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Post by markclement on Feb 12, 2022 21:16:51 GMT
Jeanneau 51 Code D type furling A3 Phillips sails Australia Objective was App 120 to 160 deg / 8 to 18kts true wind speed - as full as will still furl easily. Solution was Karver top down furling sewn into luff = 170M2 It is exactly what I was after. Regards Mark SV Beyond Cool
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Post by rene460 on Feb 13, 2022 2:37:59 GMT
That looks fabulous, Mark. You would really be flying in 18 knots true wind! But of course, sailing downwind reduces the apparent wind so I assume still quite manageable. And all that area makes downwind in light airs fun too.
rene460
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Post by markclement on Feb 13, 2022 4:04:20 GMT
That looks fabulous, Mark. Â You would really be flying in 18 knots true wind! Â But of course, sailing downwind reduces the apparent wind so I assume still quite manageable. Â And all that area makes downwind in light airs fun too. rene460 Hi Rene, I have not had it up in 18 kts yet but 12/14 so far. The whole concept was for deep angles so even at 18knots true at 160 deg App the furl would take place in approx 10 knots apparent - and we would probably put the motor on to keep the speed at 8.5 kts as we furl to keep the apparent wind around 10 knots which is very manageable. Objective is safe no drama spinnaker furl and the top down action with the cable in the luff gets the full head away first.
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Post by moonshadow on Feb 14, 2022 11:16:35 GMT
I’ve been following this thread and previously commented on my code zero, selden roller furled. One idea that I see is that these sails are all different fir different boats, sailors, locations etc. There is a lot of overlap in the names and designs. Meeting with a sailmaker that will listen to what you want to achieve and learning the different cuts and designs are well worth the time. If you aren’t racing you can have a sail built that crosses the lines that might be locked into with a “zero” vs a “D” etc. Call it what you want but it might probably become your favorite sail if it is made for your needs rather than some standard design.
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Post by markclement on Feb 14, 2022 12:32:27 GMT
I’ve been following this thread and previously commented on my code zero, selden roller furled. One idea that I see is that these sails are all different fir different boats, sailors, locations etc. There is a lot of overlap in the names and designs. Meeting with a sailmaker that will listen to what you want to achieve and learning the different cuts and designs are well worth the time. If you aren’t racing you can have a sail built that crosses the lines that might be locked into with a “zero” vs a “D” etc. Call it what you want but it might probably become your favorite sail if it is made for your needs rather than some standard design. Excellent advice Moonshadow. We spent a lot of time with Craig Phillips (ex sailmaker and project manager - Oracle Racing America’s Cup) discussing our objectives: - has to be reliable furl system (when it is to be put away it needs be able to do it every time without drama) - wanted a sail to sail deep (120 to 160 App) with the fullest possible that will still reliably furl. - we with Craig looked at the current options around and Craig worked with Karver. - the end result was similar to an A3 with a full head but still a stable sail. Craig has three different weights in the design and unique in that it uses a Karver KSF5 top down furling AT cable system with the cable in the luff flying from a Seldon gennaker pole. This results in the full head section being the first to furl and enables a tidy full furl. As you say Moonshadow developing a solution with a talented sailmaker is very satisfying and results in the sail shape, deployment and retrieval objective s being met.
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