42i / 42DS anchor chain

[dan]

How much chain do you carry in your 42?
I'm thinking of increasing the amount we carry but don't want to make her to bow heavy.
Any thoughts appreciated.

[Tafika II]

We carry 300' + 10' rode at the end tied the a release ring

[dan]

Thanks for that Brent.
That's just the mount I'm looking to have, 10mm I presume?
Nice mod you have done with the bow roller etc, can you still sit the delta in the port roller along with he Rocna and bow sprit?

[Tafika II]

I don't know the diameter of the chain, but I can check it and get back with you. Thanks for the kudos on the bow roller. It's an extension only of the base plate, so the rollers stayed the same. Delta will fit just fine....it just won't ding up the hull.

[Tafika II]

The chain is 3/8" US Standard so 10mm would be right.

[MartyB]

Jul 30, 2013 22:59:41 GMT Tafika II said:

The chain is 3/8" US Standard so 10mm would be right.

That is a BUNCH of wt in the bow, swag about 500 with chain and anchor. One would have to have an equal amount in the rear to keep one from getting a lot of weather helm. I notice a 200 lb person on the front of my 30' boat, would not imagine trying to sail her with 300' of chain in the bow. Granted for me it would be 1/4 or 5/16 chain....I'll stick with a boat length of chain and 250-300 feet of rope rode. ALong with, the two armed windlass can hoist this vs ALL chain! LOLOL

marty

[manaia]

Manaia, a 43DS, has 40m x 10mm chain spliced onto 35m x 16mm nylon. We do mostly coastal cruising and haven,t used the nylon yet.
It's nice to know we can extend the rode but we don,t have a weight penalty in the bow.

[sitara]

My SO36i uses 10 mm chain (standard factory gypsy). I fitted 40 m chain and 100 m nylon rope. With the front water tank full the boat is somewhat bow down.

[Spritz]

In Mediterranean I have 60 meters of 10 mm chain and extra 75 meters of nylon rope 10 mm to add if the case...

[ianpowolny]

I change to 60m x 10mm ISO chain on our 45DS. I think I should have gone with 100m.
Ian

[hoppy]

I have just ordered an extra 30m which will give me about 95m x 10mm

I was thinking of adding a rope rode instead, but it required a new windlass to handle a chain/rope rode and I am not ready to upgrade this year.

[sailbleu]

Nearly a 100 meters 10mm chain ?
Wow , that is some weight .
I was thinking just the opposite and reducing my chain to 10 or 15 meter in combination with 60 or 70 meters rope.
Not sure if thats a good idea , you dont read that very often ,..boaters switching to rope that is.

Regards

Edit:

infact , what kind of windlass can handle chain and rope ? Next to the combo type (which I have) with gipsy and drum of course.
What is the proper procedure dealing with the transition chain >> rope ?

[MartyB]

Best way to handle a rope to chain is braid it together.

Just read an article in an NA rag, that mentions using cable for a few ft/meters after the anchor. There tests showed the cable would allow the anchor to dig a bit deeper, then used Dynema the rest of the way. This was in response to oil rigs at a ratio of 2-1 using anchor, cable then dynema to hold those items in place.

Another local rag, out of Vancouver BC, yeah about 140 miles north of me and across a country border, had an article showing for shallower waters, ie under 30-40' or about 10-12M that a shorter length of chain, ie a boat length or so and the rest rope rode would be better in winds over 20-30 knots. As in either case, all chain at 5 or 6-1 will be pulling on the anchor as will rope/chain at 7 or 8-1. In higher winds, a partial chain/rope at 10-1 held better. In deeper depths, then yes, all chain helped a bit better......but if in a hurricane.....a higher depth to rope ratio was better, ie 10 or 12-1. With rope being better as it stretched some vs all chain.

Probably like a lot of things in life, as some materials change, new come out, the old will go by the way side. I can still see chain or equal if in coral......or other major jagged rocky area's. But where I am, mostly sand to clay, ie mud with some gravel........not sure a lot of chain is ones friend overall. Maybe in the Caribbean, not in my neck of the world.

Marty

[hoppy]

Feb 19, 2014 5:56:41 GMT sailbleu said:

Nearly a 100 meters 10mm chain ?
Wow , that is some weight .
I was thinking just the opposite and reducing my chain to 10 or 15 meter in combination with 60 or 70 meters rope.
Not sure if thats a good idea , you dont read that very often ,..boaters switching to rope that is.

Regards

Edit:

infact , what kind of windlass can handle chain and rope ? Next to the combo type (which I have) with gipsy and drum of course.
What is the proper procedure dealing with the transition chain >> rope ?

I suppose to some extent the extra chain offsets the extra weight of the solar arch and the fat bastard at the helm

I solo a lot which means I tend to shy away from bays where the only choices are to use a shore line or anchor in the middle which is deep. It gives me flexibility to take the deep option. I've also been caught out a couple of times dropping the anchor too early when med style mooring.

This www.lofrans.com/product.php?id=2&categoryId=2 and other Lofrans mention "Rope and chain combination gipsy". That's what I would like to get eventually assuming it works the way I imagine, but for now the price of the extra chain is better for me.

[ianpowolny]

Hoppy, how are you joining the chain?

Ian

[ianpowolny]

I've answered my own question by buying a 8mm Crosby Lok-a-Loy connecting link for my 10mm chain. The link is certified to a working load limit of 2500kgs so well above the rating of the chain. It won't go around the windlass but I'll use the anchor chain hook to get over that problem.

The pencil is only there to give some idea of scale.



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[pbunning]

Joining chain, then suggest check out:

coxengineering.sharepoint.com/Pages/Clinks.aspx

[On y va]

Feb 19, 2014 5:56:41 GMT sailbleu said:

Nearly a 100 meters 10mm chain ?
Wow , that is some weight .
I was thinking just the opposite and reducing my chain to 10 or 15 meter in combination with 60 or 70 meters rope.
Not sure if thats a good idea , you dont read that very often ,..boaters switching to rope that is.

Regards

Edit:

infact , what kind of windlass can handle chain and rope ? Next to the combo type (which I have) with gipsy and drum of course.
What is the proper procedure dealing with the transition chain >> rope ?

Nothing, it all goes on the gipsy. The drum is for like pulling in a mooring line. I never ever use it really. Wish I didn´t have that drum thing sticking out in fact!

But 100 metres of 10mm chain is a huge amount of weight, in totally the wrong place. However, only 10 or 15 metre is really not enough either. Sailblue, a minimum I would recommend is 30 metres. You need to have some weight to keep the anchor steady and only 10 or 15 metre is not enough for that.