Wintering in Andalucia Spain

[hoppy]

Whilst at the London Boat Show I got talking to a woman at the Andalucia region marina stand. It reminded my of my fondness for that part of Spain, memories of been there, Spanish women and the fact that in 4 months of travelling in Spanish speaking countries I learn to speak more Spanish than I have learnt to Speak Swedish in 14 years

This year I am heading west from Greece and to be realistic I don't think at the end of the year I will be planning to cross the pond (I think I will want 1 more year in the med). The winter climate seems to be quite mild in Andalucia and can be dry up around Almeria so it could be a good place to winter.

Looking at the number of marinas along the coast it has got me thinking that rather than booking into one marina for 5 or so months, just spend a week or two in a marina and when I feel in the mood for a change to move down the coast.

I know a couple of you have boats in Spain and wonder if you think moving around is possible? In Greece doing that is very possible as the marinas are half empty because so many boats are hauled out, is Spain the same?

I assume or at least hope not being in 1 marina for the whole winter will make it easier to avoid being caught up in the Matriculation Tax... Actually a bit of time in a Gib marina would be nice.

[sailbleu]

How about this
www.worldweatheronline.com/Marina-Di-Ragusa-weather/Sicilia/IT.aspx

After all, you're partially responsable for us being there, remember ,
Already wired the advance/downpayment for the next winter , total price will be the same as this winter season at 1250 Euro for 7 months ( oktober-april for 40 footer). Water & power not included of course.

Regards

[hoppy]

Jan 14, 2015 10:09:22 GMT sailbleu said:

After all, you're partially responsable for us being there, remember ,

LOL

Based on today's weather, I should stay where I am www.worldweatheronline.com/Corfu-weather/Kerkira/GR.aspx

Where I would happily keep my boat for winter and where I would like to keep myself are 2 very different things

[vasko]

www.marinaalicante.com/index.php





price is good, services very good, marine place amazing - in the top center of Alicante, direct bus to the airport 15 min stops at the marina



if you want a cheap price you can try : ( about 1K less for my size boat)





www.marinadunas.es/



again extremely good place/service but not so much fun like in Alicante..







another amazing place is ( but on the French/Spanish border ) - direct trains to Girona, Barcelona and Perpignian very picturesqe and amazing village





www.portdeportbou.cat/

[vasko]

in the Ionian... I think the cheapest options are ~:

1. Nidri - there was a Australian guy there who give you a buy ( no mater boat size) and look after your boat for 2.75 EUR a day

2. Vasiliki - just leave the boat and find some local guy to look from time to time on it... number of British boats winter there for free

3. Kefalonia/Argostoli - very SAFE harbor - again just leave the boat there and agree with someone local to take a look..

4. Palairos oposite Nidri in on the mainland, again can winter for free , number of boats wintering there , very safe place too

[On y va]

The matricula is not a problem at all anymore for foreigners. If you are not staying more than a year. But even longer, it is still not an issue.
VAT can be though. But if you have a VAT certificate or the original invoice showing VAT, then all is ok.

Spain has lost all court cases in regards to matricula within the European Courts, especially the ones relating to foreign flagged boats over 15 metres that wanted to charter.
Also, nearly all spanish boat buyers (new and or second hand) are now registering their boats onto belgian flags, thus avoiding the much strickter safety regulations for spanish boats (which are somewhat over the top). Before this was impossible, as the spanish (as usual) ignored all european regulations and laws. But Spain has to bow to European rules and regulations now.

Because Spain had to borrow billions of Euros from Europe, Europe squeezed Spains nuts quite a bit about implementing European rules and regulations, which to some degree has been good 

[hoppy]

Jan 15, 2015 12:19:05 GMT vasko said:

1. Nidri - there was a Australian guy there who give you a buy ( no mater boat size) and look after your boat for 2.75 EUR a day

You better watch out with the Aussies, can be a bit shifty. Whilst you are away maybe they'll a few illegals over to Bari to earn some drinking money

[vasko]

 

He repaired my sails season mid season 2013 and I was happy with the job except it toooook tooooooooooo long about a week  

[hoppy]

Do you guys know if the marina's in southern Spain are half empty in winter like the are in Greece because of the haul-outs?

[vasko]

in my current area - around alicante marinas are full all year round and no one is keeping the boats on hard during winter like in greece...



but spain is very different from greece I actually sailed last weekend weather was great 20 degree on shade and 30 degree on sun almost 30% of the boats were out , in brief winter is good sailing season and no point keeping the boat on the hard...



cheapest place in spain as far as i can tell is shiny new marina near Valencia - Burriana Nova



personally I've decided to leave spain and move to france, got a mooring in St Cyprien for £25K , 23 years lease and service charge 1450 EUR per year and moving there from May \ 2015

[vladis]

Hello,

At present I am at Douro Marina (Portugal) but I spent 2 winters (2011 and 2013) in Burriana, some 50Kms east of Valencia. Burriana is superb, both in price and facilities. The airport of Valencia is less than one hour drive and it is possible to rent a car per 30 euros/week, or, less during winter months. In 2012 I was in Brindisi (where I expect to return next winter). Mooring prices are only a bit more expensive than Burriana, but the marina has also good facilities and there are buses from the marina to the nearby airport. From Brindisi I can easily reach Croatia or Greece (Ionion). One drawback, when comparing Brindisi with Burriana, is the cost for the haul-out for antifouling (Burriana was about 500 euros for a 40 foot boat including the antifouling, while in Brindisi, I had to pay about 1500 euros on a shipyard for the same service).

Regarding Andalucia - I spent 1 or 2 days in some of these ports last August, when I was coming from the Baleares to Portugal. I had no problems in getting a place (transit berth) but I know that many Spanish boats go to the Baleares in the summer (may be not so much from Andalucia as from Valencia or Catalunha). There is a site with all the information on Andalucia ports:

www.eppa.es/en/andalusian-ports

About half of them as managed by the government of Andalucia and have identical prices. If you look to the mooring prices here:

www.puertosdeandalucia.es/tarifa-de-atraque

you will see that they have daily prices (high and low season) and anual prices. There is no winter price as far as I know. Given the relatively low cost for one day mooring in the winter, it will be in favour of what you plan.

Kind Regards, Vladis

ps: Marina Aldecaisa, near Gilbraltar, is very good and they were very active in promoting their marina, last week in Dusseldorf