|
|
Post by Capt’n Ron on Sept 25, 2018 3:30:07 GMT
Sometimes when it rains it pours, which has been my misfortune with the boat this last month. After dealing with an engine overheat 30 miles off-shore, water in the fuel and fueling issues due to a faulty design of the fuel venting system, my steering recently failed two weeks later with a blown hole in a hydraulic line just near the steering cylinder. The cause, improper installation of the hydraulic hoses to the steering cylinder when I took possession of the boat two years ago. After talking with the manufacture of the steering system (Lecomble & Schmitt) and sending them pictures, they determine the hoses we’re not properly installed, causing one hose to clip and rub on the other hose connection nut to the cylinder, which ultimately tore a hole in the hose. As you can imagine, failure of the hydraulic steering can lead to a very bad situation, so check your setup and ensure the same is not happening on your boat.   |
|
|
|
Post by dogbreath on Sept 25, 2018 23:41:08 GMT
Thanks Capt'n Ron. I will check our steering hose connections. Our boat is currently in for the 100 hours. Appreciate you posting issues that arise so we may avoid them. Where are you at with the fuel system venting issue. Will there be a replacement trap. Dogbreath
|
|
|
|
Post by Capt’n Ron on Sept 26, 2018 0:58:30 GMT
Hi dogbreath, Sundance fixed the fuel vent problem by adding a siphon loop where the vent hose connects to the p-trap. I don’t believe Attwood has released the new p-trap yet. I encourage all owners with fuel vents on the side of the hull (new 895’s shouldn’t be an issue) to contact the dealer to have them add the siphon loop.
I’m working with a Sundance now on getting the hydraulic hose issue repaired. Unfortunately, these hoses are custom made and come from Jeanneau so I don’t know how long this will take. It will be interesting to see how they configure it to avoid this from happening again. This is what the the tech from the Steering manufacture L&S said.
“Looks like (this is just a theory) the hose may have clipped the head of that bolt when moving. Typically these hoses should be angled in a way that allows them to be a little more free, they way it is now the outside hose is keeping the inside hose on a certain path and if the bolt was in the way it's going to do damage to the line. I originally was thinking some kind of solvent damage but this looks like an external puncture caused it”
|
|
|
|
Post by CruisingCascadia on Sept 29, 2018 0:21:42 GMT
We are currently having our engines installed at Sundance Blaine. I went down to see how things are progressing today. It looks like they are using completely different and shielded hoses. (Jeanneau nc895)   |
|
|
|
Post by captgary on Dec 4, 2018 14:23:44 GMT
Folks, This is Capt Gary. We had the same problem. The hydrolic hose got a hole in it. Fortunately we were in a marina and after 3 days got it fixed. I think the problem is when the Starboard engine comes all the way up it pinches the hydrolic hose. So now when I bring this engine up I don't come all the way up. Since doing that I have not seen any wear on the hoses.
|
|
|
|
Post by nanus18 on Apr 22, 2019 20:49:43 GMT
Failure in the hydraulic direction, the damaged tube was pressed by the trim of the motor and the nut of its support, the solution has been to place a flange to keep the tube always in the upper zone, waiting for its result ...   www.23hq.com/eha/photo/54002368/original |
|
|
|
Post by Capt’n Ron on Apr 22, 2019 21:49:03 GMT
Hey Nanus, looks like yours failed in the same location as mine around that nut. Where were you when it failed? This is how I positioned the hoses after mine were replaced. As you can see I have the flange slightly tilted up, the hoses coming in from the same direction, and zip tied in the center. The photos show the hoses in center, port, and starboard position with no issues of wear, and when I trim the motor full up there is no pinching. Motor centered:  Motor turned Port:  Motor turned starboard:  |
|
|
|
Post by nanus18 on Apr 24, 2019 19:54:53 GMT
Hi Capt Ron
I detected it in a routine review, luckily before going sailing.
Our temporary solution has been to force both hoses to hold their position (one on top of the other) with flanges
Your solution I like more, I'll wait to see results and if I'm not convinced I'll change it.
I also want to add a PVC protector that protects against crushing and abrasion, When I do I upload photos
Thanks for your clear and explanatory images
|
|
|
|
Post by bluedog on Apr 26, 2020 17:02:31 GMT
Hey Nanus, looks like yours failed in the same location as mine around that nut. Where were you when it failed? This is how I positioned the hoses after mine were replaced. As you can see I have the flange slightly tilted up, the hoses coming in from the same direction, and zip tied in the center. The photos show the hoses in center, port, and starboard position with no issues of wear, and when I trim the motor full up there is no pinching. Motor centered: Motor turned Port: Motor turned starboard: |
|
|
|
Post by bluedog on Apr 26, 2020 17:11:46 GMT
Hi Captain Ron - I had a hydraulic hose failure and complete loss of steering yesterday on my 895 with twin 200’s. Was intending to return to Longbranch from gig harbor and luckily had barely left the dock when the steering failed. Next time someone gives me a hard time about having a bow thruster i will ask them to try operating a boat in 20kts of wind with no backup steering.
That said, I’m thinking I’ll just have gig harbor boat works repair on Monday since I’m assuming a hydraulic hose can’t be that hard to source? Plus, it appears the existing hoses are pretty thin with no covering. I feel like they should be constructed much more like my bobcat hydraulics 2x the strength with fabric covers.
The other thing I’m worried about is the fuel vent. Mine is an early 2017 offshore - does that year require the loop to prevent water intrusion?
|
|
|
|
Post by lynnardm on Apr 26, 2020 21:07:32 GMT
Blue dog
If you haven’t yet seen it check out the post titled “You more than likely have water in your fuel system”. I have a 2019 895 and the design is great and no water input. The design was different on earlier boats so I can’t speak for your 895. The locations of the fuel fillers and vents are what was improved (from the earlier design) on my boat. If the
Fillers or vents are anywhere where seawater could be pushed against them then you could experience a problem like Capt’n Ron.
I’m curious on what specifically failed on your 895 hydraulics. Can you elaborate on that? I just recently installed autopilot system. This requires extensive steering plumbing mods so I’m familiar with the system.
Capt’n Lynn
|
|
|
|
Post by bluedog on Apr 27, 2020 2:49:36 GMT
Blue dog If you haven’t yet seen it check out the post titled “You more than likely have water in your fuel system”. I have a 2019 895 and the design is great and no water input. The design was different on earlier boats so I can’t speak for your 895. The locations of the fuel fillers and vents are what was improved (from the earlier design) on my boat. If the Fillers or vents are anywhere where seawater could be pushed against them then you could experience a problem like Capt’n Ron. I’m curious on what specifically failed on your 895 hydraulics. Can you elaborate on that? I just recently installed autopilot system. This requires extensive steering plumbing mods so I’m familiar with the system. Capt’n Lynn |
|
|
|
Post by bluedog on Apr 27, 2020 2:59:16 GMT
Hi Lynn - i also have Garmin Helm auto pilot installed. The hose failure appears to be in multiple areas so I’d call it “extensive hose degradation.” I will take pictures once it’s hauled. I’ll also call Blaine and see if the 2017 design of the fuel system allows for intrusion - I ordered the very first offshore 895 with twin 200s from Sundance and also was the first to install the full Garmin electronics package including autopilot so I’m going to assume they’ve learned a lot since then. The new installation pics show considerably more robust hydraulic hose and an extra layer on the end near the connector.
Thad
|
|
|
|
Post by Capt’n Ron on Apr 27, 2020 4:53:18 GMT
Hi Captain Ron - I had a hydraulic hose failure and complete loss of steering yesterday on my 895 with twin 200’s. Was intending to return to Longbranch from gig harbor and luckily had barely left the dock when the steering failed. Next time someone gives me a hard time about having a bow thruster i will ask them to try operating a boat in 20kts of wind with no backup steering. That said, I’m thinking I’ll just have gig harbor boat works repair on Monday since I’m assuming a hydraulic hose can’t be that hard to source? Plus, it appears the existing hoses are pretty thin with no covering. I feel like they should be constructed much more like my bobcat hydraulics 2x the strength with fabric covers. The other thing I’m worried about is the fuel vent. Mine is an early 2017 offshore - does that year require the loop to prevent water intrusion? Hey Bluedog, sorry to hear about the hydraulic issues and I’m glad you weren’t out in the stretch between Gig Harbor and Longbranch when it failed. I could see from my house the winds and waves were really kicking up yesterday and that would have been bad, especially under the Narrows. When my hydraulic failed it was harder than I thought to find a hose, and it took Sundance a bit of time to get one in. Hopefully you can find one nearby. I’d give Jarod a call at Sundance in Portland to see if they have one they can send you, although you mentioned you have multiple failures? Regarding the fuel vent, I believe yours is on the side of the boat and not up on the gunnel like the newer 895’s. The first indication you would notice is having a hard time filling the fuel tank, where it keeps shutting off and you have to fill it very slow. That’s an indication water has gotten in through the fuel vent and flooded the carbon filter, which eventually ends up in the fuel tank. It’s most likely to happen when you are in rough waters where waves wash up over the fuel vent like the conditions you would have faced if you had made the trip yesterday back to Longbranch. Good luck and let us know how it works out. Ron |
|
|
|
Post by lynnardm on Apr 27, 2020 18:40:03 GMT
Thad,
I have an NC895 manual that doesn't match my boat. I don't know what boats it covers, but it doesn't match my boat on a few important items such as the fuel system so I know its older or perhaps the European version build. Sundance did get a new manual which matches my boat. Anyway, the old manual shows the fuel tank vents and the deck fillers on the port and stern, one each side on the outboard angled surface. They are fairly high above the water, but in an extreme situation of perhaps a big following seas it could be possible for salt water to wash up onto this area of the boat. If this happens then "pressurized" sea water could be pushed into the vents and make it into the tanks as happened with Rons 795. The vents and fillers have been moved on my boat to the walkway and salon walls on the port and starboard side. In this area the vents in particular are well protected from sea water. If "pressurized" se water hit the vent on my boat I'd probably be capsizing. I think either P trap location and the P trap design will prevent normal rainwater or wash down water from entering on my boat. But of course if someone took a hose or pressure washer and tried to force pressurized water into the P trap it could probably be done. I've checked my fuel filters after about a year and there was not a drop of water.
On your hydraulics, I'll stand by for more info. If you have multiple failure points and at more than one location and in particular if a hose wasn't rubbing anything then I'd venture a guess that a cause might be something like defective or the wrong hoses, the wrong steering fluid, or an over pressurization of the system.
Lynn
|
|
|
|
Post by ihsan on Apr 27, 2020 23:03:04 GMT
Just a reminder on hydraulics problem. It is not always the hose. I got Garmin autopilot 40 installed into the hydraulic system. As you can see in the picture below, the pump has 3 outlets. The one in the middle with transparent hose, with no pressure, it is just the return, leaked slowly from the pneumatic clamp made in italy. I was only aware of it during the third time out. Luckly the marina was only a few miles away. What we did was we replaced it with an ordinary steel clamp. But the fill the hydraulics again you need the special tool which eliminates air bubbles. This was done by Evinrude service.  ibb.co/fQP0SC5 |
|
|
|
Post by spoof4 on Feb 19, 2021 13:53:06 GMT
Hi
My first post, from UK. I have recently purchased a 795 and have discovered similar damage to steering hoses. Looks like I will have to replace them! I would be interested to know if I have to remove the hose all the way back to the steering column or if there is an intermediate joint somewhere? Any advice/tips on how to go about this gratefully received...
Many Thanks
|
|
|
|
Post by t4vanman on Feb 22, 2021 21:45:27 GMT
Hi mate.
I Think we are on the same pontoon at Yacht Haven.
Have a 755 called 5 Boys. The hoses have been replaced on ours, i think they run all the way back to the helm.
Have modified the angle that the hoses come out of the ram so it can not happen again same as the previous post.
Feel free to ask any questions if you need to.
All the best. John.
|
|
|
|
Post by samtep on Apr 24, 2021 20:10:15 GMT
Hey folks 2017 NC 895 out of Bainbridge Island. I recently learned that the 2017s were not actually built in “NC” and were manufactured in Europe / Poland. This poses a bit of a challenge w parts like fuel water separators not being standard, and more challenging the steering set up on my boat is not standard. Related to this thread, I am getting periodic (not constant) crunchy steering and vibrations in the steering at low speeds (no autopilot). My question is - can anyone recommend a mechanic or shop that can service these early Jenneaus near seattle? Just hauled out for engine service at Jacobsens who are great with Yamahas, but less adept and the nuance of early to US Jeanneau power boats. Appreciate any insight on the steering crunchy problem (no sign of leak but - air in lines?) and mechanic reccos. Willing to travel Tacoma to Blaine.... thanks
|
|
|
|
Post by mhorvath1218 on Nov 3, 2021 16:20:30 GMT
My 2017 795 that I purchased used last year had the same hose damage issue as everyone else for the previous owner. He had the hose replaced, but the installer used a non-stainless fitting where the hose attaches to the outboard and now it has begun to rust heavily. As part of my winterizing, I’d like to replace it so I dont get stranded next season with another leak. My problem is, I cant find the correct fitting information anywhere and no one in this thread has mentioned the part number or dimensions, thread size, etc. I’d really like to attempt to fix it on my own, so does anyone have this information? That would be a huge help!
|
|
