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Post by zaphod on Feb 8, 2021 15:40:24 GMT
HEEL! The correct term is HEEL, not "lean"! Sorry, just had to say something! There was ment to be a subtle, even humorous play on words in that title, obviously not everyone got it! That is the question? Maybe if Prince Hamlet had still been around he would have been less critical. But just to be pedantic......we LEAN....the boat HEELS. The word lean appeared in the title, referring to our personal state of angle, nowhere in any posting of mine or anyone else was the word lean used to describe the heel angle of a boat. I’m sorry but your comment was uncalled for. Easy now! No need to get so defensive! I ignored the title, even though it is a bit cringy to my ear. I even contributed to the conversation when the thread first started, but when the thread was resurrected with the opening line "I love to lean" I thought to myself "oh no! It's catching! I must stop this trend!" Now if I only knew who started the trend of calling a dinghy a "Dink"!
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Post by dbostrom on Feb 9, 2021 3:32:06 GMT
One of my training skippers was a former USN officer whose last charge before mustering out and taking on random noobs as a sailing instructor was that of skipper of a 865' ship intended to deliver marines via helicopters to whatever fracas was in play. Once I made the error of referring to a chart as a "map," in his presence. Such a nice guy, but this was beyond the pale; I was scorched, badly. Words matter. Do words matter? Yes they do, as long as they are kind words. We are not in the Navy, we are pleasure sailors, and not everybody knows every nautical expression or terminology, but to act in a superior or arrogant manner, sorry that I can’t abide!. As long as everyone on board clearly understands one another and can communicate through VHF and has a clear knowledge of collision rules, I’m ok with that. Heh. You make good points. It's important to use "starboard" as opposed to "right" because it's unambiguous no matter a sailor's personal heading respective to the boat. Map vs. chart? Not so much. But these Navy types are awesome in their own way. This guy took us far out into the Strait of Juan de Fuca, roused us at 3a, had us shooting fixes to fixed lights and buoys as we ran back to Pt. Townsend, comparing our results to GPS. A game, and an exercise. Many fixes, needing to count flashes etc.. It was an excellent drill. A day later, we moored on a private ball belonging to an another retired officer and friend of our skipper. Shortly after the break of day next morning, this fellow drove out in his dinghy to reprimand our skipper for letting the US flag droop over the stern in the cold rain all night. Apparently there's a rule (and presumably on a Navy ship somebody is awake at all hours to take the flag when rules dictate). I'm still not sure if they were kidding around or more serious because of course this upbraiding came with a lot of color. Priceless. Also extremely good at having the crew behave as a crew, subtly and without one even realizing one was under command. Now down with aftermath of a severe stroke, d**n it.
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Post by jy51 on Feb 9, 2021 9:01:56 GMT
There was ment to be a subtle, even humorous play on words in that title, obviously not everyone got it! That is the question? Maybe if Prince Hamlet had still been around he would have been less critical. But just to be pedantic......we LEAN....the boat HEELS. The word lean appeared in the title, referring to our personal state of angle, nowhere in any posting of mine or anyone else was the word lean used to describe the heel angle of a boat. I’m sorry but your comment was uncalled for. Easy now! No need to get so defensive! I ignored the title, even though it is a bit cringy to my ear. I even contributed to the conversation when the thread first started, but when the thread was resurrected with the opening line "I love to lean" I thought to myself "oh no! It's catching! I must stop this trend!" Now if I only knew who started the trend of calling a dinghy a "Dink"! So you found the title cringe worthy, and you didn’t like someone saying they loved to lean! I apologise if it upset you so much that you felt it necessary to point out the error of our ways. Well, I suppose I must also apologise in advance for pointing out that I don’t like the sensation of leaning when my boat is heeled, even though others seem to love it. “Dink” now that’s an expression that I have never come across before, but please, when you find the culprit, I’m sure we would all like to know.
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Post by jy51 on Feb 9, 2021 9:16:31 GMT
Do words matter? Yes they do, as long as they are kind words. We are not in the Navy, we are pleasure sailors, and not everybody knows every nautical expression or terminology, but to act in a superior or arrogant manner, sorry that I can’t abide!. As long as everyone on board clearly understands one another and can communicate through VHF and has a clear knowledge of collision rules, I’m ok with that. Heh. You make good points. It's important to use "starboard" as opposed to "right" because it's unambiguous no matter a sailor's personal heading respective to the boat. Map vs. chart? Not so much. But these Navy types are awesome in their own way. This guy took us far out into the Strait of Juan de Fuca, roused us at 3a, had us shooting fixes to fixed lights and buoys as we ran back to Pt. Townsend, comparing our results to GPS. A game, and an exercise. Many fixes, needing to count flashes etc.. It was an excellent drill. A day later, we moored on a private ball belonging to an another retired officer and friend of our skipper. Shortly after the break of day next morning, this fellow drove out in his dinghy to reprimand our skipper for letting the US flag droop over the stern in the cold rain all night. Apparently there's a rule (and presumably on a Navy ship somebody is awake at all hours to take the flag when rules dictate). I'm still not sure if they were kidding around or more serious because of course this upbraiding came with a lot of color. Priceless. Also extremely good at having the crew behave as a crew, subtly and without one even realizing one was under command. Now down with aftermath of a severe stroke, d**n it. I stand partially corrected......port and starboard work far better than; “quick look over the left side of the boat when facing forward.“ But please don’t start a posting about flag etiquette, that’s like opening a real can of worms, If leaning gets me into trouble, imaging a heated debate about when is a flag not a flag but a burgee, and do we raise or fly them?
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Post by dbostrom on Feb 12, 2021 20:00:01 GMT
"But please don’t start a posting about flag etiquette, that’s like opening a real can of worms, If leaning gets me into trouble, imaging a heated debate about when is a flag not a flag but a burgee, and do we raise or fly them?" Taking us fully into the leisure class of "there's nothing to occupy my day other than explore the anthropology of terminology."
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