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Post by MalcolmP on Oct 11, 2013 8:07:22 GMT
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Post by MalcolmP on Oct 11, 2013 13:33:13 GMT
This is the provisional spec:
Overall length: 10.34 m / 33' 11” Hull length: 9.97 m / 32' 8" Waterline length: 9.40 m / 30' 10” Beam: 3.44 m / 11' 3” Displacement: 5350 kg / 11795 lbs Standard draft : 1.98 m / 6' 5” Shoal draft: 1.49 m / 4' 10” Engine Yanmar: 21 Hp / 15 kW Sail area – standard: 57m² / 613 sq ft Sail area – performance: 60 m² / 646 sq ft CE Category: A6/B8 Designers: Marc Lombard - Jeanneau Design
Worth noting this is a Mark Lombard design (same as 379). Rig looks different with full beam shrouds and a rumour that the performance version may sport a "fat head" main. Also there are twin rudders peaking out of the image, maybe will be on both versions? Would be good to think there maybe a lift keel to follow.
Marty - how do these specs look to you?
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Post by jcnyb on Oct 11, 2013 14:57:53 GMT
Looks great ey? Nice to be able to chat about it a bit more openly - be interesting to know what the everyone on here makes of her! In Swansea where we are she will be an ideal boat for us with the locks and the tidal range...
Also I can confirm we are informed of a lift keel version to arrive shortly after the fin variant...
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Post by MartyB on Oct 15, 2013 3:36:12 GMT
Any word on how heavy the keel is?
Then 11K lbs for a performance cruiser seems a 2000lbs/1000kilos on the heavy side for for the SA amount. SA/disp is all of just over 20-1 with the performance SA, and a WL disp of 180. One is in the 18-1 with the std sail area setup. Not a real speed demon!
If you could get into the 750-800 sqf range, or drop the disp to 10K, then you get into the 22 to upwards of 25-1. Then you have a rig that can perform a bit better. Then again, not everyone has days where the wind never gets above 5 knots, ave 5-15!
Marty
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Post by so40gtb on Oct 16, 2013 2:09:22 GMT
Clever photography/images make her look much longer than she is. We'll take a closer look at the Strictly Sail Chicago show, where she's to debut in January. Don't expect that we'll trade our SO40 for her, though! Hopefully, the gaps between liner and hull, so obvious on the SO379, won't be repeated.
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Post by MalcolmP on Oct 16, 2013 9:48:32 GMT
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Post by finesse on Oct 20, 2013 13:22:05 GMT
Interesting, love the look and interior. Looks like a three point rig with no backstays!
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Post by MalcolmP on Nov 15, 2013 13:05:15 GMT
Promo video for the new SO349 just published
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Post by Anwen (Deep Joy) on Nov 15, 2013 22:08:38 GMT
Some interesting features I noticed in the video were the twin doors instead of a washboard, and the fold up nav station. It also appears that the intention is to fit a shaft drive rather than a sail drive, which some might like... The saloon still seems to have a lot less locker space than the 33i which obviously makes the saloon easier and cheaper to construct, but would be a deal breaker for me.
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Post by J349er on Dec 21, 2013 17:23:10 GMT
Nice little beast indeed... I like the shaft drive simplicity, I don't think there are any performance or mechanical drawbacks. The large hatches for the aft cabins under the cockpit benches are great for ventilation but they seem to take valuable space that could have been use for cockpit storage bins. Engine is 21HP, may be a bit under powered when comparing to Beneteau's Oceanis 34 which has a 29HP Yanmar. Aside from the cool factor, I am questioning the real necessity to have a dual helm on this boat size. It definitely adds complication to the steering system and nav instruments need to be mirrored to both sides. The freeboard seems to sit very high above the water line which may increase windage and make maneuvering in tight marinas under strong winds a bit harder. Interior design looks stunning, nice head and interesting version with a single berth/storage room aft cabin. The base 349 seems to be priced competitively but must have options can inflate the price pretty quickly.
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 21, 2013 19:01:53 GMT
Nice little beast indeed... I like the shaft drive simplicity, I don't think there are any performance or mechanical drawbacks. The large hatches for the aft cabins under the cockpit benches are great for ventilation but they seem to take valuable space that could have been use for cockpit storage bins. Engine is 21HP, may be a bit under powered when comparing to Beneteau's Oceanis 34 which has a 29HP Yanmar. Aside from the cool factor, I am questioning the real necessity to have a dual helm on this boat size. It definitely adds complication to the steering system and nav instruments need to be mirrored to both sides. The freeboard seems to sit very high above the water line which may increase windage and make maneuvering in tight marinas under strong winds a bit harder. Interior design looks stunning, nice head and interesting version with a single berth/storage room aft cabin. The base 349 seems to be priced competitively but must have options can inflate the price pretty quickly. Hi Telecam and welcome to the Forum. Good photo of the aft cabin/cockpit hatches. I think these would be good on all models. I have to say I am total convert to the dual helms, I think the stern width is a bigger factor than overall length when considering them. The new Elan 320 at only 9.55 m has them. They obviously add price, but only limited more complexity (well for single rudder versions as the same wire just goes over more pulleys. It is said to reduce "feel" but that is probably even more of an issue with twin rudder single helm boats I agree that shaft system have a lot going for them (providing you don't have cutless bearing issues) as always there is a compromise. Saildrives do make the boat quieter and less vibration prone. Sounds like you are in the market, so good luck with your eventual decision and let teh forum know (even if it is a different brand..) Malcolm
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Post by J349er on Dec 22, 2013 14:23:18 GMT
Thanks Malcom. Not in the market quite yet, I currently own a Beneteau 41. I have never sailed a Jeanneau with the German sheeting arrangement. On a boat like the 349 with what seems limited space around the helms and only two winches in the standard configuration, doesn't it get messy having all lines come to aft? Where do you store them? Also, when rigging an asymmetrical spinnaker, are lines run aft to the helms as well or would you use the optional winches to the coach roof?
Best.
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 22, 2013 16:30:37 GMT
On our 39i I had sheet bags made which just velcro to the guardwires They work well, and keep the surplus mainsheet and genoa sheets quite tidy. It looks like Jeanneua have put bins in front of the wheels on the 349. On the 409 at least and maybe the 379 Jeanneau have moulded bins for the tails you can see more on how I made the my mainsheet conversion to German style layout at: www.jeanneau-owners.com/hintsandtips/retrofitgermanmainsheet.htmlWhen I fly my asymmetric I also just use the main Genoa winches - The mainsheet is left on the windward winch, so it all works fine The twin helms are great for forward visibility and you can get very comfortable either hiked out to windward or if you prefer to duck down to leeward where you can see the genoa leech really well. Also good when motoring when you have lots of guests and the dodge/sprayhood up. Also on the twin wheels boarding from the stern is great as you don't have to climb around the wheel, overall I think I really great improvement over single wheels.
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Post by J349er on Dec 22, 2013 22:38:02 GMT
Thanks Malcom, good thoughts. Sheets bag looks good.
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Post by MalcolmP on May 12, 2014 21:47:20 GMT
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Post by normane on May 13, 2014 16:00:43 GMT
Interesting, love the look and interior. Looks like a three point rig with no backstays! It does indeed and the brochure illustration of the performance rig shows quite conclusively that the performance mainsail could not coexist with a backstay. Interestingly both the illustrations of the rigs show tri radial sails, though I wonder if they are optional extras. Even if the sail area / displacement ratio puts it in the cruiser category, well cut laminate sails can make a big difference to performance as I have proved with a slightly undersized tri radial laminate genoa on my 45.2 which has a fairly small rig for its size and displacement. I have seen 38 footers with taller masts than mine!
Personally the interior is not to my taste and externally I hope that the performance rig at least gains a mainsheet traveller, as the illustrations in the brochure appear to show the boat without one.
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Post by MalcolmP on May 13, 2014 18:11:57 GMT
Well worth watching Erik Stromberg providing an informative walk through on the new Sun Odyssey 349 and design philosophy. There are always checks and balances to be had, but personally I think it is good that big manufacturers are continuing to innovate and if there is both and performance and price improvement to be made then that is a plus. For example - just because we always have the weight and complexity of mainsheet tracks doesn't mean that is the only way of doing it
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Post by J349er on May 15, 2014 14:33:33 GMT
Performance sails are an option on the 349. Main performance has full battens and a square top and is 5 m2 larger than standard main. The main also comes with the pretty slick in mast Selden MDS track system that allows for easy hoisting and dousing. Not sure exactly what the performance sail fabric is and how durable it is.
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Post by J349er on Jul 9, 2014 8:19:58 GMT
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 9, 2014 11:05:26 GMT
Yes a factory visit is always very worthwhile , did you you to the main factory as well?
What options did you eventually opt for and have you taken delivery yet? Sorry for the interrogation ;-)
Interesting noting all those keel configurations in the post production line up - very versatile hull
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Post by J349er on Jul 9, 2014 22:12:49 GMT
Looks like Poiré en Vie is rapidly expending to become Jeanneau's main sailboat manufacturing with Les Herbiers focusing more and more on power boats. I saw a lots of Jeanneaus/Beneteaus being made at Le Poiré including the new Jeanneau 64 and Beneteau 35. My 349 left the factory the morning of my visit, I opted for a shoal keel (Chesapeake Bay...) and quite a few performance sail and rigging options. I feel like a nicely rigged 349 could be a lot of fun to sail
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Post by Quiddle on Jul 18, 2014 7:36:33 GMT
I hope that the performance rig at least gains a mainsheet traveller, as the illustrations in the brochure appear to show the boat without one. [/p][/quote] Is there a performance difference between a bridle and a traveler, or is the only disadvantage of the bridle the obstruction caused by the triangle of line beneath the boom?
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Post by tedp on Jul 18, 2014 8:24:12 GMT
I'm surprised at the use of a bridle to attach the mainsheet to. Unless there is a way of moving the attachment point from side to side, there's no way you can adjust the shape of the main like you can with a traveller.
Another thing that strikes me (if I look at the photo made at Cannes) is that the genoa sheets seem to run through a barber - there is what looks like an eye attached to a barber sprouting from the roof. There is no genoa rail that I can see.
It would be interesting to see more details of the way the sheets are rigged.
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Post by Anwen (Deep Joy) on Jul 18, 2014 21:20:04 GMT
The latest issue of Yachting Monthly has a review of the 349. The boat was tested during the media event in Cannes, and had F6+ winds to contend with. The conclusion was that the absence of genoa tracks did compromise trimming of a reefed sail, but the boat scored very highly on ease of use and liveability for a typical family new to cruising. Hopefully, the link below will take you to an edited version of the article. www.yachtingmonthly.com/reviews/boats/1/129181/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-349-yachting-monthly-review
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Post by J349er on Jul 19, 2014 6:52:55 GMT
I am not sure what 349 version the reviewer was sailing but the performance pack comes with adjustable genoa leads rings from the cockpit. This should provide for good trimming of a reefed jib no?
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