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Post by so40gtb on Aug 18, 2008 2:45:25 GMT
Has anyone fitted an adjustable jib fairlead car scheme to a Sun Odyssey 34.2? The standard Amiot car has an integral single block to facilitate this. The major challenge in rigging this appears to be bringing the resultant fairlead positioning line around the cabintop handhold teak, forward of the fairlead track. I'm postulating locating a turning block sufficiently forward to have a clear line run to both the track and the cabintop area near the winches.
Last weekend, I mounted cam cleats and padeyes inboard of the clutches and extracted the cam cleats from the heretofore cursed Amiot traveler; the new apparatus replacing the Amiot integral cams. (Someone on this forum - Malcom? - did this previously and was my inspiriation in this endeavor.) This made a HUGE difference in ease of spilling wind off the main with the traveler in puffy conditions, close-hauled, today. Pix and how-to to follow within the next month.
-- Karl
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Post by Geoff on Aug 18, 2008 8:19:28 GMT
Karl
I have an SO36i Crusing version. I had the performance Jib car option fitted. It is basically a 2 to 1 with it being led to the coach roof just by the sprayhood and then a cleat. I have found it really useful as the angle can be altered without leaving the cockpit.
Good luck.
Geoff.
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Post by so40gtb on Sept 14, 2008 22:15:31 GMT
Harken makes a block+becket assembly that mounts on the end of the fairlead car T-track, which takes care of the forward end nicely. The earlier concept of bringing the lines inboard aft to the cabintop won't work - the gap in the splash moulding is essentially full on both sides unless one wants to risk line fouling. Not to mention the line chaos inherent on a boat with but two cabintop winches. So the lines will need to go aft along the cabin sides, as they do on most boats with adjustable cars. But I can't really fix the position of the cam cleat and related hardware until my new dodger is completed and installed, so this project looks like it will spill over into springtime commissioning next season. A SO35 and Beneteau 351 down the dock from my boat have similar Amiot cars and may get similar installations come springtime.
--Karl
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Post by Geoff on Sept 15, 2008 6:34:18 GMT
Karl I went the Harken route. Please see the picture below. The rope goes under the canopy and I can alter it from the cockpit. If I need to put the car forward I ease the Genoa sheet a bit. Good luck. Geoff.  |
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Post by MartyB on Sept 19, 2008 4:35:07 GMT
Geoff like he did what I am toying with on my Arcadia. But with 3 new jibs ordered, not sure that $1500 for the genoa tracks are in the books right now. maybe next spring.
The Harken guide shows a bungie cord on the rear of the block to help pull the car back a bit. Does this seem like a needed thing? or does it depend upon how big a Jib you are using? how much track etc. I would use a 130-155 Genoa on my 2M/6' tracks, my 110 is used with tracks on the cabin top back to the cockpit.
marty
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Post by Geoff on Sept 19, 2008 7:18:04 GMT
Marty Any bungee is a waste of time. When it is a bit windy and I want the cars back a bit I just release and the the takes it back. To move them forward under load I just ease the sheet a bit and then pull!!  because of the cut of the sails I have to keep the car fairly well forward to avoid leech chatter. Good luck. Geoff. |
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Post by MartyB on Sept 19, 2008 14:29:06 GMT
Geoff,
I wondered if the bungie was worth it or not. I saw this on a J37 recently too. BUT the C&C 115 I sailed on last spring during a race series did not have bungies. But the track was probably all of a Meter long if that. Do to that boat having a max 108 HS vs my rig being able to go from small storm jibs to 155's!
I was thinking that skipping the bungie was a good thing. If need be, I would be a single pull line would work just fine if I found I needed to give the carr some help.
marty
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Post by rvink on Sept 29, 2008 17:51:13 GMT
Karl,
On my 34.2 I mounted a turning block (Amiot) at the end of each track and led the postioning line back via the inner side of the track to the wincharea. I used a bull's eye at the position where the line touches the hand rail fittings. At the end I used small jammer blocks just like the genoa sheet jammer blocks.
If you want to I can take pics coming weekend.
Rob.
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Post by so40gtb on Oct 7, 2008 3:15:06 GMT
Yes, Rob, I would be interested in seeing pix of your scheme, as words do not quite create a clear picture.
--Karl
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Post by MartyB on Nov 14, 2008 2:55:37 GMT
Karl,
Looks like not this weekend, but maybe the following, I will have new adjustable carrs installed. I have two Schaefer cars that I thought a few yrs back would fit the Goiot tracks, did not, never returned them. So I picked up 4 Garhaur fiddle blocks, with the help of the owner of all people at Fisheries supply here in Seattle, a large retail, wholesale and online sales place. Suprised the owner was on the floor. Anyway, I will take pics when finished and get them to malcolm for a future update, If I should happen to miss the dec one, I will post here, and get them to Malcolm for the jan update. I should know how it works in a race on Dec 5, ie first sat. Hopefully it will not be snowing like the folks had to deal with last year!
marty
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Post by MartyB on Nov 23, 2008 5:21:55 GMT
The old Goiot tracks are off, new schaefer tracks are installed. Need a few longer bolts tomorrow to final tighten etc. May have some pics tomorrow night. All I have right now is one with daughter cleaning the area that the old tracks were.
Marty
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Post by Don Reaves on Nov 23, 2008 12:28:19 GMT
I don't think I've ever gotten a picture of my daughter working on my boat! It's hard enough to get her to spend time with me on it.
You're a lucky guy!
Don Reaves
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Post by MartyB on Nov 23, 2008 17:10:25 GMT
Don,
I can get the 20 yr old on the boat, the 16.......grrrrrrrrr, also my 22 yr old twin sons come on the boat too. I can tell which are related to me more than my ex! Could never get her, ie ex on a boat other than a ferry going across the sound!
Any way, need to get spouse some breakfast, some longer bolts for me, then back down to finish project.
marty
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Post by so40gtb on Nov 28, 2008 1:38:56 GMT
Marty,
Complete replacement of the track seems a bit much, but thee and me have boats of different generations. I'm acquiring the Harken blocks for the forward end of the factory track this winter, with the routing of leads to be determined in the spring once my new dodger is in place. I'm looking forward to another dimension of sail trim being available without getting out of the cockpit, especially in gusty conditions.
As the season ended, I put a Wichard Gyb-Easy boom brake in place and installed cam cleats for it roughly midway along my cockpit to trim it. Winds late in season weren't such that I could check this out much, so opinions must await the springtime - or later.
As to young adults and sailing, I'm trying to get my second son interested in racing. He lives in downtown Chicago, attending law school, and taking the basic sailing courses offered by the local yacht clubs, to qualify crew candidates, would give him a good social outlet leading into the summer months. We'll see if he takes the bait. My first son, mid-twenties, finds sailing to be boring in the extreme. But, he is a true landlubber, attending architectural grad school in Kentucky, nowhere near any water of substantial area. Yes, former relates to me, latter relates to my ex.
-- Karl
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Post by Don Reaves on Nov 28, 2008 1:56:32 GMT
Karl,
Please post your opinions of the Wichard Gyb-Easy when you get a chance to put it to the test. I've been considering one, but the price was a bit much to just go out and get it without some reports of how well it works.
Don
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Post by MartyB on Nov 28, 2008 3:25:54 GMT
Karl,
While new tracks were the extreme, I could not figure out how to make the old Goiot carrs work. So with that, being as I had bought some schaefer carrs a few yrs back thinking they would work on the current track.....no dice, sooooo, bought some new track 8' long vs the current 6.5' or about 2 M long. Will have a bit more at the aft, and in the front mostly for smaller jibs. I'll see if I can get the pics I took last night off my phone, uploaded to image shack, and linked here.
Anyway, with my small 2' tracks tween the spreaders and just aft of teh mast for my 110, this new 8' track at the side of the cabin, I now have some 10' of track to work with! name a headsail size from storm jib to 175 or there abouts, and I have a setting for it!
Marty
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Post by MartyB on Nov 28, 2008 4:58:52 GMT
here are pics of new setup, hopefully they are visible enough. cleaning after removal.  aft to front  Front to rear including small tracks for 110  very front of track  very rear of track and carr and cam cleat to hold the pulling end of the line  under side of deck, with new 3/4" or 2 cm washers vs the old washers that were maybe 3/8" and sless than a cm in diam.  Currently the front fiddle is held onto the ubolt of the shroud. The rear is bolted to the carr where the push/pull lock pin would be. I need to cut this bolt a bit shorter so it does not interfere with the genoa sheet. I am hoping that by installing the new tracks farther forward I can use the far most setting for reaching to downwind legs with the 110 on windier days for cruising or crewed racing when it is too strong to use a bigger jib or the spinnaker. I am sure like a lot of things, the playing with the setup to see how well it will work will be the fun part! May have time to try it this weekend, but more than likely in a week during a race of all places to test it out! marty |
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