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Post by vasko on May 25, 2020 22:34:11 GMT
Actual travel in COVID-19 time (yesterday) - all scary parts are stripped deliberately - just general feeling to not upset people ( only 3 flights per 24h on Luton - usually flight every 5 minutes.. ) |
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Post by jy51 on Jun 8, 2020 12:46:02 GMT
Vasko, I know you have previously said that your intension was to get back to Greece and your boat soon, maybe you are already there?
But I understand the foreign office in the UK are still advising against foreign travel from the UK.
Have you looked into the consequences of this. I'm thinking in terms of validity of insurance policies, like travel, motor and boat insurance. I have little knowledge of this area but knowing that Insurance companies do not like paying out money, I would assume if you were to make a claim while abroad, they might be reluctant to pay out, stating that you broke UK FO recommendations and therefore have taken an unreasonable risk!
I have friends in the UK that would like to drive out to Spain once the Spanish Schengen boarders reopen on the 1 July but are concerned that their insurance would be null and void driving through France and Spain while the UK government are telling people not to travel abroad.
Maybe there is a UK based insurance underwriter or consultant that can advice us.
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Post by vasko on Jun 8, 2020 13:25:25 GMT
I’m currently in Bulgaria - just finished my 2 weeks quarantine after arriving from UK and next Monday (15th) will drive to Lavrion(Athens) and catch the ferry to Syros at 5pm ..,
The car that I will use to drive down has a value of about £1500 e.g has only third party insurance and it looks valid... e.g no much worries there...
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Post by jy51 on Jun 8, 2020 16:20:30 GMT
Pleased to hear your sorting yourself out, have a great summer.
We drive from the south of France, back to Spain on 1 July, and fingers crossed, Coco is being being put back in the water on 3 July.......desperate to get some sailing in!
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Post by MalcolmP on Jun 8, 2020 17:18:22 GMT
Glad Vasko and JY51 are making progress towards sailing again soon.
Also pleased to note from JY51 that Sant Carles boatyard is starting up operations by early July at least, I had not had any update from the marina, so that's very positive
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Post by vasko on Jun 9, 2020 5:57:03 GMT
Pleased to hear your sorting yourself out, have a great summer. We drive from the south of France, back to Spain on 1 July, and fingers crossed, Coco is being being put back in the water on 3 July.......desperate to get some sailing in! Why you do not keep the boat in France ? This and maybe next season can be awful with traveling.,, |
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Post by Fabrice-Erta on Jun 10, 2020 14:36:39 GMT
Pleased to hear your sorting yourself out, have a great summer. We drive from the south of France, back to Spain on 1 July, and fingers crossed, Coco is being being put back in the water on 3 July.......desperate to get some sailing in! Why you do not keep the boat in France ? This and maybe next season can be awful with traveling.,, I am sure that this based on navigation wishes but the price of boatyard in Spain seems to be much lower than we paid south of France which can be a very good reason. :-) |
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Post by vasko on Jun 10, 2020 15:31:54 GMT
Why you do not keep the boat in France ? This and maybe next season can be awful with traveling.,, I am sure that this based on navigation wishes but the price of boatyard in Spain seems to be much lower than we paid south of France which can be a very good reason. :-) Have you try St.Cyprien, Argeles sur Mere, Cannet en Rossillion ? I had a boat there and for the berth for 25 years lease paid £16k and sold it 4 years later for 19K. For 11x4.5 berth - the area between St Cyprien and Empuriabrava is one of the best sailing regions in the Med.., |
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Post by jy51 on Jun 10, 2020 15:47:51 GMT
Glad Vasko and JY51 are making progress towards sailing again soon. Also pleased to note from JY51 that Sant Carles boatyard is starting up operations by early July at least, I had not had any update from the marina, so that's very positive Yes Malcolm, SCM is back up and running and the boat yard is operating as normal. We are currently having work done on COCO before she is relaunched. We are not sure about the access to the Balearics yet, but considering they are looking to open to tourism asap, I assume we can sail out to Ibiza at the start of August. Regarding Vasko's question of why Spain and not France, Fabrice has partly answered the question, cost! Yes, the marina berths and boatyard are considerably cheaper in Spain. Last year, in low season, berthed in Fréjus, in the south of France, close to Saint Tropez, for a 51 foot boat cost an eye watering €1900,00 per month. MDL Sant Carles Marina offered us a winter 6 month contract in the boatyard including lift in and out with jet wash for about €3350,00. But price is not the only factor we took into account, Sant Carles marina is within a lagoon, very much like a large lake or étange and offers, safe comfortable day sailing and anchoring. The lagoon is only 100 nm from the Balearic Islands and lastly the region is a gourmets paradise. Its within the region of the delta de l'ebre where they grow all the rice for the paella, and vegetables and oranges, they have one of the biggest fishing fleets in Spain and cultivate oysters and mussels in the lagoon. The markets offer fresh local produce at very realistic prices. Lastly, we look on our boat as a home, spending up to six months every year aboard, travelling there we benefit from a change of scenery and culture. |
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Post by jy51 on Jun 10, 2020 15:57:42 GMT
I am sure that this based on navigation wishes but the price of boatyard in Spain seems to be much lower than we paid south of France which can be a very good reason. :-) Have you try St.Cyprien, Argeles sur Mere, Cannet en Rossillion ? I had a boat there and for the berth for 25 years lease paid £16k and sold it 4 years later for 19K. For 11x4.5 berth - the area between St Cyprien and Empuriabrava is one of the best sailing regions in the Med.., Vasko, finding a large berth in the south of France is not easy, most need to be purchased on a long lease and for our boat can cost in excess of € 150,000.00 also some of the marinas further south in the golf can be very windy in winter and frankly out of season these holiday towns can be dead. To find the right location one wound need to be between Sant Tropez and Monaco. Juan les pins, close to us quoted €21,000.00 for a yearly contract and offered to put us on a long waiting list, I think that says it all! |
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Post by MalcolmP on Jun 10, 2020 18:11:46 GMT
Glad Vasko and JY51 are making progress towards sailing again soon. Also pleased to note from JY51 that Sant Carles boatyard is starting up operations by early July at least, I had not had any update from the marina, so that's very positive Yes Malcolm, SCM is back up and running and the boat yard is operating as normal. We are currently having work done on COCO before she is relaunched. We are not sure about the access to the Balearics yet, but considering they are looking to open to tourism asap, I assume we can sail out to Ibiza at the start of August. Many thanks for that insight, good to know. I had asked the office to let me know, so will now give them a chase. We hope to get out to Balearic's also later in the year. |
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Post by fakinx on Jun 10, 2020 19:51:26 GMT
...and I thought Croatia is ripping me off for 6k yearly contract in a nice not too big marina on an island of Murter.
And life gets a bit easier... 😉
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Post by vasko on Jun 11, 2020 20:13:25 GMT
Have you try St.Cyprien, Argeles sur Mere, Cannet en Rossillion ? I had a boat there and for the berth for 25 years lease paid £16k and sold it 4 years later for 19K. For 11x4.5 berth - the area between St Cyprien and Empuriabrava is one of the best sailing regions in the Med.., Vasko, finding a large berth in the south of France is not easy, most need to be purchased on a long lease and for our boat can cost in excess of € 150,000.00 also some of the marinas further south in the golf can be very windy in winter and frankly out of season these holiday towns can be dead. To find the right location one wound need to be between Sant Tropez and Monaco. Juan les pins, close to us quoted €21,000.00 for a yearly contract and offered to put us on a long waiting list, I think that says it all! Yes, Between St.Tropez and Monaco is best - not much sailing btw - wind is not much there ... I will say actually best places are between Marseilles and Menton in St Cyprien the berths inside the man made lake are exceptionally safe - also Argeles sur mer is all safe - been in 120 kt wind in both and no issue - also plenty of 60+ boats also keep in mind that South of France is actually Perpignian - not Cote d'Azure  |
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Post by vasko on Jun 11, 2020 20:16:46 GMT
Yes Malcolm, SCM is back up and running and the boat yard is operating as normal. We are currently having work done on COCO before she is relaunched. We are not sure about the access to the Balearics yet, but considering they are looking to open to tourism asap, I assume we can sail out to Ibiza at the start of August. Many thanks for that insight, good to know. I had asked the office to let me know, so will now give them a chase. We hope to get out to Balearic's also later in the year. for St Cyprien best is pickup the phone and call better in french email : accueil@port-st-cyprien.com Service Accueil 04.68.21.07.98 |
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Post by jy51 on Jun 12, 2020 6:52:15 GMT
Hi, Vasko,
I would agree that the stretch of coast south of Sant Tropez, including Les Isle d’Hyeres and Ile de Porquerolles are probably some of the best sailing regions on that coastline, and easily reached in a day sail from Sant Tropez.
However, your original post related to the location of a permanent berth and although I agree with you that the region between Sète and Perpignan is cheaper, (and I know all of this part of France very well as my wife worked in Montpelleir for 8 years) there is always a reason why!
Your comment of being in 120 knots of wind, is partly the problem, and frankly without going into too much detail, I personally would prefer not to keep a boat in that region of France.
Thank you for the video its great, and it was kind to post contact information, but I believe you misunderstood Malcolm’s comment related to telephoning, I took it that he was talking of calling his marina in Spain for information on accessibility after the pandemic.
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Post by vasko on Jun 13, 2020 4:12:55 GMT
In my view - the last viable place going north is Cannet en Rossillion - although my top preference will be Port Vendres, next Argeles sur Mere, next St Cyprien, next Cannet - Cannet is a BIG service centre for Cats and all possible spares can be found there - going further north I would not keep my boat anywhere between Cannet and Marseiile - tooo much nothing...
Wind is not actual issue at the French/Spanish boarder as it is mainly in Winter - for the 4 years in the region only once for 3 days in Roses also the MeteoMarine Fr dies great job of predicting the weather 100% exact in the area
I have been keeping my boat over time in number if spanish marinas starting from Alicante towards Barcelona - and honestly do not like the Spanish coast for sailing inc. balearics - the part that is acceptable start from Blanes till St.Cyprien with best section between L’Estratit and Argeles
Regarding marina service I much, much prefer french marinas compared to spanish one's... the good positioned one in Spain tend to be expensive and also have restrictions on what you can do yourself and takes sometime to get used to around before finding decent service companies... In comparison many of the french a run by local governments with very decent pricing and services...
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Post by vasko on Jun 15, 2020 3:10:49 GMT
Crossed early morning Greece/Bulgaria border and in my way to Athens - no issues from today for people crossing from Bulgaria - business as usual in Greece so far - will catch the ferry later today to Syros
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Post by vasko on Jun 16, 2020 5:38:01 GMT
Arrived on Ermopoli/Syros yesterday evening - all good so far (mask in the ferry all the time)
The things on the island are business as usual, cafe, bars etc all as usual - actually not s single case of COVID/19 in all cyclades and people are still normal
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Post by MalcolmP on Jun 16, 2020 6:30:08 GMT
Arrived on Ermopoli/Syros yesterday evening - all good so far (mask in the ferry all the time) The things on the island are business as usual, cafe, bars etc all as usual - actually not s single case of COVID/19 in all cyclades and people are still normal Glad your journey worked out well, good planning. Enjoy your sailing and fitting all the new equipment |
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Post by jy51 on Jun 16, 2020 10:25:49 GMT
Please to hear you have arrived back in Greece.
It seems the Spanish will now reopen to European and Schengen members from 21 June with international flights following on 1 July.
Hearing this good news we have changed our arrangements to arrive back in Spain on Sunday 28 June and relaunched on the Monday, fingers crossed!
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