goggoll
Junior Member
Posts: 15
Jeanneau Model: 410 Performance
Yacht Name: Arabella
Home Port: St. Clair Shores, Michigan
Country: USA
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Post by goggoll on Nov 27, 2019 1:24:15 GMT
Gentlemen, we got our new 389 in June. One of those un-sailable models: shoal keel and furling mail sail. On our end-of season sail on Lake St. Clair we had her do 8.7 knots in 16 -18 knots of wind - very easy to handle. We are no racers. So what else do you need? Hey Goggoll, We just ordered a 389 and will launch it in St Clair Shores (JB Marina) in the spring. Anxious for the delivery. Glad you like your boat. Yes, we ordered a shoal keel, in mast furling. Best for Lake St Clair. Yes, we are in JB, too! Michigan’s Jeanneau Super-Center
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Post by Charlie-Bravo on Nov 27, 2019 13:19:24 GMT
Our last yacht had an in boom furling main, fully battened, great shape and power and never flapped. A bit of an edgy choice perhaps, but at least if the furling mech has trouble, you can release the halyard and drop the sail like a slab reefer, and as the sail lives in a nice safe cocoon ( the boom) it stays in great condition as well, .... Our new to us boat has a loose foot inmast furling main, first job when we got it was to strip the mast and bring the furling mech back to new, and it is a little fussy about boom height to furl without creasing which could cause trouble, but once the technique is mastered seems to make for an easy life, the Jenny sails very well, but feel it would benefit from a proper sail for performance.
As others have said, buy for you not the next owner, these toys are not an investment, they will attempt to drain the wallet , and living with a compromised spec for the re sale value can only spoil the experience for you.
Hope you really enjoy her.
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Post by alenka on Nov 27, 2019 15:49:28 GMT
Gentlemen, we got our new 389 in June. One of those un-sailable models: shoal keel and furling mail sail. On our end-of season sail on Lake St. Clair we had her do 8.7 knots in 16 -18 knots of wind - very easy to handle. We are no racers. So what else do you need? Nobody said shoal draft boats were "unsailable", and I would expect even a shoal draft boat to be able to hit hull speed reaching in 18kts of wind! The difference between shoal and deep keels will be most apparent when sailing upwind. The boat with the classic main is likely to hit hull speed sooner than the furling main just due to the extra sail area it has. Both shoal and furling mains may be worth while compromises depending on the waters you sail in, but make no mistake, they ARE compromises to sailing performance. On wing keeled Hunters....wings are put on shoal draft cruising keels in an effort to get as much of the keel's weight as deep as possible to maximize righting moment. They are not hydrofoils and do not "lift" the boat in any way. Wing keels became a bit of a fad after Australia II took the cup with a winged keel.
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Post by alenka on Nov 27, 2019 16:04:20 GMT
Nobody said shoal draft boats were "unsailable", and I would expect even a shoal draft boat to be able to hit hull speed reaching in 18kts of wind! The difference between shoal and deep keels will be most apparent when sailing upwind. The boat with the classic main is likely to hit hull speed sooner than the furling main just due to the extra sail area it has. Both shoal and furling mains may be worth while compromises depending on the waters you sail in, but make no mistake, they ARE compromises to sailing performance. On wing keeled Hunters....wings are put on shoal draft cruising keels in an effort to get as much of the keel's weight as deep as possible to maximize righting moment. They are not hydrofoils and do not "lift" the boat in any way. Wing keels became a bit of a fad after Australia II took the cup with a winged keel. Lift was probably not the correct terminology for the describing the feeling you get when the wings starts to do its thing. The boat does feel lighter, more balanced, and the speed accelerates. Even quite inexperienced helms people could quickly feel the difference. As impressed as we were we decided against another Hunter. We looked at an ex-boat show 45DS which was available at a bargain price but just having to double check everything is really secure before each and every sail is tedious. (Most reviewers warned that, like most Hunters, the 45DS is still a tender hull). There is also another downside to a winged keel. If you do run aground there is more contact with the bottom that needs to break free so you are just as careful, if not more careful about soft groundings. o have to neither dies it suck the boat deeper. There is however a definite sweet spot where the boat suddenly feels 'balanced' and the speed incresess suction t anyone who has sailed one will tell you there is a definite sweet spot where every
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Post by John on Nov 28, 2019 14:47:59 GMT
Congratulations on your purchase , we ordered a 42i performance with the deeper keel a single rudder with a slab main , added third reef , if your planning on keeping the boat long term and depth is not an issue , I would recommend it the boat sails better and is more enjoyable .
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