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Post by vasko on Jan 24, 2015 12:56:16 GMT
Any one having a bean to cup machine on board ? I wold love to have one but struggling with choosing the right model with minimum power consumption... -----models considered so far : 1/ saeco xsmall - very reasonable price, good quality, all reservoirs in front , low consumption ( 1300WATT ) 2/ jura ena micro - claimed to be the most efficient on energy, but still 1450 WATT, bulky and made only one coffe cup at the time, and expensive 3/ Panasonic NC-ZA1 - compact, good looking, all reservoirs on front, 1450 WATT , reasonable price but not established brand for coffe makers any one with machine on board and suggestions ? ----- power considerations 1/ do I need a pure sine invertor ? 2/ does someone knows about automatic inverter which can directly provide the 220v when shore power is plugged and run the inverter when no shore power ? something like : www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pure-Sine-Wave-Inverter-Charger-SinusPro-800E-12V-230V-MPPT-AVR-UPS/221660618049?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3D11d174ac9d0e479c978c88ce5e349fed%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D221660620706&rt=ncthe problem is that this is only 800WATT any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.. |
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Post by On y va on Jan 24, 2015 13:30:40 GMT
If you had like a 60+ footer, even then I still wouldn't consider this sort of thing. These things have glass pots, so for me a "no go" on a sailing yacht. Or, as you said, make one cup at a time. Most of the yachts I look after, have Nespresso machines.....but I don't like the Nespresso coffee, especially not all the time. I like freshly ground beans.....so what to do, without loosing lots of space and something that can run off a 800W inverter. As I love proper coffee, my solution was a burr-wheel grinder, which is only 110W and grinds the coffee properly, rather than cutting it and a double walled, stainless steel 3 cup cafetiere (at home I have an 8 cup one too). Very nice, hot coffee and it hardly takes up any space, easy to clean and most importantly: it cannot break or shatter. |
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Post by Damir on Jan 24, 2015 14:01:25 GMT
We have SENSEO for a quick coffee. Normal in Croatia is drinking coffee in the morning ritual, and it is with coffee grinded. On the electric or gas cooker one small pots put water & sugar and when it boils put teaspoon of ground coffee to boil, waiting to settle sediment. I think on the boat have a lot of free time. Coffee you can grind at the store and keep it sealed in a metal bowl. Some people do not like it but that's personal taste.
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Post by windward54 on Jan 24, 2015 14:57:24 GMT
We have a Cuisinart Grind and Brew coffeemaker on our boat. The coffeemaker has a metal thermal carafe, so we don't have to worry about the glass breaking. It also brews 10 cups of coffee which is perfect for us, as I really like my coffee in the morning. The unit is great, but be ready for a large power need for a coffeemaker. It takes a lot of energy to heat water. The unit pulls about 1300 watts. We have a 3000 watt inverter which is plenty of power.
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Post by hoppy on Jan 24, 2015 15:33:55 GMT
If you had like a 60+ footer, even then I still wouldn't consider this sort of thing. These things have glass pots, so for me a "no go" on a sailing yacht. I think you are confusing the type of coffee machine he means.  Vasko, Victron energy (http://www.victronenergy.com/markets/marine/) have a few charger/inverter units which appear to allow you to seamlessly switch between shore power and battery |
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Post by hoppy on Jan 24, 2015 15:37:55 GMT
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Post by vasko on Jan 24, 2015 16:00:55 GMT
The main reason behind a bean-to-cup is pure fun and good coffe  - nothing practical... when on the way I too prefer tea but in the morning in a quite anchorage one click quality coffe is a great feature |
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Post by vasko on Jan 24, 2015 16:02:36 GMT
The Vectron thing is a huge beast ... I'm after something smaller.. may be in the end I will need to build a automatic switch myself.. |
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Post by On y va on Jan 24, 2015 16:25:32 GMT
You need a 2000Watt inverter for something you want. This can be a combi (charger+inverter) to save some space and then you can have the 220 inverter to shore and vice versa. But these units are expensive and not all that reliable (in my experiences they give more troubles than any other type of electrical unit). Another option would be an inverter plus a Victron Filax2 unit. This does the same. This way you keep your charger separate. But whatever coffeemaker you are thinking of: I think you are crazy  |
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Post by Zanshin on Jan 24, 2015 16:38:01 GMT
I use a Nespresso machine - the pods might be pricey but the machine is compact, warms up quickly and those pods hold for months without degrading. I thought about a full-auto machine but chose not to go that route as the warmup times are significant. I've got a big Victron inverter, but for any type of a coffee machine you are going to need a big inverter, a 2000W inverter is just barely enough after de-rating and assuming that peak current draw is going to be more than the rated 1500W on most machines.
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Post by vasko on Jan 24, 2015 16:45:22 GMT
You need a 2000Watt inverter for something you want. This can be a combi (charger+inverter) to save some space and then you can have the 220 inverter to shore and vice versa. But these units are expensive and not all that reliable (in my experiences they give more troubles than any other type of electrical unit). Another option would be an inverter plus a Victron Filax2 unit. This does the same. This way you keep your charger separate. But whatever coffeemaker you are thinking of: I think you are crazy Filax 2 looks like good idea ! thanks another option that I'm thinking is a old computer UPS with gone external battery pack.. that I can wire to my battery bank with diode to stop the charging capability.. ooo yes I know that I'm crazy - no news at all:) |
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Post by pbunning on Jan 24, 2015 16:55:12 GMT
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Post by abgreenbank on Jan 24, 2015 18:25:26 GMT
Have a miele bean to cup coffee machine at home and we get very regular visits from the miele maintance man, things always going wrong, not a sensible option for a boat, but does make a nice coffee.
rgrds
ab
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Post by dbostrom on Jan 25, 2015 2:16:51 GMT
We have a Magnum MS2012 2KW inverter/charger on our boat (39i) that is about five years old, has seen a lot of use and still works nicely. It does seamless shore/vessel switching and has a nifty feature that allows the inverter to "hunt" for and activate on a minimum (configurable) demand.
Reliability is helped by making sure the inverter is located in a decently dry place with adequate ventilation. Our is under a berth in a space equipped with a blower (simple 4" muffin fan on a thermal snap-switch) that helps to keep the unit cooler on warm days when the device is working hard.
One thing I'll say about the automatic shore/vessel switching is that one has to be just a bit more careful when working on AC electrical matters; the old trick of yanking the shore power cord isn't any guarantee that outlets etc. are safe. Best to cut the inverter off at its input switch (these things lean on a lot of software for maintaining state and who would trust that?).
Push-pot and grinder are our bag for coffee but a beans-mouth machine offers the advantage of not pouring scalding water in the open, eh?
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Post by vasko on Jan 25, 2015 10:56:41 GMT
agree! seems like the perfect tool ! - especially with the smart remote... two issues for me - I need 12-220V not 12-120 and little bit high price tag 1800 USD only the inverter
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Post by dbostrom on Jan 25, 2015 17:49:37 GMT
The MS-1512E "only" puts out 1500W, is 220V/50Hz, costs a bit less. Should be plenty to run a coffee maker (but you can't dry your hair simultaneously).
Frankly when I look at the inverter we have (which I now remember actually puts out 2700W) and think about the three G31 batteries supporting the affair it seems a bit ridiculous. Our boat's previous owner wasn't very keen on electrical matters, put things into the hands of a fellow who was more willing than fully informed. For instance, the Webasto heater which requires 90W running flat-out is supplied by a fairly short dedicated circuit made of #8 conductors.
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Post by ianpowolny on Jan 26, 2015 11:38:18 GMT
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Post by vasko on Jan 26, 2015 17:10:51 GMT
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Post by dbostrom on Jan 26, 2015 17:42:01 GMT
Oh golly, Vasko, now I'll have to buy a --bigger-- inverter, otherwise you'll have more watts. Thermos makes a nifty stainless vacuum insulated french press that bounces nicely. |
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Post by vasko on Jan 27, 2015 12:53:27 GMT
Nothing can compare with good italian espresso in the morning sunrise at quite anchorage and I prefer to just push one button while still sleepy instead of navigate to the cooker, find the matches, fill the coffeemaker(may be need cleaning from previouse time ?), ignite the burner, put it on the burner and wait, after that balancing while filling the cups and search for place to put the hot coffeemaker and constantly thinking that next time before making a coffe it will need to be cleaned first.. if you do not take it from the funny size it can ruin your day imagine now you wake up, on the way out just click a button take cup with the freshly steaming best possible italian coffee in the world and lay on the cockpit bench to enjoy the drink and the scenery... |
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Post by hoppy on Jan 27, 2015 14:06:33 GMT
Not a morning person Vasko?  |
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Post by vasko on Jan 27, 2015 17:39:09 GMT
Not a morning person Vasko? then afternoon coffe with friends ... and showing them how easy and amazingly good is you coffee ... no matter how small is the boat and a latte or capuccino is done with a button press again |
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Post by dbostrom on Jan 27, 2015 19:36:02 GMT
Is there an bean-cup espresso machine with a remote control? Vasko needs one!
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Post by hoppy on Jan 27, 2015 23:23:21 GMT
Is there an bean-cup espresso machine with a remote control? Vasko needs one! Whats the point? He still need to get to the machine to get his coffee He needs a robotic delivery system on board |
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Post by vasko on Jan 27, 2015 23:30:31 GMT
Is there an bean-cup espresso machine with a remote control? Vasko needs one! Whats the point? He still need to get to the machine to get his coffee He needs a robotic delivery system on board interesting idea |
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- nothing practical... when on the way I too prefer tea 
