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Post by 795hopeful on May 9, 2021 15:40:07 GMT
I love the boat, the layout, the look, the price. But looking at this forum I am seeing alot of structural issues rearing their ugly heads across the line from sail to power. The dealer I talked to said they are in the process of updating the 795 to the series 2 and there is a nationwide virtual meeting regarding the new model. Has Jeanneau done anything to improve on the structural quality in the brand new boats? I mean one guy put his toe through the floor of his boat? Everyone in my family is super excited about moving to a pilothouse style boat from a center console. Jeanneau seems to be the only company with this style of boat that has entered the US market. The rest here like Parker, Stiegercraft, and Defiance are bare bones and very expensive but they are tanks. Have improvements been made? Thank you!
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Post by sapient on May 9, 2021 18:10:05 GMT
As owner of a 795 for almost three years, I am happy enough to place a order for a 2022 895 Sport / Marlin for end of the year delivery. Of course this is subject to change due to the current huge backlogs at the boat and engine factories among others.
Most folks know boat could be a complicated toy. On top of that it’s manufacturing process is not like TVs or Cars, where quality control is lot more automated and strict. In the US market, Jeanneau 795 / 895 are made in the US, not sure if the Marlin / Sport line is still imported from Poland or not.
My fully loaded 795 with autopilot, solar and inverter fitted by the dealer is a very reliable and simple boat, I have experienced zero problems. Given the price point Jeanneau is asking for these, it is a reasonable quality product.
Before placing the order on the 2022 895 Sport, I did try out the Axopar, Sargo and my close friend’s Nimbus 11. In terms of quality Sargo is the best, second by Nimbus and Axopar. There are full pilot house style boat with deep V hull which handle chops better than Jeanneau Sport / Marlin product. The price point is higher. So you do pay for higher quality, material and workmanship.
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Post by 795hopeful on May 9, 2021 19:57:10 GMT
Are you saying as far as build quality Jeanneau is behind the rest of these builders?
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Post by sapient on May 9, 2021 21:09:54 GMT
Are you saying as far as build quality Jeanneau is behind the rest of these builders? Due to the price point difference, level in quality is part of the game. Like any other mass produced products, something has to give when the price point is lower. Just for reference, Sargo 30 ft is about $450-$500K, Nimbus $400K, Axopar 28ft $250K. Some of the Sargo premiums are due to Stern drive power trains while both Axopar / Nimbus in the example are OBs. Jeanneau is one of the largest boat builders in the world, I think they offer a decent quality product for the price point. Can’t compare Apple Watch with Rolex. Both products serve their purpose at different price point. If your budget allows, definitely look into Axopar or Nimbus for their outboard powered pilot house models. |
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Post by nc on May 9, 2021 21:16:48 GMT
Hi,
I checked a lot of boat'brand, and boat's quality depends of whom is doing the inspection. As soon that you are opening every access and going with a camera in the tight spot, you will see a lot of disappointing things.
And for Jeanneau, quality is very good but the composant design are not even, as example , holding tank in the 895 Marlin on port side = bad design, no level gauge for fresh and holding tank = bad engineering
And I can continue...
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Post by 795hopeful on May 9, 2021 22:37:13 GMT
Im not as worried with some design flaws maybe some ugly things under the hood. I am worried about super thin fiberglass, gelcoat issues, flexing floors, a vessel in a head sea that feels like its falling apart. I will likely order the boat with very few factory installed items and do the work myself on most items. I know I saw an example where a gentleman went right through the floor in the head area of the boat. That kind of thing concerns me.
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Post by nc on May 9, 2021 23:57:10 GMT
At first I was looking at Regal 33 express 700hp, I looked at it in real and took a lot of pictures. Performances with 700 are just outstanding, it is able to turn F5 prop and easily run at 3000rpm!!! But, from my pics and video from the web, I noticed that the bow thruster wasn't design as the 28 express, just an hole in the hull and below water line at cruising...and I found other things and I dropped that boat. I found the 895 sport, I had the chance to see some 895 sport, 895WE and 795 side by side, and from my eyes the 895sport is well made and sounds strong when hitting the hull and structural component. As example the aft floor hatch, it is a well done composite structure...no comparison with 795.
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Post by fritz on May 10, 2021 15:30:47 GMT
I love my 795 series 1 but it's been a challenge dealing with all the quality issue and frankly Jeanneau laissez faire approach to dealing with them. It's been 7 months since I discovered the bow thruster insert failed, a hell of surprise when I hauled out for the first time. Jeanneau hasn't been able to provide an ETA to when the part would be replaced, the part was re-designed so they knew they had an issue.
it's going on 5 weeks now at the dealer having the helm (toe hole fixed) and the floor flex at the head repaired. The dealer failed to arrange to have the non-skid template in Seattle, so the boat will have to go back to have the 27 holes they drilled in the floor covered with in non-skid. Insert-face palm.
Talking to other boat owners - this is an industry standard problem. A brand new Hewescraft, a dock over from me, had to have its heating system ripped out and replaced because it was installed wrong. The owner had to also modify the anchor setup because it was blocking his field of view.
DM if you want more of the pros and cons of owning a 795.
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Post by 795hopeful on May 10, 2021 15:37:29 GMT
I love my 795 series 1 but it's been a challenge dealing with all the quality issue and frankly Jeanneau laissez faire approach to dealing with them. It's been 7 months since I discovered the bow thruster insert failed, a hell of surprise when I hauled out for the first time. Jeanneau hasn't been able to provide an ETA to when the part would be replaced, the part was re-designed so they knew they had an issue. it's going on 5 weeks now at the dealer having the helm (toe hole fixed) and the floor flex at the head repaired. The dealer failed to arrange to have the non-skid template in Seattle, so the boat will have to go back to have the 27 holes they drilled in the floor covered with in non-skid. Insert-face palm. Talking to other boat owners - this is an industry standard problem. A brand new Hewescraft, a dock over from me, had to have its heating system ripped out and replaced because it was installed wrong. The owner had to also modify the anchor setup because it was blocking his field of view. DM if you want more of the pros and cons of owning a 795. Thank you will do. |
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Post by lynnardm on May 10, 2021 15:39:50 GMT
My 2019 NC895 (built in the USA) is a solid well built boat. I’ve not come across any serious design or build quality issues. The materials and quality of supplier items used is excellent. There were a couple quality issues such as installing non-stainless bolts for the swim platforms. They have been corrected under warranty. The boat hull and structure is solid and has a beefy feel. Everything inside is solid with no movement or vibration or rattles, even when going grouch rough seas. Of course you do need to remember to close or latch all the doors :,)
Capt’n Lynn
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Post by Gio on May 10, 2021 19:51:53 GMT
I have a 895 sport/marlin which I have been using for a year now.
As has been said above, this is a great value for money boat overall, probably the best at the moment in this category. Are there better hulls/ better quality brands? Yes, but paying much more (2x or more in some cases) in my opinion not justifiable for this class of boats.
I have put a decent amount of hours in this boat and the hull is solid, it feels heavy and well built. As I mentioned in other posts, this is not a deep V hull so it has limitations in the way goes in a rough sea, but it can be done with the right driving technique.
So far I have seen few spider cracks developed here and there, nothing structural, it will be fixed under warranty if possible.
The boat has also some flaws in the design of certain parts, I think is because is a mass produced boat were the company need to produce a lot and certain details are not carefully thought. For me that ridiculous door that doesn't allow to fully deploy the bed in the front cabin is just poor. Also none of the doors have a lock system to keep them open and not slam. Air-conditioning ducting is very basic, they should have included valves to direct the flow in one room Vs another.
They have not installed sensors in the water tanks and holding tanks, basically leaving the captain guessing the level of these two important tanks.
But the ugliest part for me was the electric system that handle the batteries, absolutely not acceptable for this class of boat. I had many electric issues with engines and other components because the poor design of it. I reworked the wiring installing proper components and now the system is flawless.
Again Jeanneau probably saves 1000-2000$ on all these small things, but to be honest it has been a big waste of my time to fix them.
If you buy the boat, think that you made a great deal overall and budget some money to upgrade few things not perfect out of factory.
Overall, I am very happy of this choice and I'm sure will be my boat for many years as the versatility of this boat outweighs all the nuisances of the beginning.
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Post by sapient on May 10, 2021 20:48:45 GMT
Very well said. 895 Sport is definitely one of the best values in its class at the moment.
Another reason I picked Jeanneau over Axopar / Nimbus / Sargo is owners forum like this one. Due to the relatively large pool of owners for Jeanneau products around the world and in US, most issues can be asked and a solution / recommendation found within a few days by fellow owners on this forum. Tried that with some of other brands, it is almost impossible. Then you have to dash out time and in many cases $$ to have the boat inspected by professionals.
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Post by 795hopeful on May 10, 2021 21:42:19 GMT
Thank you guys and gals. I will be buying the boat with as little systems installed from factory as possible. Probably just the pump out toilet and holding tank. The rest I will do myself. I have no problem spending hundreds of hours having everything wired perfect and not chasing shotty factory wiring. As long as the boat is sound I am sold. I realize to make this much room
In a 24 foot boat it has to have wide shoulders. It’s going to pound in a head sea if not driven properly.
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Post by Gio on May 11, 2021 16:26:55 GMT
in case you plan to install the A/C, it is better in my opinion to do it from factory.
The installation is complex and better to be done while the boat is in the process to be assembled.
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Post by 795hopeful on May 11, 2021 17:21:21 GMT
I may end up with a 2000 watt inverter generator to run AC on a very small portable ac. I wish a company would make an efficient air mini split in the 1500-3000 btu size that was marine ready. They are so efficient with new tech. Anyone have any idea how many BTUs are needed to keep the pilot house and berth comfy? It’s a pretty small space.
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Post by sapient on May 11, 2021 21:00:29 GMT
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Post by ihsan on May 13, 2021 6:56:29 GMT
I love the boat, the layout, the look, the price. But looking at this forum I am seeing alot of structural issues rearing their ugly heads across the line from sail to power. The dealer I talked to said they are in the process of updating the 795 to the series 2 and there is a nationwide virtual meeting regarding the new model. Has Jeanneau done anything to improve on the structural quality in the brand new boats? I mean one guy put his toe through the floor of his boat? Everyone in my family is super excited about moving to a pilothouse style boat from a center console. Jeanneau seems to be the only company with this style of boat that has entered the US market. The rest here like Parker, Stiegercraft, and Defiance are bare bones and very expensive but they are tanks. Have improvements been made? Thank you! |
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Post by ihsan on May 13, 2021 7:23:20 GMT
I love the boat, the layout, the look, the price. But looking at this forum I am seeing alot of structural issues rearing their ugly heads across the line from sail to power. The dealer I talked to said they are in the process of updating the 795 to the series 2 and there is a nationwide virtual meeting regarding the new model. Has Jeanneau done anything to improve on the structural quality in the brand new boats? I mean one guy put his toe through the floor of his boat? Everyone in my family is super excited about moving to a pilothouse style boat from a center console. Jeanneau seems to be the only company with this style of boat that has entered the US market. The rest here like Parker, Stiegercraft, and Defiance are bare bones and very expensive but they are tanks. Have improvements been made? Thank you! I do support all answers given to your concern. In addition one should take lnto account that 795 is a boat that allows you to withstand up to 2 meters waves, category C. This is also the same in serie 2. Yes there are improvements. However basically they are the same old Classic hull repeated over the years. Some imptovements are wise, and for me some are not. Their marketing strategy is obvious enough. I would expect the same quality in the serie 2, too. I am happy with my 795. I enjoy the boat. but ı try to eliminate the weak points over time. There will be a lot to improve and correct. This forum is our best friend in this aspect. When they ask me from Paris if I am happy with my purchase I tell them to follow the forum. |
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Post by 795hopeful on May 13, 2021 12:33:08 GMT
Thank you for the input everyone. Apparently the 795 Marlin Series 2 is in the works. Likely getting one will be a while off. I am looking into several options for the systems on the boat itself. But it sounds like I have plenty of time for planning.
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Post by badboy on Jul 17, 2021 7:26:00 GMT
I love the boat, the layout, the look, the price. But looking at this forum I am seeing alot of structural issues rearing their ugly heads across the line from sail to power. The dealer I talked to said they are in the process of updating the 795 to the series 2 and there is a nationwide virtual meeting regarding the new model. Has Jeanneau done anything to improve on the structural quality in the brand new boats? I mean one guy put his toe through the floor of his boat? Everyone in my family is super excited about moving to a pilothouse style boat from a center console. Jeanneau seems to be the only company with this style of boat that has entered the US market. The rest here like Parker, Stiegercraft, and Defiance are bare bones and very expensive but they are tanks. Have improvements been made? Thank you! |
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Post by badboy on Jul 17, 2021 7:27:15 GMT
I love the boat, the layout, the look, the price. But looking at this forum I am seeing alot of structural issues rearing their ugly heads across the line from sail to power. The dealer I talked to said they are in the process of updating the 795 to the series 2 and there is a nationwide virtual meeting regarding the new model. Has Jeanneau done anything to improve on the structural quality in the brand new boats? I mean one guy put his toe through the floor of his boat? Everyone in my family is super excited about moving to a pilothouse style boat from a center console. Jeanneau seems to be the only company with this style of boat that has entered the US market. The rest here like Parker, Stiegercraft, and Defiance are bare bones and very expensive but they are tanks. Have improvements been made? Thank you! |
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Post by blacktimes on Sept 15, 2021 15:54:04 GMT
I too find Jeanneau to lag behind. One item of interest I found on my boat is that outboards were NMEA, plotter was NMEA and they didn´t even bother to install the cables and connect them. I can understand trying to be competitive, the cables cost me around 80USD each and installed them myself, an OEM can probably buy them much cheaper, and now I have fantastic engine presentation and indications on the plotter where as before I only had some dials.
I have also experienced spider web cracks on the gelcoat, true I also go through some bad weather (10/12ft waves) quite a few times a year, and the cracks normally appear on corners, more subject to stress.
Water/waste, also no indication...
In bad weather, the microwave oven surronding frame detaches, fridge opens...
I added a wireless remote control for the windlass, did it myself and worked out very cheap and remote control is waterproof. To have to go to the bow and lift the sundeck matts to operate the anchor is ridiculuos, specially in windy conditions with other boats nearby...
Strong chemical smell in the cabin the first few years...
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