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Post by Torsten on Dec 30, 2013 18:49:56 GMT
Because I bought my SO30i in standard configuration I didn't get a traveller for the mainsheet. After first match close to the wind I really missed a traveller. Most of the time I am sailing a long time on the same course and I also do not want something in the way to hurt myself :-(
So here's my (poor mans) solution:
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Post by MartyB on Dec 31, 2013 4:33:51 GMT
I'd get a Harken tall mainsheet track, and run it from the outside to outside of the cockpit seats, just behind the cabin back. Youeah you might have to cross it to go into the cabin, but you WILL HAVE a true traveler. Not sure that an eyebolt on the floor is a true traveler. You might have to add some wood in the corssing part for some extra support. but the tall track is supposed to span about 4 or so feet or around 1.5M or there abouts. You will need some support under the track on the outside tho. It would look something like my Arcadia has, but as you can see, it was designed this way.   I also have a main 4-1 and micro 4-1 main sheet to help in micro adjusting the main when needed. These pics were taken before I installed the micro sheet. Marty |
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Post by Torsten on Jan 1, 2014 11:23:29 GMT
Hi Marty, I wished to have a good fitting solution for the traveller problem as you have. It is hard to see on the picture which I put in but you may see that the beginning of the companion hatchway is more fwd than yours. There would be a gap of approx 30cm between the traveller and the hatchway. So unfortunately no good solution for me. Jeanneau offers a solution with a mainsheet traveller right in front of the sprayhood. Because I am more or less single handed I am looking for a very narrow sprayhood and a "clean" deck. So the Jeanneau solutuion doesn't work for me either. That's why I choose this compromise. Don't worry it seems to work for me  Thanks for your presentation ! Cheers hansi
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Post by psychotiller on Jan 2, 2014 17:47:28 GMT
I have a 2004 Sun Fast 32i with a factory traveler set up shown in the pictures with a stainless steel bracket on each side. I wonder if you could get the brackets from Jeanneau and if they would also fit your boat? Or even have a set made for maybe not too much money? Not sure if the traveler set up is a high priority right now for you but maybe at some point you could look into an option like this if you choose. By the way, I'm very jealous of how clean and shiny new your boat looks. Looks beautiful! Even the bilge is sparkling clean. Seeing as how our boat is 10 years old I'll bet it's been 10 years since our boat has been that clean!   Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted |
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Post by MalcolmP on Jan 2, 2014 18:05:44 GMT
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Post by Torsten on Jan 3, 2014 21:16:55 GMT
I have a 2004 Sun Fast 32i with a factory traveler set up shown in the pictures with a stainless steel bracket on each side. I wonder if you could get the brackets from Jeanneau and if they would also fit your boat? Or even have a set made for maybe not too much money? Not sure if the traveler set up is a high priority right now for you but maybe at some point you could look into an option like this if you choose. By the way, I'm very jealous of how clean and shiny new your boat looks. Looks beautiful! Even the bilge is sparkling clean. Seeing as how our boat is 10 years old I'll bet it's been 10 years since our boat has been that clean! Thanks for your post. As soon as my "solution" doesn't fulfill my needs anymore I will think about your configuration. Probably my boat will look similar to yours in 2023 ;-) |
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Post by Torsten on Jan 3, 2014 21:18:36 GMT
Thanks Malcom. Looks like a perfect solution for me ! Putting the system on for competition (very few times a year) and leave it off for the sun downers :-) Better not to ask for the price... |
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Post by rene460 on Jan 4, 2014 10:31:04 GMT
Hi Hansi,
The subject of a traveller on a 30i is interesting. I tend to be with psychotiller in feeling that it is probably not that important to you at this stage, I would go further and suggest that you will get much more from adjustable jib cars. More on that another time.
The trouble with a short traveller is that it soon runs out of range, and if you look at the angle from the end of a short traveller at seat level, to the boom, it is not that different from the angle of a long main sheet that goes down to the floor. Nearly the same down force on the boom (to control main sail twist) can be achieved by a little vang tension as you ease the sheet. Not perfect, but removes much of the incentive to add a short traveller, which is useful if it was neatly built into the boat like the Arcadia, but not worth obstructing the whole cockpit or losing the locker over. Your "poor mans solution" allows you to bring the boom to windward if you need to, but my feeling is that it is necessary to lift the boom a bit with a strut vang in light conditions and no amount of horizontal main sheet is enough. I would be interested to know if Marty pulls the traveller car to windward. If you want a real traveller, it needs to go right across the seats to be long enough, or better still, the cabin top version which gives good down force right out until the spreaders destroy any semblance of sail shape. I was not aware that Jeanneau now offer this on the SO30i, it was not available when we bought ours. I would like to know more about that one.
The big disadvantage of the cockpit floor sheeting position is that the sheet sweeps a lot of the cockpit on a gybe and requires crew to keep well clear. A traveller keeps it under better control. I can recommend installing a boom brake to control the worst aspects of this issue, as accidental gybes do happen, and even in light weather.
rene460
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Post by MartyB on Jan 4, 2014 18:20:44 GMT
If I had hansi's boat, if affordable per say, I would install the system that Malcolm linked. As that would allow me the width of the cockpit seats to move the traveler. Along with remove it out of my way when at port! Which as rene wondered, I typically use the distance from the outside lines of the cabin entry for most sailing. IE windward and reaching. Running I do put the traveler to the very outside. This does allow a few less feet/meters of line that need to be used for the sheet and on the cockpit floor etc. BUT, I would swag that 90+% of the time, a traveler that cross's the floor space will be better than a single point in the middle of the floor. I do pull the traveler to the windward side when I want the boom at center line going upwind. Typically in lighter winds vs med to heavier. Then the traveler may go to the middle to leeward side. At the beginning of a race when counting time to the start, I typically put the car to center until the final 30 secs or so to the start when making the final dash to the line, then we put the carr for most typical winds, up to 15 knots or so, a bit to windward.
Then when running, the sheet is not really the control for keeping the boom level, it is the vang, so to a degree, where the sheet is connected is not as important per say. I'm sure we could make an argument that the carr being all the way to port with boom the port side running down wind is best......vs being in the middle......
Having a traveler that is as wide as mine is, as shown, when at port, I can move the sheet/traveler all the way to the outside, and not have to deal with it from an ingress/egress standpoint for the cabin entry.
I'm sure that having travelers in the cockpit and in the way, has been the reason why many boats are coming with cabin top travler/sheeting arrangements. These are generally speaking, not as efficient at controlling the boom. BUT, they are out of the way, making putting a dodger and especially a bimini or enclosed cockpit cover doable. Or also as Hunter here in the states, and Beneteau in France has started putting an arch over the cockpit so one has end boom sheeting, but still allows one to have an enclosed cockpit cover etc. I've only sailed a 53' Hunter with a bimini once, and being able to see the main was horrible thru the maybe 1 foot square clear window at the top. No way to really see the jib/genoa we were flying.....granted a fun race, but the owner still wanted to do reasonably well. Made it horrible to steer the boat, or for folks to adjust the sails correctly. Maybe from a cruising standpoint this is ok. As the owner has been down the pacific coast from washington to mexico and back.....BUT I personally would not want incorrectly adjusted/trimmed sails, as you go slower, heel more, drift more etc. In the end, getting to the end place much slower and possibly in a more sea sickly way.....not a fun way to travel in my book!
I would agree with rene in that, having line control genoa/jib carrs are as important or more so than a main traveler.....but that as mentioned, is another thread or topic. Mine make adjusting the head sails really well. I do not have roller furling, but could not imagine having to go forward to pull a pin, kick a carr forward in rough stormy sea's as I furled up the jib some, so the jib is set correct. Where as from safety of my cockpit, I can pull a line and move the carr forward or back as needed.
Marty
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Post by Torsten on Jan 5, 2014 8:48:08 GMT
Thanks guys ! That's lot of stuff you wrote. I have to go through and think about it. But there seems to be lot of I can benefit.
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