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Post by schocktherapy on Apr 29, 2011 20:22:59 GMT
Hello everyone,
I am in the process of researching my next boat, and the Jeaneaus are at the top of the list so far. More specifically we really like the SunFast 37. (The newer 36i Performance is my favorite, but is out of my price range) . We are also considering other models, but I want to learn more about them first. I am a long time racer, so naturally I am looking for the better performers. For example I do not want a shoal draft keel, I dont want to sacrifice windward performance, and the deeper draft will not be an issue in our waters.
Can anyone bring me up to speed on which models in the35-37 range, year 2000 and newer, I should be looking for? Are there particular yearsthat are better than others? Any issues to watch out for?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Post by Don Reaves on Apr 29, 2011 22:59:36 GMT
Well, you mentioned not going for a shoal draft keel. That's good. It would have been my first recommendation. Definitely go for the SunFast series if you can, rather than the Sun Odyssey.
And finally, figure the price of new sails into your purchase package. I've heard that really good sails would solve the problem I have with my SO35, which is a tendency to round up in the puffs, and a disappointing reluctance to point high. I wish I could free up some funds and replace my 5 year old factory sails.
Good luck.
Don
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Post by MartyB on Apr 30, 2011 1:02:16 GMT
The SF35 is generally speaking rated faster than the SF37. At least here in Puget sound, the 35 is rated some 20 secs per mile faster. BUT< there are a LOT fewer of them than the 37 floating around. At one time, maybe still, the 37' shell the SO/SF37 were based on, was the MOST produced Jeanneau model.
The SF37 does have a lead keel vs the 35 being iron. The SO's in both have iron keels. There is also a 32, and a 40 floating here and there too. I happened to look last night, there are about 4 SF37's, for sale, nothing else, other than a smattering of SF3200's in the N America any how. If I had a choice, there is a 3200 on the east coast for 120K, the 37's are in the same range of 120-140 or so. There were 2-3 other 3200's about 15xK.
The deep keel of the SF's are 6-8" deeper than the deep SO keel. Along with a mast that is about 3' taller. The 36iP frankly, is probably not as fast or as powered up as an SF35, nor will it be as fast as a 3200. If you could find a 36iP with a 3' taller mast, vs the 1' taller, then maybe. The 39iP is probably the MOST powered up of the current SO models vs the non P versions. Many of those are rating int he upper 70 to lower 80 range, vs an SF35 at 105 local, 37's at 120, I have not seen a 36i or 36iP rated to know where they stand, but would swag to be in the 110-130 range also. There are a few racing the 36i's, but not sure what the ratings are. IRC they are being reported just under 1.000, which should go over to a 105-120 or there abouts.
If you go to the main Jeanneau site, there is some specs, brochures etc on there, as there is at jeanneau-owners.com, brochures and some reviews from the past that malcolm has put together.
marty
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Post by schocktherapy on May 2, 2011 3:07:40 GMT
It's interesting that the SF35 is rated faster than the 37. Is that a factor of simple SA/D numbers or is there hull form and foil shape differences that make the 35 faster? I haven't been on a SF35; how does the interior differ from the 37? where does it loose the extra 2 ft? The iron keel is unfortunate, that is a big negative in my opinion.
While I am a performance sailor, racing is not my primary consideration on this boat as I get my racing fix on other peoples full-on race boats. I am sure I will do a bit of club racing, but definitely more cruising. I just want to get there a bit faster and point a bit higher if needed!
Don Reaves,
As a racer i have pretty high standards as far as sails go, but I would definitely expect to get more than 5 years out of a suit of sails! My current boat's cruising sails are quite old but still have decent shape thanks to the occasional re-cut by my local sailmaker. Unless your sails were made by some 3rd rate internet loft in China you should still have plenty of life left in them. Talk to your local sail maker and show him some pictures of your sails trimmed for upwind. Take them from a low angle looking up. Your pointing and balance problems may also be a factor of your mast tune. You would be amazed at the difference a few inches more or less mast rake can make! A few hours labor for a rigger and a sailmaker is a whole lot cheaper than 10k for new sails!
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Post by MartyB on May 2, 2011 7:08:00 GMT
Generally speaking, not much difference is floorplans. WL is with in 2" on both, 35 slightly less, but with out relooking up the SA/disp, the 35 may be a bit higher, but the hull form is also a bit faster/better etc.
From a interior perspective, wife luvs the head shower area of the two cabin in both, similar to the 36i. So if you have a wife like mine, the 2 cabin in either would be better. Overall interior room, probably a bit more in the 37, but frankly, at least for me, if funds were ther for either, i would go with the 35, save a few bucks in moorage fees, sail costs etc. The iron keel frankly is not a big deal. The one on my boat is 25 yrs old, it has to my knowledge needed one complete grind down and new epoxy, otherwise, a few blister quick fixes every couple of year with bottom paint. Last time out it was 2.5 yrs since the redo, no issues other than repaint. Porbably next time I will have some blisters to repair, normal talking to original owner of the first 20 yrs.
You will have a hard time finding SF35's and there were less, due to a 3-4 yr run vs 7-8 for the 37. You might find deeper keel SO35 to your liking, or even the SO37. Generally speaking, the SF35 seems to get better speed reviews vs the 37.
If you need polars for either boat, ie the SF35/37 I have them, and IIRC I have some for the 36i and 36iP. They might also be online at the other owners site that malcolm has too.
Marty
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Post by schocktherapy on May 3, 2011 16:19:36 GMT
I have noticed that the SF37 has the traveller in the cockpit, and the SO has it on the cabin top. Is that the case on all Sun Fasts or was it an option? Does that mean that there is no cockpit table on the SF? I am torn because I like the mainsheet and traveller close at hand, but I know my wife prefers a clear cockpit and she would like a table. She understands the benefits of sheeting further aft but is content using a winch on the mainsheet. It makes it pretty tough to keep the boat flat in the gusts when she is not on deck to work the main. With the big fat transom I am guessing that excessive heel is not a good thing on these boats!
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Post by MartyB on May 4, 2011 4:31:18 GMT
ALL the SF's that I have seen had cockpit traveller's. The SO's on the cabin top. "HERE" is a link to the other part of this site, in the hints and tips area a table a fellow north of me in BC made for his SF35. WHile the stock table in the SO's is NOT on the SF's, you could with some ingenuity install a table. The P versions of the newer rigs also have travellers on the cabin top too. I personally would prefer to have the traveller in the cockpit, yeah, it takes up some room, but I would rather have the convenience of working the traveller from the cockpit when single or double sailing vs the cabin top. Some of the older models, like my arcadia, the sunshine's had the traveller in the cockpit just behind the cabin. Marty |
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Post by davideso37 on May 5, 2011 11:41:31 GMT
Shocktherapy,
If you get a SF37 you will fall in love with it. Yes it does have a traveler across the cockpit but this is its only vice. The advantage is it can have a longer boom with an E measurement of 4.8 metres compared to 3.87m on a 36ip. That means the mainsail is much larger and powerful.
Our yacht is a SO37 but it was so underpowered that we put a new rig in it with a similar genoa size to the SO37 but a slightly taller mast. Because our keel is not as heavy as the SF37 we carry some internal ballast so we perform very much like the SF37. We leave the 36ip behind. I don't know about SF35's because there are non on our waters. You can get SF37 up to late 2005 which would be in very good condition or as early as 2000. I think they are the pick of the crop but I am biased.
Regards
David
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Post by schocktherapy on May 11, 2011 1:22:11 GMT
I tend to agree that the SF37 (or35)is the boat to target! The wife will just have to deal with the traveller in the cockpit! I dont want a table deployed while I am sailing anyway! Its a small price to pay for easier single handing, more power on the mainsheet and a more powerful mainsail. I am just going to have to keep an eye out for the right deal, and hopefully I will have the finances ready to pounce when it comes along.
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Post by corksailor on May 22, 2011 20:59:47 GMT
I have an So 35 for sale in Cork Ireland
having the mainsheet on the coachroof is the best option for cruising also
Chose your sails carefully as the So 35 will not take a backstay tensioner
For light air racing the 35 has the advantage
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Post by schocktherapy on May 25, 2011 5:43:29 GMT
Why can't you put an adjustable backstay on the SO35? Is there a big difference in masts between the SO and the SF series?
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Post by MartyB on May 25, 2011 14:17:24 GMT
Shock,
You COULD aftermarket an adjustible back stay on an SO, they come std with an SF, but NOT the SO. Some of the other items an SF has vs the SO, line control jib/genoa carrs, typically a 4-1 w4-1 micro mainsheet, taller mast by 1-3', more sail area, upgraded dac/mylar sails vs dac sails, bigger winches in some cases, and a winch on BOTH sides of the cabin top vs one, Spin halyard and 2 vs one jib halyard, deeper keel, in the case of the SF/SO37, lead on the SF vs iron on the SO.
Marty
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