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Post by nemesis on Apr 5, 2014 15:21:59 GMT
Hi good folks, I just joined the Jeanneau family with a recent purchase of a Sun Shine 36 (84)... I think it is called Rush 111 here in Norway for some reason. Anyways, while I am waiting for the handover I thought I would make use of my time and buy a new dinghy. I've allready decided to go for one of the Zodiac Cadets, I just don't know which size.
We are two grown ups, two kids and a dog, and the kids grow fast. We want a boat which is large enough to fit all of us, and which will take an engine which will bring all of us up planing. Which is the largest tender that will rest comfortably on deck without causing to much trouble? I am hoping that I can fit a 310 (15hp), and hopefully no less than a 285 (10 hp).
I will in due time also fit a anchor windlass / winch, and I prefer to have access to the front anchor locker.
Any insight you can provide will be greatly appreciated. (I can't provide any measurements of the deck at this time as I am still waiting for delivery)
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Post by MalcolmP on Apr 5, 2014 16:12:04 GMT
Can't add much on dinghy choice - you need to be able to measure the deck and work out how big a dinghy you personally like to handle - I tend to go for smallest to save my back.. Interesting that the Sun Shine was called a Rush 111 in Norway, but I was aware that the Arcadia was marketed in Norway as the Rush 88 / Rush 90, so that does fit. The original Ron Holland designed Jeanneau Rush was well known on the race circuit, so that may have been why they wanted to keep a the name for the local market for other models When you can please upload some photos to our gallery at: www.jeanneau-owners.com/photogallery.html |
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Post by ForGrinsToo on Apr 5, 2014 16:23:58 GMT
Ours is 2.6 m Zodiac 260 Aero on a 36i. It has the (CE) capacity for 3 adults, and completely fills the foredeck when inflated. It's too big. It will plane with 8 hp and two aboard. But we've found it's just too much to wrestle.
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Post by nemesis on Apr 5, 2014 17:21:09 GMT
I will certainly upload pics when I get the boat (waitng for some minor issues to be fixed on the instrumentation before delivery). I can't speak from experience as I've only had dinghys in Davits before. But, I would think that simply attaching the front of the dinghy to a halyard, winch it up vertically over the rail while the wife pushes it off the side of the sailboat with an oar or similar. Once over the railing, ease the back of the dinghy into position, lower it so that it ends upside down in the prefferred direction, and strap it down... shouldn't require much muscle nor hassle. I might even make some straps with elastic or springs for quick fastening and release... As for the engine, I would hoist it up to the pushpit using the boom as a crane... There are quite a few youtube videos showing this operation, and it seems simple. Some even hoist the boat and engine on the boom and keep it on the side of the boat to keep it from knocking about while anchored up: www.tor.cc/articles/liftit.htm The way I see it, either you go for ultralight and compact, both engine and tender, or you go for something that actually does its job on the water. The latter quickly crosses a threshold of weight and size where lifting it by hand alone becomes a real struggle. At this threshold, using cranes or hallyards means that adding an aditional few pounds and inches extra doesn't really matter. I seriously doubt that I would find it in me to inflate, deflate and stow away after each use. Regardless of size it would remain inflated. As such, I'm trying to stear away from the compromises where you can get a more readily stowable tender at the cost of performance The main question for me is the biggest tender I can fit and also get arround, get access to the anchor, etc, without too much struggle. It is interesting to hear that the 285 takes up too much space on the 36i... although I wish it was a story with a totally different ending... a happy one  I don't know the 36i. How does it compare to the Sun Shine 36 on the front deck? I'll add pics of my sailboat at a later time, promise |
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Post by sitara on Apr 5, 2014 22:08:14 GMT
I also use the Zodiac 260 Aero on a SO36i. I have a 3 hp engine and it wont plane with two adults. It does fill the foredeck and is difficult to lift on and off by hand, I have not tried the halyard idea yet. Another alternative for the 36i is to stow it on the transom/sugar scoop but I guess this does not apply to the Sun Shine.
We tend to only inflate the dinghy when at anchor for a couple of days and then deflate it for the return trip.
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Post by nemesis on Apr 6, 2014 7:49:27 GMT
If the 260 makes a tight fit, then a 310 is probably entierly out of the question  Any of you with a Sun Shine that could comment? With winches, mast and boom, I have a crane. And I really want the tender secure on deck. Storing a tender in snap davits or, even regular davits, is a bad idea on most sailboat-tender combos, for the following reasons: - When the sailing and leaning, the tender will catch water and eather be torn to pieces or at best slow you down - In rough seas, the dinghy can fill with more water than the dinghy, davits or the davits mounting points will hold - It blocks access to the ladder (bad for safety and convenience) - It blocks the lantern - If your diesel heater exhaust is in the same vicinity, it may melt your tender - It gets in the way in tight spaces, harbours, marinas, anchorages - It looks fugly - Winching it up in a halyard shouldn't be too much more cumbersome... slightly, yes, but not much. And it is free, the boat is more secure... but it hgets in the way on deck... choices, choices... If to use davits they need to be able to lift very high... |
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Post by hoppy on Apr 6, 2014 10:49:40 GMT
I have a SO40 and when looking to replace my 240 Quicksilver, running the tape measure and checking various specs I decided that 260/270 was the largest I would ever consider. In the end I went for the 240 Honwave. Any bigger than 260/270 would have obstructed access to the bow. I sail solo a lot and the last thing I want to be doing is having to jump over the tender in the middle of a mooring manoeuvre. Personally I recommend waiting until you have the boat in possession and get up on deck with the measurements of the various inflatables  I suspect a 285 on you boat will have the tenders bow pushing up against the lifelines. If you are at sea do you really want to be having to climb over the inflatable to get to the bow? In that picture is the 240 quicksilver. It is not exactly centred, but if I had gone for a 285, the gap to the life lines is what I would have had on both sides. I my case if I really needed the carrying capacity I perhaps could have accepted it. Maybe you need to go the davits route for a 285 + |
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Post by nemesis on Apr 6, 2014 14:18:33 GMT
I see your point Hoppy - that photo tells a lot... a sweet picture by the way.
I think I would rather consider a smaller tender and make two runs than the davits option... offshore I would probably want the tender on deck or stowed away.
Time will show
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Post by ianpowolny on Apr 6, 2014 14:37:57 GMT
We have a 45DS and started out with a Honwave 3.1 which was just too big on the foredeck and too difficult to man handle. We part exd for a 2.7 which is a lot easier to handle. One work of warning form this winter. We left our dinghy tied down on the foredeck. The wind got under it and started to pick it up and dump back on the deck. The dinghy fittings went in to the gel coat at a couple of places so we are now having to have a gel coat repair completed.
As for an engine we just have a wee Honda 2.3HP. Seems to work okay.
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Post by hoppy on Apr 6, 2014 16:31:17 GMT
I see your point Hoppy - that photo tells a lot... a sweet picture by the way. I think I would rather consider a smaller tender and make two runs than the davits option... offshore I would probably want the tender on deck or stowed away. Time will show I hate my tender being there, but it is still better than towing it and I also have "issues" with davits  The best thing with the dinghy was to buy a 12v pump and add a cable long enough to use it on the foredeck. Now it I am going to do more than a day trip or I am planning to anchor and not go to shore then I will deflate and stow it away or at least stow it packed up on deck. I have no idea what sailing is like in Norway. Do you tend to anchor off mostly or do you do like in Sweden go bow to up against an island and take a ladder to shore? If it is a bit like Sweden then I guess you don't need the dinghy so often and then you could get as big as can be inflated on the foredeck. Deflate when you know it wont be needed and tow when conditions allow? |
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Post by nemesis on Apr 7, 2014 20:25:04 GMT
Sailing in Norway is much like in Sweden. Our main reason for having a tender is our dog. When anchoring, we need to get ashore to walk the dog.
I went out to take measurements today. There is a forestay which pretty much dives the foredeck in half, meaning that there is no way i can fit a tender of any size if i am to have it flat on deck. This leaves me with the option of either finding a new attachment point for the forestay (not worth it), get a tender which I could tow or stow (a bit of an hassle), get davits or live without.
I guess I will just see if I can do without, and if I can't, then go for the davits and a tender which can be stowed away when going offshore...
bummer!
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Post by ianpowolny on Apr 8, 2014 6:13:31 GMT
I understand the issue with the dog. Ours needed to be off the boat twice a day. If you have to inflate / deflate and man handle the dinghy often have you considered a lightweight 3D dinghy. I'm not sure of their long term useage but being so light will reduce the chance of manual handling injuries and the dog will get its comfort break.
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Post by nemesis on Apr 8, 2014 12:18:32 GMT
Yes, this might be the way to go... but having to inflate and deflate and stow away is a much bigger hassle than to get the junk on and off the water. I will have to look into smart ways of storing it fully inflated on deck safely, and deflate it when going where water can turn choppy in a short notice. But i am fresh out of ideas.
I will really have to cosncider Davits i think, however much i dislike them for their bad looks and all the convenience tradeoffs. Even with Davits I am uncertain if I would dear having a dinghy hanging there in bad weather. I mean, if a big wave filled it, then I am certain that something would give... and with my luck, probably the least desirable thing. An option would of course be to stow it when going offshore... but lazy as I am, i would probably chance it and hate myself afterwards.
What do you think, how risky is it to have a dinghy in davits when going offshore?
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Post by ianpowolny on Apr 8, 2014 15:16:04 GMT
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Post by ForGrinsToo on Apr 8, 2014 22:46:49 GMT
Nemesis - note, too, that your Sunshine 36 has an "E" of 4.11 m (13.5'). That is going to leave you nearly 2 m (6')short for using the boom/topping lift or boom/main halyard to lift your engine onto the pushpit.
Forespar makes a couple of lifts that will fit the stern and pushpit, and I think there's a self-made one in hints and tips. But the boom, unfortunately, isn't going to work.
Geoff
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Post by nemesis on Apr 9, 2014 5:55:15 GMT
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Post by nemesis on Apr 9, 2014 5:58:18 GMT
Is storing the tender upside down in the davits a practical and viable option to deal with the risks of rough sees?
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