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Post by braehouse on Aug 12, 2006 11:47:01 GMT
Anybody got one yet or seen one in the flesh? This is high on my priority list and would welcome feedback good or bad.
Thanks
Chris
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Post by MartyB on Aug 13, 2006 6:05:12 GMT
I saw one last spring here in the NW US. Nice boat, roomy etc. I have to be honest, not my style of boat! But overall, if that design style was my one I would look at, she is nice.
I am more thinking in line of the 39i or a SF35 If i went with the current Jeanneau offerings.
Spouse and I do not like the cat eye windows. But they do let a lot of light in! Nor so we personally like the table in the middle of the cockpit, takes up too much room for manuvering etc.
Just some of my dislikes per say, but as some will say, looks are in the eye of the beholder! There is at least one on here with a DS, but I believe a larger version. Some of there comments to how that rig sails etc may be a better comment than mine from seeing the 39DS last spring at a show.
Marty
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Post by braehouse on Aug 13, 2006 17:09:49 GMT
Hi MartyB
Thanks for the reply. Funny we have looked at the 39i and that did not do anything for us at all. The aft cabin was not great, not very roomy for such a big boat.
Not sure that I like the look of the new style of window now either, much preferred them when they went to a point, guess thats why I prefer the DS to a certain extent. Think I may have to wait until Southampton before making up my mind.
Cheers
chris
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Post by MartyB on Aug 13, 2006 17:24:29 GMT
Chris,
After posting that answer, I looked at brochures and dealers site, and realize a 39DS has not gotten here to my part of US, it was teh first 42DS! SO I guess I should eat some crow pie or do the open mouth, insert foot!
But I would swag that even if it had been a 39DS, there were 42 and 49 DS versions at this show, I would have the same comments, just as you do for the 39i, which the first one showed up sold a week or so ago here in the Seattle Wa area.
Like all things, boats have designs, some of us like them, some of us don't, and the cateyes of the DS are a definite you like or hate them!
GOod luck on your venture.
Marty
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Post by mdrsailman on Aug 15, 2006 3:03:38 GMT
I have looked for 3 years for a new boat and until the 42DS I had no interest in a new boat. I love the deck salon model. Alllows lots of light and is bery roomy with lots of storage. The aft beth is huge and unlike the bene or catalina centerline you wont fall out of bed. I also know other owners who have this boat and love it. Im not sure of the 39DS or what the price is but after all my research you cant beat the DS. I happen to love the windows( my wife thinks the look is sexy and not run of the mill like other boats. Also the woodwork is beautiful. I added an ice maker, a real mattress and upgraded batteries etc. Looked at Catalina,Bene,Bavaria. A no brainer I bought the 42ds.
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Post by braehouse on Aug 15, 2006 4:32:29 GMT
Hi Mdrsailman
My thoughts exactly. I have looked at the 42DS and she is a fantastic boat.........just slightly out of budget and slightly too large for what will normally just be 2 people hence my interest in the 39.
Did you specify a bowthruster? If not/so how is the marina handling?
Thanks and regards
Chris
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Post by zzmeyer on Aug 15, 2006 22:34:49 GMT
I have a 42DS without bow thruster. Maneuvers better than any boat I've had. I'm replacing three blade fixed prop this week with three blade MaxProp. Having had the prop on similar sized boat, handling should be even better. If the 39DS has the same poor main saloon ventilation as the 42DS, save your money for air conditioning as those big windows let in a lot of light (aka heat).
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Post by braehouse on Aug 16, 2006 7:10:14 GMT
Given the recent ups and downs with the weather here in the UK air con may now be a realistic option!
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Post by basher on Aug 16, 2006 9:17:28 GMT
I too have gone for the 42ds and am waiting.......................it really does seem to be everything that I personally have been looking for in a boat....................however, had the 39ds been around, I have to say, size-wise I would have gone for it................. keep the comments coming......all very helpful for a nervous new boat owner.
Good luck...................I´m sure you are on the right track!!
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Post by braehouse on Aug 19, 2006 8:28:29 GMT
Okay, continuing the subject.................
Now looking at the options list and wondered what you guys specified?
To date I am thinking..........
Teak cockpit floor Spinnaker gear......not sure whether symmetrical or asymmetrical (whats the difference?) Cleats at max beam Outboard bracket Halyard tail bags Cockpit cushions Bow thruster Upgrade on oven to include grill. Cabin heating system Jeanneau crockery and cutlery x3!!! The Blue bresil fabric 2 extra batteries Rope cutter Nav pack E80 plotter and radar (will probably put an extra display in the cockpit) Comm pack.
Phew........works out at about £120K list.
Sailing for 1st year will be mainly coastal with some channel crossing and then next year hopefully off to the med with an eventual destination of Bulgaria!!
Any thoughts? Also curious what other boats you considered as competition? I like the look of the Elan and a second hand Hallberg has a certain appeal also Maxi seem quite quick!
Cheers
Chris
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Post by mdrsailman on Aug 21, 2006 2:09:35 GMT
I looked at the Elan. Good boat but good luck finding a dealer to service your boat. Also the stern is butt ugly. You do not need a bow thruster on the 42 DS. I put in 6 batteries (600ah)and starting battery (with crossover)and upgraded to larger balmar alternator 110amp, and also Duo Charge. Went with a combo battery carrger and bildge monitor ( dont like the link 2000) . E-80 at cockpit table and monitor and remote at nav station( Much less . expensive.than another E-80). Prosine 1800 inverter and remote unit for autopilot. 26" . monitors for the main cabin port and same size for the Aft stateroom. Canvass should be high quality with stratoglass and cushions closed celled. Also added remote for windlass in cockpit, galvonic isolator,tappan microwave, deisel heater. Spiniker halyard, electric winches for geneoa and main cabin top. Teak cockpit tablke and teak on cockpit floor (none on deck!) Dealer should give you the outboard engine mount and cleats at the centerline of boat at no charge
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Post by grantgoulding on Aug 22, 2006 14:26:00 GMT
Hi All Had my 42Ds six weeks now and can report the following: Make sure you have the Bow thruster - lots of windage! I have six batteries in all - Extra Ballast You need a charger - not standard It needs reefing early but sails fast I should have had the mid ship cleats - but can be added later Have the GRP table and so far prefer it - less teak to worry about going grey Make sure you have the plotter at the Helm - useless down below or have the E series (I had the C80 at the Nav station and it is pointless) Heating - well in the UK anyway Had fittings for spin but no spin yet though will have the assym version I think There is a lot of power in the sheets so an electric winch would be handy but does cost Teak cockpit floor - essential and looks good too! Rope cutter Standard fabric in saloon - looks really good and is more practicable. We do charter ours out and it will stand up to wet/dirtly clothes better You need better lights in the Saloon - table lamps like in the brochure and a TV (you won't want to go home!) Worst bit so far - Bimin is too high and rubs the boom! Oh and the inmast selden rig is a bugger to use at times but it is worth having it when you want to reef! We are in the East Coast, UK
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Post by braehouse on Aug 23, 2006 15:46:13 GMT
Hi Grant
Thanks for that. You pretty much echo what i thought!
Is your boat the one that Steve Carter offered to show me around? In the haven?
Cheers
chris
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Post by markwilme on Sept 19, 2006 2:10:04 GMT
I just posted a message about the 39DS but there are a couple of points here I'd like y'all to clarify for me if you'd be so kind.
( Note I don't have the full package and options pricing yet - we are still exploring).
There was mention of Jeanneau crockery - wouldn't that be overpriced ?
I see realmatress and ice maker mentioned- more info please
Given my dealer offers ST6002 autopilot, ST60 wind and ST60 tri data what are the recommendations for chartplotters ? C80 at the helm and the same inside ? or different ? If I have two chartplotters do I need to buy 2 sets of charts or are they interlinked and can share charts and waypoints / routes etc ?
A charger not standard ? is that UK or US too ?
centerline cleats are a no brainer for springlines at the slip
It strikes me that things like cockpit cushions, additional batteries, halyard tail bags etc could be added after the purchase once one is sure they are needed and may be done so at a "non dealer" price. Is that the experience of others ?
Do the windows not come with blinds to cut down on the solar heating ? Also I neglected to look but just how many of the windows / hatches open and in which direction ?
What are people thinking on full versus shoal draft ?
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Post by badeandmel on Sept 19, 2006 4:26:51 GMT
I have just taken deliver of a SO39i and have the following comments:
In respect of Shoal water versus normal draft, my view would be that unless you are cruising in shollow water, i.e. rivers, creeks, canals then you should go with the deep draft. The upwind preformance of the deep draft is significantly better than the shoal draft where you will go sideways quickly.
As for Curtains and blinds, all the hatches should come with blinds as standard and all the windows will have curtains. The main hatches should face forwards when open.
I purchased a halyard tail bag from jeanneau but I would not bother. The bag is not deep enough to be of any real use in holding the halyards. accordingly, I agree - get this from elsewhere.
James
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Post by Anwen (Deep Joy) on Sept 21, 2006 20:37:35 GMT
SWMBO and I looked at length at the SO39DS at the Southampton boat show, and it is definitely an impressive boat for the money. The show price was around 107,000, and included all the normal sailaway package gizmos. In mast main furling is standard. However, it doesn't include a plotter, and my choice would be an E80 and a remote monitor - this seems to be the option that everyone goes for. You'd also need a good autohelm, and heating, all of which would add 10K to the price.
To be honest, we came away very impressed, but the more I have looked at the brochure, the more it seems a fair weather boat - the twin wheels are right at the back of the cockpit, well away from any protection the spray hood might offer. The whole cockpit seems very low and exposed and down below is very open - I wouldn't want to be out in a heavy sea on this boat.
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Post by chesbaysailor on Sept 23, 2006 13:38:30 GMT
Glad I found this forum! I saw both the 39DS and 42DS at Newport last weekend - both are great looking boats, although I definitely prefer the aft cabin and cockpit of the 42.
I just sold my Catalina 34 and believe I've narrowed down her possible replacements to be a Catalina 42, Hunter 41DS, or Jeanneau 42DS. I believe all of them - outfitted - would be around $260K(?).
This would be my first new boat (after having previously owned an '88 Catalina 27 and '92 Catalina 34). Current owners experiences will definitely help me decide which model to go with!
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Post by mdrsailman on Sept 23, 2006 14:24:26 GMT
I owned a 36 Catalina MK11 and was also thinking about the Catalina 42. I dont think you can even compare the 42 Catalina with a 42DS if you like a big aft cabin with a fulll bed and better quality throughout the boat. Stay away from Hunter. I have a friend who boat a 44DS Hunter and is ready to dumpp it after 3 months (he says it is is a bad imiitation of a truck on the water! The Jeanneau 42DS will end up at about 300K to do right (and that is without tax).
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Post by braehouse on Sept 25, 2006 4:37:34 GMT
SWMBO and I looked at length at the SO39DS at the Southampton boat show, and it is definitely an impressive boat for the money. The show price was around 107,000, and included all the normal sailaway package gizmos. In mast main furling is standard. However, it doesn't include a plotter, and my choice would be an E80 and a remote monitor - this seems to be the option that everyone goes for. You'd also need a good autohelm, and heating, all of which would add 10K to the price. To be honest, we came away very impressed, but the more I have looked at the brochure, the more it seems a fair weather boat - the twin wheels are right at the back of the cockpit, well away from any protection the spray hood might offer. The whole cockpit seems very low and exposed and down below is very open - I wouldn't want to be out in a heavy sea on this boat. Mmmm..........I agree with most of your points. However SWMBO and I came away from the show having agreed that we would not be buying a Jeanneau. This was a difficult decision to make but by the time that we had got the boat up to a good spec the price was in the region of £125K. The fit and finish at this price just is not good enough. Rough edges on interiors, doors that were misaligned after being opened during the course of the show together with door buttons that would not operate, unsealed grain on the edges of the plywood supports, veneer lifting on the edges of the doors and very rough edges (for rough read cut fingers) on the fibre glass for the lockers. The joinery was poor and in places mis-aligned. Add in the poor aft cabin and all in all we were left feeling very deflated as we so wanted to buy this boat. The look of the boat however is just fantastic.......which makes it all the more disappointing. Our money will no longer be going in this direction but possibly towards Dufour or even a second-hand Moody. I know this is a Jeanneau board and expect to get some backlash however the above has really swayed us away from the marque and until the quality comes back we would be very concerned about parting with that amount of cash. All of the above of course in my humble opinion!
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Post by chesbaysailor on Sept 26, 2006 20:13:05 GMT
Unfortunately, the more I look, the less impressed I am. Visually the DS line is stunning. But after crawling around the 39DS at the Norwalk show this past weekend (I drove 2 hrs and paid $21 just to relook at the Jeanneaus - they only had the 39DS and 49DS there) I came away a bit disenchanted. What's with the flimsy wood paneling in the forward cabin covering the lights? And the light switches themselves (just an example) really don't look or feel like they'd stand up to much use. Overall the boat reminds me alot of IKEA furniture - very european and cutting-edge style, but not built to last very long. I'm also concerned about ventilation - the Hunter 41DS, for example, compensates for their huge, heat-entrapping windows by emplacing a number of side ports that open in addition to large cabintop hatches. Does the 42DS owner's cabin (aft) have any ventilation whatsoever other than the single, small, backwards-facing (at anchor) hatch at the base of the cockpit table? I need to sleep in this thing on balmy, humid, Chesapeake Bay summer nights!
Someone please recommend something with the looks and large cockpit of the Jeanneau, functionality of the Catalina, huge cabin of the Hunter, and build quality of a Tartan... New (or fairly new), for under $300K? Heh, don't think that boat exists.
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Post by grantgoulding on Oct 5, 2006 10:22:06 GMT
Hi Chris Yes it would have been mine the Steve offered to view. If you want to know any more detail then please drop me an email grant@acplus.co.uk There is not much I would change on the boat however. Sometimes I feel it deserves better weather such as in the Med however it makes journeys really pleasant locally and now I am offering skippered charters and the they seem to be going well.
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Post by grantgoulding on Oct 5, 2006 10:32:47 GMT
In response to ventilation and qualitity on the 42ds The aft (owners cabin) has three opening ports Yes - the wood in the forecabin around the lights is flimsy and I thought would be a problem but after going through some very heavy seas there has been no damage or movement I have not seen any sharp or rough edges on the boat either The cockpit of the boat is one of the best features - it seats eight people and is great for eating. Underway there is always plenty of room and bracing points. Compared to the new Bavaria vision it is worlds apart it terms of quality I have seen many Dufour's with very rough edges too and Moody's with qualitity issues - it would be interesting to see alternatives from them
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