SO30i - Staysail ?

[Torsten]

On my 2013 SO30i which is now (during german winter time) out of the water I tried to figure out the several pilot lines at the mast.

On one I am very unsure if I ever may need it. The lable at the mast inlet says "Staysail" the outlet is about half mast height.

How should or could this work on my SO30i ?

Does anyone has experiences on smaller boats (I read in this forum about SO42 sailors which think it is very useful) with a Staysail ?

Cheers

hansi

[MartyB]

Do you have a mini forestay? if so you could potentially put a storm jib on this stay. Or as noted a small stay sail jib......

I will take a guess that "most" of us, will use this line as a topping lift for a spinnaker or whisker pole. At least that is how I use the line I believe you are talking about.

Marty

[Torsten]

Thanks for your immediate reply.

I have a 7/8 rigg with just one forestay to the bow.
The mast height is approx. 12m and the halyard outlet (inlet labled staysail) is approx. at 6m height.
Right beneath the outlet of the topnant.

I have a halyard from top for the spinnaker so no need for one at half height ;-)

So a storm jib without an own foresray, hmmm ?

[MartyB]

"MOST" of us will use this halyard per say as a topping/pole lift for a spinnaker or whisker pole! At least that is how I use it! As many times you will need something to hold a pole up from the front of the mast.

marty

[Torsten]

I apologize for my understanding problems.

English is not my native language as I am german.

Do you say you carry your spinnaker pole in front of the mast (if not needed) and keep it lifted with the "staysail" halyard ?

Do you have an additional topnant halyard (because I have both) ?

If yes why not use this one ... :confused:

Maybe you have a picture ?

Thanks for your support

hansi

[MartyB]

I have relatives a few generations back with a Bauer and Yotz spelling of last names.....but that is as far as my german gets me.

The pole and that halyard is held up so it does not drop while flying a spin or a a genoa/jib going down wind. So you use the halyard at the top of the mast to top of the spin. The pole is held level with the halyard that is half way up the mast. I'll try to look at some of my pics and see if I have a shot that points this out. I do not believe I do. You would also have a down haul per say, that hold the pole down if the clew of the spin wants to lift. Between the two lines, the spin pole is held level per say.

Marty

[Torsten]

ok, thanks

[rene460]

Hi Hansi,

My SO30i also has the same fittings on the mast but the label at the lower end is "spin lift 1".  I believe it is, as Marty says, intended for a spinnaker pole up haul, used to take the weight of the pole and support it horizontal while setting up and raising the spinnaker.  It also holds the pole weight in very light winds when the pressure is no sufficient to hold it up.  It is only needed with a symmetrical spinnaker.  If you have an asymmetric, you don't need a spinnaker pole.  A whisker pole can sometimes be useful if you are trying to hold the jib out but does not usually need an up haul on our smaller boats.

Could you use it for a storm sail?   I suppose so, but you also need a tack fitting strong enough to take the necessary halliard tension.  A storm sail can really shake about when you have enough wind to need it, so you need lots of luff tension.  You will have seen what sailbleu installed to support the deck around his inner stay tack fitting, even though we have smaller boats it still needs to be strong.  The folding deck pad-eye is aft of the anchor winch, so the deck in that area in not so directly strengthened by the back of the anchor locker, and I am not sure that it would be strong enough.  I use it to hook down the spinnaker bag and also as a parking spot for the spinnaker halliard when not sailing, to hold it away from the mast, so it does not make noises in the night.  It would also be used as the anchor point for the spinnaker pole down haul as mentioned in Marty's post.

rene460

[Torsten]

Hi Rene,
Thanks for your comment(s) and I think I understood and agree.

Just to clarify I said I have an additonal "toppnant" but wasn't aware that this is a german expression for the spinnaker pole lift.
So I have one labled "spin lift 1" and one labled "staysail" (and one called "topping lift" at the same side of the mast).
Because I won't have a second jib stay this staysail halyard seems useless for me.

Thank you everybody for your patience with me.
 
Cheers 
hansi