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Post by george2064 on May 27, 2015 2:32:04 GMT
Hi, Newbie on this forum and was looking for some info on NC11.
I am looking to buy a 2014 and was wondering how it is on rough seas?
Also how reliable are the Volvos Diesels (D3-200ZD)
What should I be looking for on this boat?
Is the joystick working in conjunction with the bow thruster (looking at the pictures it seems it has both)
Thank you
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Post by belmar on Jul 1, 2015 23:11:55 GMT
Hi, Newbie on this forum and was looking for some info on NC11. I am looking to buy a 2014 and was wondering how it is on rough seas? Also how reliable are the Volvos Diesels (D3-200ZD) What should I be looking for on this boat? Is the joystick working in conjunction with the bow thruster (looking at the pictures it seems it has both) Thank you Hi George, I was travelling on the Wadden-North Sea for a couple of weeks so I noticed your post just now. Your first question: rough seas: (low) planing speed in head seas until force 6/ 6 feet waves is possible. Plan for trips with force 4 or less head on: than you can cruise at 20 - 25 knots and still have a cup of coffee without ruining the ceiling -)) With following seas you can cope with force 7 to 8. That is: when you have the original Trim tabs installed! Without those your NC 11 will be pounding on the waves even with trimmed-in Z-drives. The NC11 has a moderate V hull (as most boats in this market have) so it is not a wave killer but on the other hand it is less sensitive to rolling than a deeper V hull as on the professional boats (pilot or rescue). The Volvo D3 engines are car engines: you can find them in the Volvo 60 and 70 series. 2.4 liter 5 cilinder and light weight: two D3 diesels weigh as much as one D4 or D6: that influences fuel consumption at planing speeds. With the two 360 liter tanks you can travel at cruise speed (20-25 knots) for about 250 Nm and still have 15 % reserve. The engines are very reliable until know: no failures. But just in case: you have two with separate tanks. I travelled more than 600 Nm with a NC11 before I bought one: that one had bow- thruster and joystick. Based on that experience I bought the boat with joy- stick only. You do not need anything more and using them together is something I have never tried: not nesesary and complicated. When both are on the ship you will probably use the bow thruster when you are used doing so. But with heavy wind or current on the sides you need the power of the engines so: joystick. When you are new to both bow thruster and joystick you probably will use the joystick 95% of the time as I did. What should you be looking for on this boat when buying one? I can make a list of improvements you probably want to make after buying the boat-). But when you buy one: the trimm tabs are important as already mentioned. Please let me know if you want more specific info, Remko |
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Post by george2064 on Jul 2, 2015 12:18:37 GMT
Great info ... thank you!!!
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Post by snowbins on Jul 26, 2015 17:07:56 GMT
Great info ... thank you!!! Hi everyone. We purchased our NC11 last year, and are very pleased with it. We have a an issue with rainwater driving in under the patio doors, however. Has anyone else experienced a problem like this? Regards Snowbins |
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Post by belmar on Jul 27, 2015 14:55:43 GMT
Great info ... thank you!!! Hi everyone. We purchased our NC11 last year, and are very pleased with it. We have a an issue with rainwater driving in under the patio doors, however. Has anyone else experienced a problem like this? Regards Snowbins Hi Snowbins, The rainwater is supposed to get in  .... to a certain extent. But it is not supposed to flow over the wooden cabin floor. Let me explain: there are four panels each sliding in their own U-profile. Rain will flow down over the panels into the profiles and those profiles are all connected trough small horizontal holes: you can see them when you are flat on the floor (gymnastics!). So rainwater will flow 'freely' outside in, and inside out, through those holes. There is one extra profile on the inside, without a panel, that is supposed to be the 'endstation' of all rain floating around. At both ends of one of the middle profiles there are holes which, I suppose, drain the rainwater. Until now I have never checked that because the rain always disappeared before it hit the wooden cabin floor (and it rains a lot in the Netherlands). So: if your rainwater is floating around in the profiles but never hits the floor than everything is ok, if your floor is getting wet something is wrong and in that case I will check if and how draining is functioning on my boat. Just let me know. Remko The picture is a NC14: but the same construction: click to enlarge.  |
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Post by snowbins on Jul 27, 2015 17:29:59 GMT
Good evening to you, George, and thanks very much for that.
Yes, we accept and understand that the rain will find its way into the channels under the doors, and we've seen the drainage holes - which aren't blocked, by the way.
Our boat's marina berth here in St Helier, Jersey, causes here to have her stern facing west. When it is really windy from the W and raining hard, the water comes in and sloshes all over the floor, sometimes tracking in far enough to drop into the lazarette.
Sea Ventures, the agents who sold us the boat last summer, are trying really hard to get Jeanneau to help on this. I have even suggested that the manufacturers might treat us to an awning! Understandably perhaps, Jeanneau's response is that this does not deal with the root of the problem. Then they have said nothing further!
For my part I think that it is a design fault, and wonder if any other NC11 owners have experienced a similar difficulty?
Kind regards,
Snowbins
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Post by belmar on Jul 27, 2015 19:01:12 GMT
Dear Snowbins,
I am afriad George is another person as the one who responded to you. But going into the matter: the fierce west wind may be the factor that changes everything. The wind may be blowing the water out of the profile into the cabin. I think I would try to put a piece of wood tight into the last U profile, the one not used for the panels, about two inches high, and see if that solves the problem. Make it in a way that you can remove it when you go out so you won't stumble -) But it is a guess.......
I have to admit that this is not a very sophisticated solution but when it solves the problem you could think of a better more permanent solution. My suggestion: solve the problem together with your dealer and ask Jeanneau afterwards to 'support' you. Waiting for them to solve it might not be the most time-efficiënt way to deal with it.
(By the way: when the wind is fierce you would probably lose an awning .....-))
Remko
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Post by snowbins on Jul 28, 2015 15:25:34 GMT
Did I respond to your post yesterday evening, Belmar? I thought I had, but can't find it. I'm not terribly good at these forum things  though suppose that I might improve with practice... By the way, how do you work the anchor windlass? I've tried it with the engines running and the light comes on at the switch when one depresses it, but nothing happens at the sharp end! There's absolutely no help to be found in the boat's instruction manual, which is a bit maddening. Best regards, Snowbins |
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Post by belmar on Jul 29, 2015 0:01:28 GMT
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Post by belmar on Jul 29, 2015 0:19:15 GMT
Dear Snowbins, I am afriad George is another person as the one who responded to you. But going into the matter: the fierce west wind may be the factor that changes everything. The wind may be blowing the water out of the profile into the cabin. I think I would try to put a piece of wood tight into the last U profile, the one not used for the panels, about two inches high, and see if that solves the problem. Make it in a way that you can remove it when you go out so you won't stumble -) But it is a guess....... I have to admit that this is not a very sophisticated solution but when it solves the problem you could think of a better more permanent solution. My suggestion: solve the problem together with your dealer and ask Jeanneau afterwards to 'support' you. Waiting for them to solve it might not be the most time-efficiënt way to deal with it. (By the way: when the wind is fierce you would probably lose an awning .....-)) Remko Snowbins, to give you an update on the above post: Today I went to the boat: it was raining and windy. I poored a lot of extra water in the U profiles from the inside: no flooding, all water was finding its way to the drainage holes at both ends of the door profile... so even 'forced' I am not able to replicate your flooding..... So something must be different. Perhaps the draining or the fierce wind in your harbour. Thinking about the solution I could imagine that you block (water resistant tape) the holes leading to the last U profile with exception of the most left en right one: so water can escape from the profile into the drains but you will slow down the effect of wind blowing water on your cabin floor....perhaps.....just thinking out loud. Kind regards Remko |
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Post by belmar on Jul 29, 2015 20:15:16 GMT
Talking about rain: what is the difference in blind spot during rain between these two pictures of the NC 11?   |
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Post by snowbins on Aug 5, 2015 19:28:53 GMT
Thank you so much for your two responses, Remko (is that your name - I find all this stuff rather confusing? My name is Tony, though my mother still calls me Anthony when she's cross with me, which is quite often, albeit I'm in my sixties now, and a Judge.) I'm sorry to be a bit slow in responding, but have been driving at Le Mans for a couple of days in our GT3: that's one of my other passions. Thank you for your helpful advice, Remko. You are really on the ball. I wish that the factory were. Jeanneau have gone silent upon both Sea Ventures and me because I'm in no doubt that we have identified a fairly significant design fault, and they don't know what to do about it. I'd be happy with a strong awning that protects the boat during the winter from the W gales. Sure, that's not addressing the root of the problem, but do you know what, I don't care much any more what the root of the problem is any more? I just want a dry boat! And by the way, I don't think that this is too much to ask. Do you? All the best - Tony |
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Post by belmar on Aug 7, 2015 6:58:38 GMT
Thank you so much for your two responses, Remko (is that your name - I find all this stuff rather confusing? My name is Tony, though my mother still calls me Anthony when she's cross with me, which is quite often, albeit I'm in my sixties now, and a Judge.) I'm sorry to be a bit slow in responding, but have been driving at Le Mans for a couple of days in our GT3: that's one of my other passions. Thank you for your helpful advice, Remko. You are really on the ball. I wish that the factory were. Jeanneau have gone silent upon both Sea Ventures and me because I'm in no doubt that we have identified a fairly significant design fault, and they don't know what to do about it. I'd be happy with a strong awning that protects the boat during the winter from the W gales. Sure, that's not addressing the root of the problem, but do you know what, I don't care much any more what the root of the problem is any more? I just want a dry boat! And by the way, I don't think that this is too much to ask. Do you? All the best - Tony Tony, To end all confusion: the Belmar is NC 11 nr. 181 and ours. My name is Remko now posting to you from the cockpit seat of the Belmar in the centre of sunny Gent (B). The NC 11 can travel almost anywhere -) My last post about the wipers is perhaps a nice example of how Jeanneau is coping with 'design faults' or 'room for improvement'. I stated that the way they mounted the wipers originally was not only very ugly but also giving me a terrible black spot in bad weather conditions in the upper left corner. They promissed to change it. Total silence followed. A year later I noticed that the new models (2015) are now almost the same as in the first picture (DIY by my dealer, the wiper supplier and myself). So my experience is that Jeanneau does react on this kind of customer remarks but they do it in a 'Southern' way. That being said: that 'Southern way' also gave birth to this exellent designed boat at a reasonable price. That does not solve your problem but some DIY and reporting that to Jeanneau perhaps will... (You never know how the 2017 model will look like without it-) I am interested in your user experience with the NC 11 in general so if you want to share some of that with me I would appreciate it. You can mail me direct if you want at belmar@maretax.nl See you on the water, Remko |
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Post by snowbins on Aug 12, 2015 22:48:37 GMT
Hi Remko. I'm sorry to be so late in getting back to you, but we've been away, tracking the GT3 again.
The weather here has been very bad for boating, sadly.
Jeanneau has at last acknowledged that there might be a problem and are sending an engineer here to Jersey to inspect the boat. Wow!
Watch this space, though - the French tend to take the whole month of August off... So I suppose that we shan't see anyone from the factory until sometime next month. But at least it's a start.
Thanks very much for your help and support. I shall keep you posted.
Meanwhile, please keep me informed about your travels; my Missus can't - won't - go anywhere unless the sea is flat calm, which rather restricts me...
All best wishes,
Tony
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Post by snowbins on Aug 13, 2015 15:46:42 GMT
I forgot to thank you for your advice about the anchor windlass, Remko. I don't think that I've been disengaging the failsafe pawl...  I shall go to the boat on Saturday and try it out. It's also interesting that one can lower the anchor by using a winch handle rather than the windlass motor. I have no real experiences to share with you as we've taken the boat away only three times - and that was last year, not once this year, very sadly. I tend to run her at about 22, 23 knots to save fuel. In choppy conditions I take it down to 10 or 12 and use the trim-tabs, which is a new experience for me. In moderate to rather rough conditions last year I was down to 9 knots, but there was no thumping or banging, and very little spray on the windscreen. I agree that the wipers aren't very effective at clearing the areas of the screen through which one wants to look when seated at the helm. No doubt that problem has been fixed on later models. Ours is a 2013 build. We bought the Sea Ventures demonstrator at the Jersey Boat Show last year. One tip I could give you - though you probably know it already - is that the boat runs immensely more quietly with the patio doors closed. The difference is amazing. I think that doing so must help the vessel's balance as well. Have you used your NC11 much? It sounds as if you have. Best - and thanks again Tony |
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Post by belmar on Aug 15, 2015 16:39:18 GMT
I forgot to thank you for your advice about the anchor windlass, Remko. I don't think that I've been disengaging the failsafe pawl... I shall go to the boat on Saturday and try it out. It's also interesting that one can lower the anchor by using a winch handle rather than the windlass motor. I have no real experiences to share with you as we've taken the boat away only three times - and that was last year, not once this year, very sadly. I tend to run her at about 22, 23 knots to save fuel. In choppy conditions I take it down to 10 or 12 and use the trim-tabs, which is a new experience for me. In moderate to rather rough conditions last year I was down to 9 knots, but there was no thumping or banging, and very little spray on the windscreen. I agree that the wipers aren't very effective at clearing the areas of the screen through which one wants to look when seated at the helm. No doubt that problem has been fixed on later models. Ours is a 2013 build. We bought the Sea Ventures demonstrator at the Jersey Boat Show last year. One tip I could give you - though you probably know it already - is that the boat runs immensely more quietly with the patio doors closed. The difference is amazing. I think that doing so must help the vessel's balance as well. Have you used your NC11 much? It sounds as if you have. Best - and thanks again Tony Tony, The Belmar has about 400 engine hours now. On the test trip with another NC11 we did about 60 engine hours. And it all started in 2013. Most times our trips contain a mix of inland and open water. The NC 11 is great for that purpose: small locks, low bridges, crossing the Baltic or North Sea: it is all possible when you avoid the extremes. The trim tabs are indeed extremely usefull to maintain a smooth ride in choppy conditions: combined with the trim of the engines. We also opted for the joy-stick witch works very intuïtieve and powerfull. The wipers: I think you can replace the wiperarms and blades with the 2015 models but I am not sure if they fit on the existing wiper engines: your dealer can find that out. The doors: you are right about the noise but on sunny days..... Putting all doors to the starboard side makes a nice balance with my weight on the helm position on the port side -)) Hope to get a update from you on the flooding and the windlass! See you on the water, Remko |
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Post by snowbins on Aug 15, 2015 18:11:49 GMT
Hi Remko.
Yes, we have sorted out our anchoring problems. There's an enabler under the floor (the one nearer to the transom) and obviously someone - quite possibly me - had inadvertently flicked it into the off position at some point when we were dealing with the water ingress issues.
The switch having been duly moved, the windlass is now behaving perfectly, I'm pleased to say: even without the engine/s running, which is quite a surprise.
But I've turned the switch back to off under the floorboards, as I'd hate to hit the drop anchor switch on the console in a blow instead of putting the windscreen wipers on or something! We shall definitely know when - if - we need to drop the anchor in a hurry!
We are off tomorrow for three days, two nights, to Saint-Cast, which is about 7 Km, from memory, E of Saint-Malo. Our first trip to La Belle France of the year, and unless we're very lucky, also our last - so we're really looking forward to it. It is a lovely boat.
By the way, we are at just over 50 hours, so you have a lot more experience on the water with this vessel than we do!
All the best
Tony
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Post by belmar on Sept 25, 2015 21:24:57 GMT
Tony, One way or another I am not always receiving a notice mail when a post is made: so I am sorry but I have missed your last one! I take it that in the mean while you have returned from Saint-Cast and are still alive and well. I hope you have enjoyed the trip. The anchor: sometimes you have to start with the basics: current? . One small remark: it only works with the engine off when the engine ignition is on. I share your concern about accidently using the anchor drop switch. I have solved that by re-arranging the switches so it is all more logic and less risky ( after accidently switching off the plotter in stead of the demister) Is there any news on the flooding issue? Have you planned another trip yet? All the best, Remko |
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Post by belmar on Sept 25, 2015 21:33:02 GMT
The anchor switch banned to the low right.....  |
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.... to a certain extent. But it is not supposed to flow over the wooden cabin floor. 
though suppose that I might improve with practice...
I shall go to the boat on Saturday and try it out. It's also interesting that one can lower the anchor by using a winch handle rather than the windlass motor.