SO 379 and code zero a sail

[optimystic]

I'm getting ready to ask north to build a code zero. Does anyone have experience with the 379 and that sail. Jeanneau offers one as a stock item. I'm looking for performance comments. Cheers

[jdl01]

We purchased the factory supplied code zero and selden furler as part of the total boat package. It is an incredibly versatile sail, working from 50 degrees apparent to 140 degrees. We fly it up to 18 knots true wind speed without overloading the boat. It compensates well for the underpower of the 135 genoa in light air reaches but with no shoulder, it lacks the power of a cruising chute beyond 120 degrees apparent. Since the swept spreaders on the 379 don't allow the mainsail to shape well below about 120 degrees, we have modified our sailing strategies to generally stay within the 30 to 130 degree range of apparent winds. It means about 3 more gybes on a 20 mile run, but we keep up with a 409 with a traditional cruising chute over this distance.
The code zero has added considerably to our enjoyment of the 379.

[optimystic]

 Exactly the information I needed thank you very much for responding hope to see you on the water. Other then your sail do you have a brand preference for a code 0?

[optimystic]

Also how is it to handle with two people?

[jdl01]

Set up and takedown are really easy - we leave the furler attached on the bow all the times with furling lines run aft and sheets snapped to the pulpit. We have an old sausage sailbag left over from racing and the rolled code zero folds in thirds inside with the tack forward ready to attach to the furler. With this arrangement, it is even reasonable to handle single handed although we generally sail as a couple.
The combined deal of the factory offered sail and the selden gear was so good we looked no further. I don't know if the deal is available outside of the initial boat purchase, but I have a lot of confidence in the local North loft to provide good advice and a good product.

[optimystic]

Just ordered the north sails code 0. Do you know where I can find poplars for the 379 and code 0. Or your estimates for 10kts at 75 or so degrees?

thanks again for your help. Your comments were pivotal. 

[pgi409]

Just saw this and wanted to add my 2 cents.

I have a 6 month old 409, and have just been through this same dilemma.

For me, I needed more horsepower in winds less than 10 or 12.  I was convinced a Code zero was the right sail until I saw pics of them.  A code zero tends to be smallish, think 160%, and very flat, with no head that reaches out in front of the forestay.

I ended up going for a reaching asymmetric.  Won't sail down to 50 degrees like a code zero, but will sail down to 60-65 degrees, at least in winds less than 10.  And it goes much steeper downwind, with about 40% more sail area.  And it works just as well with the furler.

For me, this seemed to be the right choice.  If going upwind in light air, I make my trip plan for 5.5 knots VMG, and so I'm probably motoring.  Not sure if the 379 is quite the same as the 409, but the 409 with the 106% is a slug in less than 12.  With a bigger chute, targeted to a different sail angle, for my cruising, I figured I would end up with more opportunity to sail than motor.

If your decision is right for you, that's goodness.  Wanted to share my thinking with you.  To be honest, I first ordered a code zero, then changed to an asymmetric about a week later after continuing to think about it.  Fortunately, my sailmaker (Doyle, out of St. Pete) was easily able to change.

[Deleted]

Opti - my experience much the same as 'pgi'above.
For our 379, I decided on a 900 sqft assymetric spinnaker rigged on 'Karver Top Down' furler.

The (Hyde Sails) assymetric sets well to 65-70deg apparent; powerful reaching to 140-150 deg apparent; even dead downwind the sail is remarkably stable running 'wing & wing'.

Regarding 'top down furlers' - the single continuous furling line to the cockpit ensures very easy/safe singlehanded setting/furling.

Beware however that there is a learning curve - you must ensure that the top half of the sail completes furling before the lower half starts. Unless you ensure this happens, then the lower half will furl in the opposite direction to the top - don't ask!!
Then next time you want the sail, it will not unfurl.
So when furling, you must sail full and control the sheet to prevent above.

[optimystic]

Great feedback. I meet the sail maker next week for measurement and will take your comments so we can discuss. Any idea where to find a polar for the code 0? Cheers

[jdl01]

Hello Opti,
Malcolm sent me a polar diagram in response to my Feb. 8, 2013 post, which is still in the system. The diagram does not indicate the sail selection used, and I have simply assumed [perhaps wrongly] that it applied to the 135% genoa and conventional main.

[MartyB]

Opty,

Go to main Jeanneau.com site, then got to sailboats, previous. Look up 379, I found a vpp link. I'm doing this on phone, so could not tell how good link is. Will assume the one you may need.
Have not figured out copy and paste on this thing.
Time to go into pizza place and get dinner!
Good luck.

Marty

[optimystic]

Thanks Marty. I pulled the Jeanneau polar down. I'm still looking for one referencing the code 0. I'm hoping that since it was an option on the boat someone has it. I didn't find it on the site. Cheers

[MartyB]

Don't quote me, but I believe most Polaris show the biggest jib, and spin. Hence the two overlapped curves per wind speed.

Also, not sure if you race or are planning too, BUT there are shall I say two cove zero styles of sails. One falls into spin territory, the other is classified a really big jib. You will take a rating hit with latter.

Mid girth for a true code zero needs to be 60-70% off foot length uric to count as a spin in rating. You will lose about 5-10 points pointing with this version.
If not racing, the what really becomes a 170-180% jib code zero, points higher, a bit easier to trim, or like old days, is a drifter reacher sail from ior days.
Assuming Jack from north is helping you, he should know differences etc and can advise you better on version of sail you will want.
I'm trying to remember what Chuck skewes from ullman talked about at rendezvous last June.

Marty

[jrosen]

I am preparing to make the same request of North Sails in Salem.  My 379 (Osprey) is number 24 purchased in 2012.  We currently fly both an A2 and an A3 which are both great sails (North Sails).  We race PHRF (ORREZ) and we get smoked in light win.  One of our competitors got a Code 0 and it has been heling them a lot.  I am curious about how the Halyard and the furling lines are rigged.  We have plenty of open blocks at the base of the mast and there is a place for a halyard but no lines in them now.  Also, there is no place to install the tack of the Code 0.  ideas would be welcome thanks in advance