Sun Shine 36 - replacing the main sheet traveller

[msafiri]

Dear All,

Time to change the main sheet traveller on my Sun Shine 36. It is an old, Amiot made system (pictures are uploaded), which has faulty stoppers. Due to its age, the stoppers are not blocking the rope and when the boat is rocking, it cant keep the traveller in its position.

I decided that it is too dangerous to use and to replace before the next spring. I tried to figure out how it is fixed, but had no luck to find the nuts. I believe that the nuts are somehow fixed at the bottom of the deck.

Does anyone have any experiences with this? Is it possible to remove and replace with a Lewmar made system?

I appreciate your help,

Cheers,

MSafiri

[MartyB]

What you will probably find like I did with my 85 Arcadia, is the track does not work with newer systems. So for me, it was a complete redo to Harken. Or as you say, you could also do Lewmar, or Goiot has new systems, and even has parts for the systems that came with our boats.

Pretty simple process actually, done in about 3-5 hrs. It does help to have a couple of you. You will need to remove some of the interior liner above the engine compartment. I personally went with a 4-1/16-1 micro and the windward sheeting carr from Harken.

Marty

[msafiri]

Hi Marty,

Thanks alot for the extremely quick reply.

I checked with Goiot and the system I have is not available anymore. I am planning a complete replacement.

I was not able to upload the photos, but the traveller system is actually before (if we look at from the stern) the engine compartment. On the pic I sent, you can see that the dashboard is right under the system. I found 3 nuts only, above the dashboard, totally stained, but when I tried to locate the others I found none.

I plan to have a friend there, when changing. But first I need to know which track type I should select, the one with holes already or the newer model.

Cheers,

MSafiri

[MartyB]

The bolts are probably just ebfore the actual compartment, but above it in my boat. I think I have a photo of about where somewhere, will try to find it. If you go to the other part of the jeanneau site, to the hints and tips, and look for Arcadia heads and aft stateroom redo's, you might be able to see where the nuts are from the traveler track.

Anyway, I used a not premade hole track. IE harkens tall small boat traveler track where the bolts slide in a track at the bottom, and you can choose the holes. I then used the old track holes by drilling out 2-4mm or so bigger for the bigger bolt size I needed. This made it such that I did not have to drill new holes, and fill old ones. I figured the minimal extra for this style of track made up for the PITA to fill the old holes! I do not recall Lewmar having an option like this. But I was also pretty set on getting the Harken windward sheeting carr, which no one else at the time had anything similar.

I would imagine you should get and use and would I use the mid size boat track and gear if I had an SS36 like you vs the small boat parts I used.

Here is a pic with the new car, track, and the 4-1 macro, and 4-1 for total of 16-1 micro adjust at the dock. You should have a carr in the same area from what I recall on the one local SS36 I have been aboard.



Marty

[msafiri]

Hi Marty,

Yes, I am planning to use similar system like yours. I will be on the boat this weekend (toilette and bow cabin varnishing, replacement of cover - just like yours) and will have a look for the nuts where you mentioned. I try to take some photos.

You made a great job on your boat!

Cheers,

MSafiri

[MartyB]

You will find bolts in the head area, aft cabin assuming you have a two room setup, not a double aft rooms. Pretty much right under where the track is. Like I said, my bolts were pretty small in diam initially, the new ones were bigger.

This is one of those, I know how I did it, why etc, you on the other hand, may have a better way than I did 2-3 yrs ago due to newer parts from other manufactures.

Marty

[msafiri]

My setup is pretty similar to yours. I will have a good look on Saturday and will try to take some pictures.
Thanks for the info about the screw diameter. The ones I found were like M5, and I was thinking that it is just too small compared to the head which is visible.

Cheers,

MSafiri

[MartyB]

Good luck this weekend,

I actually found ALL of my deck hardware I replaced, seemed to have too small a screw diam vs the head size. This can be good in some cases frankly, but..... not sure in this instance it was good.

The other I found, was they used std washers behind the nuts, I switched to fender washers, which are about double the diam of std ones. Example, an 8mm = M8?!?!?! not used to metric sizing, but think I have it sorta figured out..... the 8 mm bolt might have a 12-15mm washer, a fender washer would be 20-25mm in diam, so more backing area for the bolt/nut torque/tension to hold and not compress into fiberglass or other material between the two.

I should be around this weekend, post if you have a question. I think you are about 15 hrs ahead of me, its 9:40pm friday as I am typing this. WOuld be a good day of sailing tomorrow here, cold, just above freezing, ie might be below tonight, but clear, usually for us, a nice NW winds 10-15 knots or so. But I have xmas lights all over her at my marina. so no sailing this weekend, nor do I have to go to the mtns and teach ski class's.... not sure both being a no go is good!

here is a link to the replacement of my genoa cars, with a few pics, hopefully this will help some too! There is a picture of the fender washers on the underside to see a comparison. If the fender washers go by a different name over there in France.

www.jeanneau-owners.com/hintsandtips/towablegenoacarandtrack.html

marty

[msafiri]

Hi Marty,

Weekend is over, back in the snow blocked Paris. Well, it was great. My boat is slightly different than yours. The nuts are not covered by the ceiling! What I found is that just at the entry of the cabin, still not covered with the lining, there are three black plastic plugs. I always thought that they are the standard plugs for the cables to go to the displays. I have removed them and found access to the nuts!

You are right, they are very small in diameter. What made me look for the screws what that the head size is not in-line with the diameter of the screw. I guess they were using some nonstandard screws.

Now I have only 2 screws left to find and then figure out how to remove them gonna be hard as they are totally covered with rust.

Thanks alot for the ideas.

Merry xmas and Happy New Year to all of you.

MSafiri

[msafiri]

Marty,

One more question. I followed the link and noticed that you have a nice window on your boat. Well, my original window was cracked and decided to replace them. Hired a guy in the port who claimed (and confirmed by the others) that he knows what he is doing. I got my replacement, which cracked and leaking at almost every screw where it is fixed. I decided to do it on my own the next time.

How you did it? Have you managed to get the original drawings? or removed the old one and made your drawing?

Cheers,

MSafiri

[MartyB]

MS,

My cabin windows are original. Altho they are a bit glazed or scared a bit. Not sure which is the right word. But no cracks as of yet. I have had some leaking issues on the port window, and have had to rebed the screw/bolts a few times. The original owner had to do the same in his 20 yr of ownership too. The glazing if you will, does not really effect the window, more just looking thru and seeing the scratches if you will on the outside. I recall someone in the hints and tips doing a window replacement with a GinnFizz? or equal boat of our time frame. Might be worth looking there for an idea on how too.

If I had to replace them......oh boy.... I would probably take some heavy paper, butcher paper or rolled brown shipping paper or equal that I could tape to the fiberglass outside of the window, then trace along the edge the size. Take this template and put on the new window. I would probably use Lexon or equal, Cut slightly larger, and shape at the boat. I would also probably do this on the hard vs at my slip if at all possible. This might allow me to cover the cabin so rain would not get in etc. easier than in my slip.

My window is also in two parts, a front and aft, with a joint that has been siliconed in between, with the parts "V'ing" inward, so the filler is thicker against the side of the cabin. I just rebeded the top, so I can not get a pic to show what I am hoping I have explained. When I redid the windows a month or so ago, I covered the window area with a tarp. WOrked for installing new silicone, but would not want to replace a window this way. I'm also using "silicone" in a generic sense, as there is another product that is better for bedding of the windows.

marty