OEM Amiot traveller ?

[jennso37]

The boat we recently acquired came with much of it's running rigging simply bundled up at the base of the mast. I have all the halyards, sheets, reef lines and outhaul rigged with new line but the one that is baffling me is the traveler - I just can't figure out how it is supposed to be rigged to give me an effective mechanical advantage - the way I have it rigged right now (pic below) is simply a 2:1. In my opinion the traveller should be giving me 3:1 or 4:1 advantage and certainly there seems to be an extra pulley at the outboard ends, I am missing something pretty obvious, right guys ?.

[MartyB]

You should be able to fine the product here www.goiot.com/inc/?c=1&titre=Company

I personally do not see that traveler setup.

But from where I am, you should have the knot where you do, run it to the car, back to the outside, to the car, back to the outside and back to get 4-1.
3-1 would be knot at the carr, wrap to outside, to carr to outside then back.

At some point in time later, Jeanneau started to use Harken products too, that might be what you have vs the Amiot/Goiot deck gear.

Marty

[alex1949]

Hi, I have same short traveller on my SO40 DS. Your's is realy not installed correctly : There are two shives that you can use on each side of the traveler,the end with a simple knot should be attached on the car on both sides in the middle,than one round tawerd the upper shive and back to the car shive and back to the side lower shive and out through the outside block into clutch/cleat.that it . simple and good.I use two clutches because the old cleats couldn't hold the load.
I am here for anymore help if you need.
Alex

[hoppy]

I had the same traveller.

This is how the lines were rigged. Excuse my crappy ipad finger drawing


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[so40gtb]

Ours was rigged with a 2:1 purchase by the original owner. We re-rigged for 3:1, reversed lines, last year.

The Amiot is now gone, replaced by a Garhauer MT-UB2, 1.5 meters long. Much, much, much better! Purchase is 5:1, car travel length increased 67%. Plus 6:1 purchase on the mainsheet. You can probably extend the traveler to 1.7 meters, but I wouldn't go longer than that. "How To" article coming soon to "Hints & Tips".

--Karl

[ianqv]

Hi
You are defo rigged incorrectly.
Follow Hoppys post and it will give you more pulling power!!
Ill be at the boat in the next day or so... I'll take a pic of mine so you can see.

Regards

Ian

[ianqv]

Just found this pic..... I've added some extra pulleys, but you'll still see what to do.
Also, make sure that the center toggles swivels - if it doesn't it'll end up looking like this one!!



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[hoppy]

ianqv,

There looks to be something wrong with the way you have your lines. Because you have tied the ends to the traveller and not used the internal block, then you must be only getting a 1:1 purchase. I can't see what the additional blocks are achieving other than to send the lines back ad forth an extra time...

[davideso37]

As you can see there are many ways to rig the traveller. The kit as provided allowed for the line to start at the car where there is a post in front of the pulley, then to the upper sheave on the end then to the pulley on the car then to the lower sheave on the end. From there you can take it to the pulley on the opposite side and then to a leeward clutch.

If the rope diameter is too large the knot at the centre post on the car may foul the rope entering and leaving the car sheave. If it the rope diameter is too small it will not jamb in the clutch. I have put a small shackle on the car post and just knotted the end of the rope so that the knot stands up away from the rope that goes around the sheave.

My current arrangement is just 1:1 going to a windward clutch and then to a spare cabin top winch which most SO37's do not have. I am not particularly happy with the arrangement and have been looking at other options too.

If I was starting from scratch I would certainly go for a longer track as suggested by others but I would also like mainsheet not to catch on the traveller ends when gybing so some sort of guard up from the deck to the traveller ends would be desirable.

Regards

David

[Don Reaves]

I'm sure that with this arrangement, I would have tried an end-to-end splice with a smaller diameter rope so the clutch had a large enough rope to work with while the car had enough room to use the turning block. Luckily, my SO35 has a Harken traveler, and it doesn't have this particular problem. It has other problems, but they're minor in comparison.

Don

[davideso37]

Don,

I will take that suggestion on board. My crew was commenting on the worn and frayed rope last race.

Regards

David

[ianqv]

Well spotted!!
Apologies, Yes in my pic it WAS rigged wrong.
It was taken 2 years ago for the hints and tips section on how to replace the swivel "toggle" which always seizes up.

www.jeanneau-owners.com/hintsandtips/amiottravelerrepairs.html

Back to my original plan.... I'll take a pic the next time I go to the boat - It'll also act as a sanity check that at the beginning of this season, I did put it back together correctly!!

To be continued.......

[davideso37]

And how exactly did you remove the allen key head bolt from the traveller toggle? I would like to replace the pulley with something more compact but cannot budge that bolt.

Regards

David

[davideso37]

I have changed my mainsheet system again and am about to give it a try on Wednesday. With our oversize rig the factor of safety on our new boom with centre sheeting is only 0.9 so we have been using two falls of the end of the boom to spread the load. This arrangement worries me because the mainsheet slams across the cockpit in a gybe and even with tacking it is not the safest.
The new arrangement uses three hangers spread over the boom just aft of centre and should meet the strength requirements.

What I have done is a hybrid between the mainsheet system on the new Sun Odyssey 41 DS and the original in the SO37. The new DS just has a single block either side of the companionway so I have added a block to each end of the traveller and taken fall through one side, to the boom, back to a single block on the traveller, to the boom and back to the block on the other end of the traveller. Now the traveller is not as effective as the original but it has just one third of the load and having less load it can more easily be moved.

I have just finished the set up today and am looking forward to trying it out on Wednesday in a race as well as getting the crew's reaction to my latest fiddlings.

Regards

Davoid

[ianqv]

Hi

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[ianqv]

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[ianqv]

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[ianqv]

Aug 19, 2013 10:33:33 GMT davideso37 said:

And how exactly did you remove the allen key head bolt from the traveller toggle? I would like to replace the pulley with something more compact but cannot budge that bolt.

Regards

David

Lots of wd40!!
Does the toggle swivel from side to side freely?

Regards

Ian

[hoppy]

Aug 21, 2013 19:41:52 GMT ianqv said:

and another.......

much better