9:12:50 GMT
Hi Hoppy, I am interested to see if the Magicezy was successful? What colour did you chose? We have the SO36i and have a couple of minor cracks and this would seem to be ideal solution. Thanks in advance. Noel Have not used it yet. flying to the boat tomorrow and hopefully I will give it a try over the next week
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Post by hoppy on Apr 30, 2015 15:22:24 GMT
Here is my Magicezy effort before after I did another flat surface which has a lot of cracks (the back of the seat where you step on, but that did not look good at all. I should have practice on 1 crack not a million. I guess you need to practice until you lear not get it right. I suspect that part of the problem I had was that the cracks are old and even after cleaning they are still black inside and that shows through. I don't think the photos do it justice. Before the crack on the grip surface was very obvious and no i have to look closely. I will try again with smooth surfaces and my try a better attempt at cleaning or even scratch the crack to get rid of embedded dirt. For the grip surface I will definitely use it again
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Post by Zipisea on May 1, 2015 18:08:14 GMT
Thanks for the update and pictures. Maybe not a real magic but improvement anyway. I think I will test it also later this summer.
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Post by sailborabora on Dec 3, 2015 23:34:50 GMT
Wow, what a concerning thread to bump into while planning a new 439... But in my many years in boats isn't it a case of wood rots, fibreglass gell coat cracks, steel rusts and aluminium fizzes? Anybody that's used fibreglass yachts and boats, from Optimists through to Jeanneau 509, must be familiar with the idiosyncrasies of gellcoat. But it's also dead easy to patch/fix provided it's not textured. Or am I wrong? Are the Hanse, Beneateau and Elan forums absent of discussion about gellcoat? Beneteau owner, new boat. 3 months in the water, hauled out and we have many multiple radial-grid like stress cracks in the hull under and above the water line, some quite deep, iin an area of 3' x5'. There you go, a B owner jumping in. WIll let you know how they handle this.
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Post by pgi409 on Dec 16, 2015 1:57:19 GMT
6 month old 409 owner here. Cracks have appeared around the jib tracks. Also have voids that have cracked open along the genoa tracks (along curve under long salon window and deck) and around traveler supports. My dealer appears anxious to fix this, as opposed to a myriad of other issues, perhaps that's because Jeanneau is quick to pay for these?
I'm interested in feedback... I'm 6 months into a 2 year warranty. Should I repair these now, as the dealer would like to do, or should I sail for another year to see how many other cracks might appear before they are repaired?
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Post by Rumpus on Jan 4, 2016 16:15:11 GMT
A Reply I posted to Jim on the other "crack" post.
Hi Jim,
We have a new 409 (April 2015) and are based in the UK. The commissioning manager warned us (before we got ownership) we would get some cosmetic hairline cracks in certain places on the boat due to the stiffness of the gelcoat used. As the rig tensions and the boat settles to a sailing aspect rather than sitting in a factory mould, there is some slight movement.
He said not to worry and when the boat was 10-12 months old, his grp chap would come along and do them under warranty.
When he was on the boat last time doing some other bits and pieces, he noted the ones we had so far and took pictures. Another, identical 409 in the marina (from the same broker) had hers sorted in spring 2015 (Just over year old) under warranty.
The chap uses a dremel to slightly open the crack to a v-shape (2-3mm across), fills with colour matched gelcoat and sands/polishes down. You cant see where he has been on the other boat, it matches so well.
Your picture looks just like the ones we have.
Read more: jeanneau.proboards.com/thread/4242/439-gelcoat-cracks-shroud-base#ixzz3wICzTF8s
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Post by j24sailor on Jan 5, 2016 5:42:01 GMT
Here is my Magicezy effort before after I did another flat surface which has a lot of cracks (the back of the seat where you step on, but that did not look good at all. I should have practice on 1 crack not a million. I guess you need to practice until you lear not get it right. I suspect that part of the problem I had was that the cracks are old and even after cleaning they are still black inside and that shows through. I don't think the photos do it justice. Before the crack on the grip surface was very obvious and no i have to look closely. I will try again with smooth surfaces and my try a better attempt at cleaning or even scratch the crack to get rid of embedded dirt. For the grip surface I will definitely use it again You say the photos don't do it justice, but I think you have done an incredible job, especially on a textured surface. You should be proud.
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Post by Trevor on Jan 5, 2016 6:48:40 GMT
Hello Hoppy,
I have a SO 42DS and based on this thread one day I may just get inspired enough to attempt the gelcoat crack fix! I figure Jeanneau may have a standard white for the deck so the white deck colour may be the same as yours. What colour did you choose for the magicezy? They have about 4 different whites it seems and I wonder which one matches your boat? It looks like a good match to me and nice job by the way.
Regards,
Trevor
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Post by Tafika II on Jan 5, 2016 17:45:19 GMT
Hi Trevor! Happy New Year! How's retirement? When I contacted Jeanneau, they stated the following..." Spectrum Colors; bellow are their Jeanneau color codes. The gelcoat can be purchased off their site or by telephone (bellow). 4 oz paste- F55-6334 Qt liquid – F50-6333 "
I ordered a patch kit from Spectrum which matched extremely well and has lasted about 3 years so far with no degradation. If you know where to look for the fix, you MIGHT see it, but doubtful. Spectrum's color is Beneteau Pure White 02-09. I hop this helps!
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Post by Trevor on Jan 5, 2016 21:27:01 GMT
Hi Brent, Happy New Year to you too! Retirement is good fun as I am finding ways to not spend quite as much money as before. Thanks for the colour information and ordering details. Regards, Trevor
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Post by Trevor on Jul 4, 2016 7:26:30 GMT
But hang on ---- I LOVE my Jeanneau........
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