barryl
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Posts: 49
Jeanneau Model: Sun Odyssey 409
Yacht Name: Sound’s Great
Home Port: Mt. Sinai, NY
Country: USA
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Post by barryl on Jan 14, 2022 21:55:08 GMT
Hello, My new to me 409 did not come with a stereo system, at least not one I can find. There are 2 speakers in the main cabin, at least they look like speakers but I can't see the backside to know if there are any wires connected. There are no speakers in the cockpit. Anyway, I would like to have a stereo system installed. I have a B&G Zeus plotter and NMEA2000 network so I am thinking of a Fusion head unit with NMEA connectivity. Any comments on that, in particular the RA70NSX? www.fusionentertainment.com/marine/products/stereo-units/ms-ra70nsxWhere do most people mount the cockpit speakers? It seems I have two choices, along the transom, where the gas bottles are stored and where the shore power is connected, or at the base of the two lockers in the cockpit. See the pictures where I have highlighted what I think are the best locations.  Any comments on one location vs the other, or is there a better location? Thanks, Barry |
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talise
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Valencia until Spring.
Posts: 37
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Post by talise on Jan 14, 2022 22:18:41 GMT
Hi Barry, The right hand location in the cockpit lockers where you sit is where they are mounted on my 45DS. I beleive this was a factory fitment. However note two things : 1. You'll need some kind of back shell to protect them against being damaged by items in the locker. 2. I had to replace mine as the speaker cones had rotted away and that effectively left two big non-watertight holes in the cockpit  I'd have a poke around and you might get lucky and find there is some pre-wiring that might help, I've found quite a bit of that on my boat. Duncan |
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Post by NZL50505 on Jan 15, 2022 0:06:54 GMT
On my 42DS they were in the larger central cockpit lockers bit v probe to damage. In our 50DS they were mounted in the aft cockpit lockers pointing forwards. A bit less prone to damage and still great sound (pointing at you)!
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Post by jlasail on Jan 15, 2022 13:28:31 GMT
On my SO 409, the cockpit speakers are mounted inside the line storage space at the helms locations. On the starboard side for instance it is behind the gas lever on your posted picture.
They are well protected there, it was a factory or commissioning install in my case.
Jl
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Post by zaphod on Jan 15, 2022 17:41:53 GMT
On our 39i they are located in the lockers behind the helms facing forward. There was factory wiring pulled to that location, but whoever installed them pulled better wire to that location.
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Post by Tafika II on Jan 15, 2022 19:52:44 GMT
2008 SO42DS they are on starboard & port sides of the vertical lazzerette wall. The inside is accessible and the speakers (Bose) are in waterproof enclosures  |
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Post by puravida35 on Jan 15, 2022 19:59:08 GMT
From factory, my SO439 has the cockpit speakers are in the line boxes beside each helm. Same as on 409/419.
I personally don’t like that location as crew forward of helm tend to turn the volume up because they can’t hear the speakers as well from their more forward position. I find this distracting while at helm, especially if trying to monitor VHF communications. Helm gets too much sound, forward crew not enough sound. I plan to install a Fusion sound panel on the underside of the cockpit table. This should provide adequate sound for the entire cockpit without overwhelming the helm stations with noise. This just my personal preference.
We installed B&G SonicHub 2, thus eliminating the need for a wired control head as the Zeus & Vulcan plotters provide the audio controls. Having a plotter in the cockpit and at Nav station mean I can control audio from either location. It’s a concealed box that has a remote USB connection (optional) otherwise it offers built in Bluetooth support, Panadora interface, Serius/XM support.
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Post by jdl01 on Jan 15, 2022 20:53:26 GMT
On the SO379, the factory choice for speakers is the forward face of the two aft lazaret / helm seats. The weakness of this location is that you often kick the speaker grills with your heals while standing at the helm. I'm looking at having to replace the grills with something more substantial.
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Post by zaphod on Jan 16, 2022 3:02:35 GMT
On the SO379, the factory choice for speakers is the forward face of the two aft lazaret / helm seats. The weakness of this location is that you often kick the speaker grills with your heals while standing at the helm. I'm looking at having to replace the grills with something more substantial. I just replaced my cockpit speakers with a pair of Alpine marine speakers They sound great and the grilles are strong enough to withstand a pretty good kick, although I do wonder what you do at the helm that has you kicking them all the time! |
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Post by ohana on Jan 16, 2022 16:31:38 GMT
From factory, my SO439 has the cockpit speakers are in the line boxes beside each helm. Same as on 409/419. I personally don’t like that location as crew forward of helm tend to turn the volume up because they can’t hear the speakers as well from their more forward position. I find this distracting while at helm, especially if trying to monitor VHF communications. Helm gets too much sound, forward crew not enough sound. I plan to install a Fusion sound panel on the underside of the cockpit table. This should provide adequate sound for the entire cockpit without overwhelming the helm stations with noise. This just my personal preference. We installed B&G SonicHub 2, thus eliminating the need for a wired control head as the Zeus & Vulcan plotters provide the audio controls. Having a plotter in the cockpit and at Nav station mean I can control audio from either location. It’s a concealed box that has a remote USB connection (optional) otherwise it offers built in Bluetooth support, Panadora interface, Serius/XM support. Hi - on my 439 i have the same setup as you, and find the same problem. Have been considering various options while mindful of proximity to each compass just forward of each wheel. Like you, been thinking of mounting something under the cockpit table - can you send a link for the Fusion sound panels you mention? Another option i have been considering are sound trandsucers - Vidsonix www.vidsonix.com/vx_trans.html recommended from various yacht owners on the YBW forum see forums.ybw.com/index.php?threads/the-right-way-to-do-cockpit-speakers.415231/ |
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Post by puravida35 on Jan 17, 2022 18:21:33 GMT
Ohana, here is a link to the Fusion Sound Panel: Fusion Panel They offer a few spacer options. I plan to use the thicker spacer to minimize cut outs. Since there is already a wiring conduit for the table lights and plotter, it should be easy enough to route the speaker wires to the table. Problem might be getting to the speaker wires  |
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Post by ohana on Jan 17, 2022 20:30:02 GMT
Ohana, here is a link to the Fusion Sound Panel: Fusion Panel They offer a few spacer options. I plan to use the thicker spacer to minimize cut outs. Since there is already a wiring conduit for the table lights and plotter, it should be easy enough to route the speaker wires to the table. Problem might be getting to the speaker wires Hi thanks, I had not seen this unit from Fusion, it looks potentially ideal. Like you I had thought about under the table as there are no other options in the forward cockpit area without making more large holes and intruding into the aft cabins or the cockpit lockers. Its IP rating should keep it protected OK. Have you checked it will fit OK dimensionally? I have a feeling that my cockpit table may not be wide enough. |
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Post by ohana on Feb 17, 2022 22:47:58 GMT
An update - I bought the fusion unit suggested by puravida35, it will fit under the cockpit table of my SO439 (just!J with the full depth spacer. Planning to fit over the next few weeks.
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Post by puravida35 on Feb 18, 2022 15:12:19 GMT
Ohana, glad to hear the Fusion unit worked out.
I measured the underside of my table and it looked like it should fit (barely), but good to have that confirmed.
Did you need to put any backing on the speaker (other than the spacer)? I know the speaker has IP65 rating, but wasn’t sure about backside exposure.
Please update with findings about running the wires. I haven’t yet rummaged around for the existing speaker wires.
Hope to get a Fusion unit soon.
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Post by ohana on Feb 18, 2022 19:44:26 GMT
Puravida35 - I have yet to actually fit the speaker, plans ongoing!
The speaker seems sealed all round, but I plan to use sealant where the spacer meets the underside of the table. Wiring should be OK as there is internal access inside the table assembly for wiring. One aspect to consider is safe-distance to nearby compass. The fusion instructions are very helpful on this point, giving min distances in X, Y and Z planes. Distance to helm compasses are OK, but the autopilot compass is almost directly beneath and in that plane, the safe distance is not achieved! However, easy fix, I am just relocating the autopilot compass.
Will report back as installation proceeds during these winter months.
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barryl
Full Member
Posts: 49
Jeanneau Model: Sun Odyssey 409
Yacht Name: Sound’s Great
Home Port: Mt. Sinai, NY
Country: USA
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Post by barryl on Mar 6, 2022 1:28:32 GMT
Hello, i had the cockpit speakers installed in the small that holds the tails of the sheets. So far so good. The radio will be installed next week and then i can hear how it all sounds.   |
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Post by ohana on Mar 8, 2022 21:37:24 GMT
All looks good! This is the same place as on my 439.
Meantime, I have installed the base for the additional fusion speaker under the cockpit table, next job is to run the wiring and fit.
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Post by ohana on Mar 28, 2022 19:09:20 GMT
Hi - pleased to report that the Fusion sound panel is now installed under the cockpit table and connected. I have a Fusion SonicHub (original version from 2012), it has power outputs for 2 sets of speakers (Zones 1 and 2which are currently one set in the cabin and one in the aft end of the cockpit. The fusion unit has one other "line out" output (Zone 3) - I have connected this to a 12v amplifier from ebay to provide the power for the new fusion sound panel.
Preliminary tests are good, while the fusion sound panel speaker is not in a optimum position, or facing the best direction (!) the sound is good an makes an excellent addition.
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Post by puravida35 on Mar 28, 2022 19:30:13 GMT
Glad to hear it’s working out! I’m encouraged to get my installation going.
I didn’t realize it would require a separate amp… but good to know.
Did you leave the old speakers connected as zone 2? Using zone 3 output for the fusion panel makes sense, probably a lot easier to run a new wire as opposed to tracing the old speaker wires.
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Post by ohana on Mar 28, 2022 20:01:56 GMT
The original cockpit speakers are left untouched, connected to zone 2. The additional wiring for the new fusion speaker under the table was relatively easy to run up into the cockpit table, with space inside to make connections. I had to fill in one of the table locker drain holes as the speaker is mounted directly underneath. The amp was only £30 or so, and there are plenty of these car type amps to choose from. The fusion sonic hub also has a switched 12v supply output for such an amp, so the amp only comes on when the sonic hub is on.
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