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Post by minnewaska on Nov 18, 2012 17:27:51 GMT
This is my wife's only major complaint about our 54DS. If there were a fire in the salon, the aft cabin offers no other way out. You can exit through a hatch in every other cabin, but those in the aft stateroom are too small. I do agree, that is is a safety flaw in the design.
Besides a good smoke detector and lots of extinguishers aboard, which we have, I've been trying to figure out an emergency exit.
I thought that a cordless sawzall might allow us to cut the cockpit sole open to get out. However, in the event of a fire that prevented going up the stairs, I wonder if there would be enough time. I've also looked at whether a hatch could be retro-fitted on the headboard, which would enter the life raft locker. However, the cover to that locker, can't be opened from below.
Anyone have to tackle this before?
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Post by MalcolmP on Nov 18, 2012 18:47:49 GMT
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Post by MalcolmP on Nov 18, 2012 20:28:49 GMT
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Post by minnewaska on Nov 18, 2012 22:36:05 GMT
Behind the nav table is a good idea. I'll have to measure to see if the hatch would be obstructed by the chartplotter that is mounted there. Assume there would be a leak threat over the berth, but I think we would accept that challenge to the current fire threat. The cockpit is below the bimini anyway and doesn't get direct rain.
Interesting idea. Should I be concerned about the structural integrity of the cockpit sole?
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Post by MalcolmP on Nov 19, 2012 8:42:35 GMT
I don't think you should be overly concerned about risk of leaks - these flush hatches are used on foredeck of many yachts and are becoming mainstream. As they are flush fit they do need a small drain to duct rainwater away from the seal, but that should be reasonably straightforward as there are already cockpit drains in the 54ds.
As regard strength, as these are an alloy frame it should only add to stiffness to the cockpit floor, so very unlikely to be an issue. The hatch probably would not need to open as far as 90 degrees for a safe exit - if you look at forward hatches you can probably achieve a opening dimension suitable for most people when the hatch is at 60 degrees or so,
Do keep the forum informed if you go ahead with something along these lines - If it was me I would look around for recommendations on local custom builders or yards. Where is the boat based? - someone on this forum may have recommendations
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Post by Seagem on Nov 19, 2012 14:50:45 GMT
I share your concerns, I have the same problem with the aft cabins on my 42i, especially the one next to the galley cooker but have consoled myself with smoke alarms and fire extinguishers in all of the cabins and a fire blanket next to the stb aft cabin door. We are also very careful about possible sources of ignition and eliminate the risks. Perhaps an automatic fire extinguisher system in the saloon may be an alternative to cutting new escape hatches through the deck. I would have thought that Jeanneau would have carried out a full risk assessment of this problem in the design stage. Who knows???
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Post by Jm621 on Nov 28, 2012 0:33:21 GMT
So I realize this is my first post, and I apologize for over simplifying this, but how many people have been injured or have been killed from being trapped in the aft cabin on a Jeanneau during a fire? In discussing a risk matrix, Jeanneau may have reviewed the risk probability, risk assessment and risk controls and since this isn't a documented problem probably chose not to install an escape hatch. Seriously, is this a real issue? How about reinforcing the spade rudder or fin keel to allow for an occasional hard grounding? There are plenty of things that Jeanneau could improve on their light to medium weight boats (battery capacity, led lights, stronger rudder posts, stronger keels, etc...). At the end of the day what's more likely to occur, a fire on board trapping people in the art cabin or the wet cell batteries (in the aft cabin) releasing gasses that cause illness. I apologize if I upset anyone but as a former US Naval Officer, USGC Master and current logistician for the USMC the question of probability vs actuality needs to be asked. With that said, the propeller on my 4 year old 36i has corroded, anyone hae an experience replacing? The manual is garbage...
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Post by sailbleu on Nov 28, 2012 7:00:37 GMT
So I realize this is my first post, and I apologize for over simplifying this, but how many people have been injured or have been killed from being trapped in the aft cabin on a Jeanneau during a fire? In discussing a risk matrix, Jeanneau may have reviewed the risk probability, risk assessment and risk controls and since this isn't a documented problem probably chose not to install an escape hatch. Seriously, is this a real issue? How about reinforcing the spade rudder or fin keel to allow for an occasional hard grounding? There are plenty of things that Jeanneau could improve on their light to medium weight boats (battery capacity, led lights, stronger rudder posts, stronger keels, etc...). At the end of the day what's more likely to occur, a fire on board trapping people in the art cabin or the wet cell batteries (in the aft cabin) releasing gasses that cause illness. I apologize if I upset anyone but as a former US Naval Officer, USGC Master and current logistician for the USMC the question of probability vs actuality needs to be asked. With that said, the propeller on my 4 year old 36i has corroded, anyone hae an experience replacing? The manual is garbage... Exactly my sentiments landseer. One should evaluate the ratio between risk and neccesairy efforts to eliminate that risk. The last thing I would do is make a major hole ( hatch) where the jeanneau designer(s) never intend to make one. Regards |
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Post by Seagem on Nov 28, 2012 15:08:25 GMT
Landseer, welcome and well said!
I think you will find that your propeller is held on a taper with a key-way, a locking washer and a large nut, which has an anode fastened to it with an allen key screw.
Remove the anode, straighten the washer which will have been bent up against the nut. Then remove the nut. You will then need either a set of pullers to pull the propeller off the taper or as I did, bash it with a lump hammer!
Do you know why the propeller has corroded so quickly? I suspect a lack of anode protection.
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