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Post by touchngo on Feb 10, 2014 9:16:43 GMT
As we grow closer to the day, my wife has started to get cold feet. Not in the sense of not wanting to go, but in the sense of not wanting to live aboard full time, and especially because of being cold in the winter. This has her looking at finding a winter bolt hole ashore, and me contemplating more years at the grindstone to pay for it. Quite frankly I'm reaching the 'why bother' part and starting to lose heart.
And then...I came across a blog where some folk have installed a wood burning stove, and turned their cabin into a cosy winter retreat...and I began to wonder...
Has anyone had any experience of putting such a beast into a Jeanneau? I've seen them in loads of jaunty looking vessels such as Westsail 32's, Tayana 37's and BCC's, but nothing in a regular person's yacht (I'm not planning on changing yachts just to accommodate a fireplace).
And for the 'head for the tropics' brigade, having grown up in the Tropics, and spent the last 20+ years working in the desert, I'm pretty fed up with HOT weather sailing. The Med will do me nicely (as a history buff, I love it), so long as I can brave the winters and not have to resort to yet another pile of bricks and mortar.
I'm thinking of locating it against the port bulkhead in our SO40. Won't be using it whilst we sail, so chimney will be blanked off at sea. I can see an issue with the run of halyards and lines along the cabin top, but wonder if there are other issues such as too much heat against the bulkhead etc...
All advice, experiences etc... appreciated.
Cheers, PT
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Post by On y va on Feb 10, 2014 16:08:07 GMT
The port bulkhead?? Do you think there is enough space there? also taking in consideration that you need enough "chimney"??
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Post by hoppy on Feb 10, 2014 18:45:17 GMT
Sounds like a crazy idea to me  What's wrong with a diesel heater and a fireplace video on an iPad. Are you planning to winter on the hook and travel around or tie up at a cosy marina for the winter before moving on? I have an electric heater which makes it warm and cosy in the marina. |
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Post by touchngo on Feb 11, 2014 5:21:47 GMT
I'm thinking the port bulkhead but closer to the doorway through to the forward cabin. Logic would say to have it close to the mast on the Starboard bulkhead, but squeezing past it to get in and out of the table may present problems. Dream is to be anchored in a snug bay, but the closer we get to pushing off, the more the dream is being replaced by some hard realities. A Webasto or Eberspacher would be the quicker/easier/logical option, but I quite liked the idea of a little solid fuel burner (or a Taylor's type diesel fired heater). Haven't found any info on one being put in a Jeanneau though and don't feel like being the first idiot that tried and failed. Guess we'll be living in a Marina anyway. Reality sure sucks sometimes.  381 days to go (not that I'm counting or anything). PT PS: OnYVa Nice Video on FB there. Liked it! |
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Post by On y va on Feb 11, 2014 8:48:21 GMT
PT, thanks. The video was taken some years ago, when I was still living on Texel (island) in Holland.
Jeanneau´s are not really designed for this sort of thing, hence there are not many suitable places for heater like a Dickinson. However, as I have plans to sail round South America, I have also been toying with the idea of a Dickinson, besides the Webasto I already have installed.
Have u considered the bulkhead of the shower unit, directly opposite the kitchen worktop? This is an excellent, central place. Also it is much better for the position of the chimney. As a chimney near a mast, can have bad airflow due to the mast (in certain circumstances).
A Dickinson Newport is only sticking out 27,5cm, so I reckon that is feasible to walk passed without any problems. You just have to be careful when it is on. The chimney comes out in front of your sprayhood (and should be higher than your sprayhood) giving you excellent airflow.
Just a thought, to keep your hopes of anchoring off-shore alive!!
Marco
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Post by MalcolmP on Feb 11, 2014 11:36:14 GMT
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Post by On y va on Feb 11, 2014 13:27:33 GMT
Yes, very neat. Although I would like to have a unit like a Dickinson fitted lower than the one in this picture, to get as much heat radiation on the lowest level possible. Also, I wouldn´t go for solid fuel, but diesel. I had a guy once who had a solid fuel unit and it is always messy and dusty. Besides if the thing doesn´t burn properly, you do end up like a smoked mackrel inside your own boat. Maybe nice if you have some classic old wooden boat, where it hides the smell of damp and moldy bilges, but not in my nice Jeanneau!!  |
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Post by touchngo on Feb 12, 2014 6:56:33 GMT
I don't have a picture of our own boat, so have lifted the image below from a Google Search, but you should be able to see what I mean by placing the heater against the port bulkhead. It will be a little raised from the floor, but not enough to be an issue I think.  It would be a pity to lose that corner seat, as I like to sit in there with my book, but I guess with just the two of us, we'll get used to it. BTW, I like those Dickinson heaters too! Still haven't given up the idea completely but have started to look into the idea of an Eberspacher or Webasto. Cheers, PT |
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Post by On y va on Feb 12, 2014 8:08:33 GMT
In regards to the Webasto and or Ebenspracher, a little tip:
I have had a Webasto 3500 installed like 10 years ago. The big mistake that I made, was agreeing that the ducting would be laid on the starboard side, because it was easier and the heater itself could be mounted away from the rear locker.
But, it also means no heating in the bathroom!!! And as many of you many know, it gets pretty cold in there in winter.
If I could do it again, I would have the ducting on port side and have the first small vent in the bathroom, the main (always to be kept open) in the salon and a small end one in the fwd owners cabin.
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Post by svsecco on Feb 13, 2014 15:55:21 GMT
I installed a 35k BTU (10.2 kW) Hurricane II diesel-fired hydronic system in November 2013 on our 45DS. So far we have racked up about 900 hours on the heater and the boat has been toasty warm all winter. And what a winter it has been! We have had multiple week-long cold snaps with temperatures in the single-digits (that's -20 C to you europeans). The heater has worked very well. The only downside to the heater is the cost of the system and the level of effort required for a well-planned and executed installation.
My previous boat was a 39DS and it had an Espar Airtronic 5.5. It worked well for the three years I had the boat. The Espar is a cheaper and simpler system to install compared to the hydronic system. The hydronic system can have multiple heating zones and can also heat domestic hot water and heat the boat using the engine.
Solid fuel stoves are good for occasional use but are less than ideal for full time liveaboards.
Chris
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Post by On y va on Feb 13, 2014 20:11:58 GMT
The hydronic system is in my view better than a hot air ......however, they use a nuts load more power. So unless you have plenty of resources to generate power, it´s ok and preferable. If not.....
In my case planning to do extended cruises in remoter/colder areas, the hydronic system is just not an option.
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