gennaker bowsprit or

[shakara2]

Hi to all,

we have spinnaker rigging at our lady 42i but mostly we prefer using gennaker at races without bowsprit and use pullpit for rigging tack line. Using this method is damaging navigation lights and gives to much tension to pullpit but yr ýrc rating is not going up . Can u advice how u use yr gennaker ? and if u have a picture of a bowsprit connection to hull can u pls email to me to hve an idea . [e-mail]

thnks
ates
sy shakara

[MartyB]

Are you actually attaching the tack to the pulpit? That is a quick and easy way to destroy a pulpit, as I really doubt they are designed to handle that kind of pressure.

I personally have a pully on my bow where my anchor is placed. Here is a at dock, you can see on the port side a line runing along the top of the cabin to the bow anchor, and then to where it is hooked to the pulpit when not in use.


I have not had any issues with the tack line hurting the pulpit or my navigation lights.

Here is a side shot, not sure if it shows the tack line real well, but a nice sunset shot a few weeks back none the less.




Marty

[flightdeck]

Hi shakara,
Our SO32 is 10 feet shorter than you , but we have just fitted a Seldon bowsprit, it protrudes out around 900mm (3 feet for you american's) and had a 65sqm asymmetrical spinnaker made to suit. Having the prod is well worth it, kite clears everything and is easy to gybe between for-stay and kite. So fare we have only been out in 10 knots (can't control the weather) but managed to hold 60AWA could push to 50AWA in 5-6knots and back around to 150AWA, at this stage the sweet spot is around 90-110AWA, we well see how that changes as the wind get's up, very happy with the result from my sail-maker.
Save your lights and pullpit get a bowsprit....do check that your kite would still fit first.
Cheers

[shakara2]

Hi marty ,

thnks for the photos and yr reply. I could not exprees ýt well yr rýght ofcourse we are not usýng pullpit. We use the same way we connect roler to the anchors place but we can not use ýt fm inside becaosue we have genoa furlýng roller there and ýt makes pressure to furling. I think the best way is to buy a bowsprit seems ý will not find a magic way.


thnks
ates
sy shakara

[MartyB]

A bow sprit will make it simpler! This will also allow you at some future time to have a larger spin made, as it makes you "J" measure 3' longer, so you mast to tack measure is also longer. Probably gaining you an extra 5-15% more sail area for an assymetric spin.

Another option, and I am not sure how pricey this will be vs a bowsprit. Is to replace the bow pulpit with a redesigned one, that maybe sticks out farther than the current one, along with putting the lights in a different place. Maybe someone nearby you can modify the one you have too!

The issue here is, which is cheaper, better, easier in the long run etc. Not sure what a bow sprit runs, but to me, the new pulpit would have to be 50-75% of the sprit cost or less to be worth it. Otherwise, the sprit in the long run would be easier and better.

Good luck
Marty

[renegade27]

The bowsprit gives you 3'? Not sure I'm setting up my Selden sprit correctly then -

Most of the length lies on the deck.

2006 SO 35 - I clip to the foremost lanyard clip - - a "D" ring that lays down. The rest goes through the plastic lined stainless hole in the bow plate assy (opposite the anchor).

I'll have to check, but I think this only gives me 18" - 2' forward of the stay - - and having a tough time doing jibes. Maybe this is the reason?

Where else would one clip the Selden sprit inboard clip to?

[MartyB]

renegade,

It's possible you are only getting 2' with out looking at the specs. IIRC the longer boats like the OPs 42'r get a bit more length than what your 35 or my 30'r will get from a Seldon sprit. He may be getting 3' or so with a longer boat etc.

Marty

[krawall]

We're getting around 40cm (1.4ft) with our bowsprit on our SO36i. Yes, two thirds of it are on deck. Still a most useful addition.

Tom
SY Vega

[flightdeck]

OK you got me It's 880mm or 34.5 inch's, but what's an inch between friends.
I bought the 75mm Selden bowsprit and their bow bracket. The bracket fit's well on the port side of my S/S bow roller setup and the pad eye went on the port side of the anchor winch, end result is a tack point in the center protruding out 880mm from the bow bracket and I have 1350mm on the deck.
Selden's specification chart has max 955mm protrusion for a 4.5T yacht like our SO32 or 839mm for a 5.2T yacht with out a waterstay, so we are well inside those spec's. The pole is supplied at 2230mm long which was just perfect as I did not have to cut anything off.
The wife is happy to use the spinnaker with just the 2 of us onboard in 10-12 knots of breeze where we have seen 7-8knots of boat speed, not bad for a fat 32 footer.
The best part from the wife's side is we can gybe it, drop it, all done from the cockpit and in a calm manner, it's all KISS (keep it simple stupid....none of that other funny stuff) That keeps her happy, keeps us sailing, keeps me happy.
It's a win-win all round, the Selden product is great, just a shame it took me nearly a year to get one.
Cheers

note: the Selden 99mm pole is some 930mm longer again, so it should be easy to get a 1200+mm (4+ feet) overhang if that is what you are looking for

[flightdeck]

Last race of the season had a 7-8mile leg with the wind at 7-10knots ( I think...Offshore can correct me here) straight up the back, not the best when you run an Aso.
We had to keep 150AWA to maintain a fair boat speed, the interesting part was we kept crossing the same yachts path even made a little ground, we sailed a longer leg, but at much better speed, the wife and I worked like dogs, but boy are we good at gybing now in light weather. Again the Aso was easy to handle with just us 2 onboard, the reward was a win on corrected time ;D
All thumbs up for the Aso and a bowsprit

[Don Reaves]

I've had one on my wish list as long as I can remember. If only the money weren't a big issue now...

Don

[renegade27]

Congrats on the corrected win, Flightdeck!

My crew's been practicing to set and jibe the asym - still time consuming/ wasting (for a race) but great fun for sailing around... we tried it in one race and spent the entire broad reach leg trying to untangle the sock lines...

You and you spouse have this down! Good for you!

[flightdeck]

Thats why we use a turtle bag, some call them box bags, once the line's have been attached, which you do before rounding the mark, everything can be done from the cockpit, set-trim-drop, minimal time on the deck. OK we only have a 65sqm Aso some of you have twice that and take it that could be a hand full, specially as most of us can't pull it down between the main foot and boom due to lazy jacks / boombag, but it all comes down to practice practice practice.
Don don't get tempted to buy an off the shelf Aso, I have seen a few people here doing that as they are "cheaper" they just never seam to fit well or preform as they should. Get the sailmaker involved.

[offshore]

Hi flight deck

You might have been getting 7 to 10 with some apparent breeze. We were running square with a 110 square meter regular kite and we were seeing 0 to 10 knots. Every time we had a little run we would outsail the breeze and finish with the kite hanging straight down. Well done on the series win.

offshore

[flightdeck]

I remember there was not much wind, we tried all kind of desperate stuff, at one stage we even poled out the Aso-no good, more angle's, think speed, think more speed, FASTER.
Offshore, I have to say we were VERY surprised to take out the series in our Div2, the win in race 11 and 12 must have been what got us there.
Bragging rights for the next 12months and then watch us fall to the bottom of the heap next year.

[flightdeck]

1 more comment on this gennaker stuff from me
Yesterday was our last race for the season, for the first time we had a 4 man crew, sailed much better for it, too often we are only 2-3.
Home run was 2 legs under spinnaker first one at 160AWA which we could not hold with the Aso had to come up to 150AWA, had to make a tack in as we got closer to the mark. Last leg was at 110AWA in 12-14TWS, sitting at 7.5 - 8knots with top speed of 9knots (GPS)
Being the person who generally ends up doing the foredeck + other stuff (due to lack of crew) I would not change the Aso for a symmetrical spinnaker, it's not always perfect, but we can make it work most of the time. And again easy to handle.
The sail shape was made after talking over my needs with my sailmaker, I think that's an important point.
Oh, did I say we won the race ? what did we win?
a "well done to Flight Deck"
GO you Jeanneau's, we can do it in mixed fleet's.
Cheers

[dan]

Sharara2.

We two have a 42i and use the Selden 75mm genaker pole
its fantastic. The max protrusion for the 42i s weight is 600mm.

You end up cutting 75mm off it to achieve this.

Dan

[barcaso]

Hello,
you can find a short video of our SO39ip with asymmetric and bowsprit here:

Regards
Jo

[gowell101]

Very interesting reading the above topic and as well as the vid clip.
I'm about to set up an assy gennaker on our SO40.3 and wondering how others have set up blocks, extra winches and tack line. As well as a Selden sprit.

Does anyone use a barber hauler on sheet line?

We are also getting a snuffer to make things easier, hopefully.

Some detailed pics would be very welcome to help us out.

1st post, great site for Jeanneau info.
Many thanks,
Bill

[davideso37]

Flightdeck and Offshore,
I while back my wife and I put up a mates asy just by itself and we were seeing 7kts in about 11kts of breeze. For running square what are the rules about dropping the main and poling the genoa out one side and the asy out the other side? I am in Sydney and heard of a Farr 1220 doing three days from NZ to Sydney with genoas poled out both sides.
Regards
David

[flightdeck]

Hi David,
Don't know if there is a rule......are you thinking racing, in that case I think you will loose the race with that set up. One of my crew sailed a lot with 2 genoas in his cruising days, works very well he said, good balance and no boom crashing over, and in most case's a genoa has a larger sqm area than a main. You may struggle to find a pole long enough to pole out an Aso ;D

Cheers

[rene]

Having just returned from sailing our SO 36i from Pula, Croatia to her new berth in Messolonghi in Greece, here are some experiences with our assymetric gennaker.

We bought ours as a stock sail from North Sails direct and it fits the 36i perfectly. North Sails was about half price of what the sailmaker asked, so we went for North Sails and never regretted it.

For the fabric we had the choice between 0.75 oz and 1.5 oz: we went for 1.5 oz so we use the gennaker up to 20 kts true wind speed. The gennaker takes this very well, but above 20 kts the boat starts to have problems (broaching). We can also use the gennaker with light winds, in spite of the heavier cloth.

We fly the gennaker from the standard bowsprit that came with the boat and this works fine.

We also ordered the snuffer and that is in our opinion a must-have. At about 85 square meters or about 900 sq ft, I need all of my 85 kilos to pull the snuffer down. I would not know how to do that without the snuffer in 20 kts wind. (the snuffer got lost in the mail, but North Sails sent another one without complaining. A little while after it arrived the 2nd snuffer arrived, so we returned that to North Sails).

The only minor problem we have is when launching the gennaker: the thick sail cloth makes it sometimes a little hard to pull the snuffer over the patched area where the sheets are attached. A jerky pull does the trick.

For jibing we need a crewmember on the foredeck, swinging the gennaker in front of the forestay. We have tried to jibe by letting the gennaker fly loose all the way in front of the boat (as recommended elsewhere in this forum) but this did not work for us as our sheets hung in the water and we started to sail over them.

An experienced crewmember that sails regattas showed us how to steer the boat with the gennaker up in a lot of wind: you have to steer more aggressively in order to control the boat.

We use the gennaker very often. In light winds it makes the difference between sailing or motoring. From other yachts we get thumbs-up all the time when we fly our gennaker. We love it!

Rene

[jacoset]

What is the right diameter for alu selden bowsprit on sun odyssey 39i?
What is the USL (unsupported lenght) of this one?

Thanks

[ChilliChilli]

Hi
I have recently had an issue with a Seldon genneker pole. I had one fitted to my SO44i and used it, only for the second time during a passage to the Canaries.
We were in about 15knts of wind which was just aft of the beam and after about an hour the pole snapped just in front of the collar attached to the stem head.
Subsequent enquiries revealed that it was one size down on the recommended size. It was in fact the 85mm dia recommended for the 42i.
Ok so it should have been the next size up but it does not seem to me that there is much of a margin for error here. After all, it was only 15knts of breeze, we were not hard pressed or broaching.
I was offered an upsized replacement at a discount but have decided to see how we get on with the tack line through a snap shackle attached to the stem head.
Cheers
Tim

[Don Reaves]

Tim,

Please report your experience with using a snap shackle on the stem head. I've wanted to add an asymmetrical chute but didn't want to add the complexity or cost of a sprit.

Thanks,
Don