dan
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Post by dan on Oct 21, 2013 5:35:07 GMT
Has any one Coppercoated their Jeanneau yet? and if so has it come up to your expectations?
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Post by electricmonk on Oct 21, 2013 7:02:04 GMT
yes, did it when the boat was new before she was launched in 2003, have never regretted it, a brilliant product.
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Post by MalcolmP on Oct 21, 2013 7:05:49 GMT
We had ours done from new start of 2008, so now has done 6 seasons. Overall very pleased, not perfect, but we have only got minor growth - normally weed around waterline which is really easy to clean off. There is always a light slime, but no barnacles. I always hated anti-foul paints, so we have avoided all that hassle and pollution.
The yard that did ours really stuffed up initially, so vital that you get a yard that is familiar with putting it on, has to be done in THIN coats otherwise will run in curtains. Also they "forgot" to do the bottom of the keel so after 2 seasons we had a mattress of horizontal growth... and then real hassle getting the bottom of keel re copper coated.
If you go for it get them to do some extra coats around the waterline so that if you have to scrub back you will still have lots of copper.
I think mine will still last quite a few years before any minor re-coating might be needed. Doing it from new was really cost effective as well as we got a credit for the antifoul paint and primer that would have been applied by the dealer.
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Post by dan on Oct 21, 2013 14:57:02 GMT
Malcom. Have you got away with out lifting from new? apart from having the bottom of the keel done.
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Post by MalcolmP on Oct 21, 2013 17:12:01 GMT
No, I have still pulled out most seasons, things like checking the cutlass bearing, anodes and greasing the prop, polishing topsides, etc also I have the bow thruster tunnel antifouled - but in fairness that doesn't get much growth. They originally tried to copper coat that, but you have to watch tip clearances.
I guess those checks could mainly be done with a quick lift out hold and relaunch, but I old habits die hard, but I still am very happy I have coppercoat c/w the all the hassle of paint
Malcolm
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Post by electricmonk on Oct 21, 2013 17:52:23 GMT
for information: we have lifted out only twice in 10 years, once to have a folding prop fitted and once 5 years ago to have a bow thruster fitted. We will be lifted again this year. Within these times I dive under the boat and have a look round. Fouling has not been an issue during the last 10 years.
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Post by dan on Oct 22, 2013 4:40:46 GMT
That's very encouraging and the sort of reply I was hoping for. last year I used Hempel here in the med and it was as good as useless, covered in growth in 2 months, even on the move. Here in the Med there are some very good 18 month contracts about so coppercoating would allow us to take advantage of these offers. As to who I would trust to do it is a different matter.
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Post by sailbleu on Oct 22, 2013 5:32:18 GMT
That's very encouraging and the sort of reply I was hoping for. last year I used Hempel here in the med and it was as good as useless, covered in growth in 2 months, even on the move. Here in the Med there are some very good 18 month contracts about so coppercoating would allow us to take advantage of these offers. As to who I would trust to do it is a different matter. First of all , what kind of Hempel did you use ? Strange though , I've spent 6 months in the Med. in 2010 using Hempel combic and had no growth what so ever. In 2011 (autum) I got carried away by the promising reports on coppercoat . But considering the price I decided to go for the DIY version . You know , regular epoxy and copper oxide powder. Ratio 1 part epoxy mix , 2 parts copperpowder (weight parts that is). Did everything by the book , sanded the lot before launching the boat and so on. In Portugal last year , halfway my 4 month trip the hull looked like a rainforest. Cleaned it completely the past winter and sanded some more to get the copper to the surface. This year ,only 2 months Northsea , my hull looked like,.......well see for yourself. This is how it looked in the spring of 2012 Sanded down to get the copper on top , and dealing with the patches of the boatchair. Sorry no pictures of the boat when it came out in 2012 after Portugal , but I can assure you , I needed a lawn mower to get it clean. September 2013 , again after sanding down before launch. Not a pretty sight isn't it. Nice contrast here , the bow thruster tunnel was done with some (old) leftover selfpolishing AF as a test to compare it with my coppercoat mistake. The result is astonishing isn't it. My advice on DIY coppercoat ,...dont do it , it's a wast of money. I allready have a 20 liter tin of Hempel AF waiting to get my boat barnacle and algea free for the next 3 or 4 years.
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Post by dan on Oct 23, 2013 5:49:02 GMT
Very interesting. That is severely barnicaled up. I would not consider the home made version even though Im always up for a bit of DIY!! Im thinking of using a puka coppercoat agent to do the work if I go ahead with it, if I can find one. Hopefully ill get some sort of guarantee!!
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Post by Seagem on Oct 23, 2013 20:01:54 GMT
Hi Dan, I did a different DIY copper flake/epoxy recipe to sailbleu (see other thread)and the jury is still out on its effectiveness but I am hopeful it will work as good as my friends yacht once I have abraded the hull and exposed the pure copper flake. However, the proper 'Coppercoat' is an excellent product, if somewhat expensive initially and I would certainly recommended it. If my experiment fails, I will use 'Coppercoat' and apply it myself. Another friend of mine used 'Coppercoat' on his yacht and it lasted 13 years before he decided to reapply further coats. He only ever had to jet wash the hull to bring it back to original condition and on one occassion it was in the water for 4 years! If you are up for DIY, it is easy to apply. The hard work is in cleaning all the old AF off and then lightly sanding the gel coat to provide a key for the 'Coppercoat' Do not be tempted to have the hull sand/shell blasted, it is very harsh and will cause more problems than scraping it off. It will expose any imperfections in the gel coat that will then need to be filled. There is a very good video on the 'Coppercoat' web site showing how it is done. Anyway, Good Luck! Regards Andy
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