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Post by Fabrice-Erta on Aug 13, 2020 17:23:08 GMT
I just wanted to share my impression, feelings on my SO 440 after my first real trip . 18 days in corsica. As some knows I am like a newbee in sailing. My first experiences were on smaller "dériveur" 420/470 almost 45 years ago. 5 years ago we bought a SUN 2500 to re-start sailing. Finally we order a SO 440 delivered in July 2019. Crossing from France too Calvi : 100 miles to go. We did this 15h with only 5h motoring. Wind was very nice 14 to 18 knts close reach. With deep keel, standard geneoa and furling system. We were sailing between 8 to 10 knts with a record of 12.2 :-). This was a great moment !! We were 3 persons on board and we provision for all the trip and there were quite a lot of space to get more. French Rosé, Rhum, ... The standard fridge with the additional "glaciere" was enough to manage all fresh food. We have the factory option of watermarker , it was running while motoring / charging the battery and the capacity remained beetween 70 to 100% with many showers and dish washing . The option of filling directly from the watermarker without going to the tank is much appreciated and allow us to have permanent drinking water. The battery is Pb and even with 4x115Ah. we were frequently around 12 to 12.2v in the morning. Improving with Lithium and Solar panel will be a requirement. The fuel capacity is correct but not excessive. Solar Panel will help to reduce fuel consumption for watermaker and / or fridge ... In the overall, very , very happy with her !!! Few points need to be re study / improved - Furling the main sail over 20knts is not very easy, may be a full batten will be an option. Winds came from 10knts to 27 in few min ..
- Fuel consumption when motoring, it dramatically increase over 2100 rpm with no significant speed gain. I have to check the J-Prop setup
Hope this could help futur SO 440 owners  Fabrice |
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Post by Charlie-Bravo on Aug 15, 2020 8:36:16 GMT
Hello Fabrice
Always interesting to read others experiences , even with no plan to own such a great yacht.
The comment on furling your sail makes me think that a new technique may be needed, although the basic way to reef a furler main is well published and I am sure you are aware of it, each boat I have tried seems to have its own little likes and dislikes , some say boom angle is critical, and perhaps it is , but this I find is more critical on boom furlers not mast furlers. Point of sail to the wind does make things easier or more difficult, some seem ok to furl in lots of directions, some are quite strict and punishing you if you don't do what they like, but the amount of outhaul whilst furling seems to make the most difference to the ones I have tried, some like it quite loose some seem to like a small fight between the furling line and outhaul.
Finding what your sail likes takes a lot of experiments but once found, life will be better, mine punished me and still does if I break her rules ...... ( they are alive you know )
Battons will stop some of the flogging which is never welcome, and gives the opportunity for more sail area, but it does make the rolled sail thicker and any crease will magnify as you roll, and it depends on the size of slot in the mast , and the shape of the mast section as to if this will make furling easier for you.
Worth having a chat with a friendly sailmaker, and perhaps other SO 440 owners will come along with their experiences as well.
12+ knots ! ....... you have purchased a speed boat.
CB
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Post by sunrise4 on Aug 25, 2020 14:01:57 GMT
Fabrice, great to hear about your successful crossing. Impressive performance!
I have a question on your watermaker. I did not know this was a factory option. What brand/model was installed? Also, I did not fully understand 'filling directly from the watermaker without going to the tank' - could you elaborate?
Thanks!
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Post by Fabrice-Erta on Aug 25, 2020 21:09:59 GMT
Fabrice, great to hear about your successful crossing. Impressive performance!
I have a question on your watermaker. I did not know this was a factory option. What brand/model was installed? Also, I did not fully understand 'filling directly from the watermaker without going to the tank' - could you elaborate?
Thanks!
Hi sunrise4, This is a Dessalator brand www.dessalator.frthe model is 60 duo, that means up to 60l/h in 12 or 220v. Usually working around 50l/h . very simple to operate. There is a 3 way valve which drive the water either to the tank or to the sea/water tap in the kitchen. Fabrice |
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Post by alenka on Aug 26, 2020 7:17:40 GMT
Thanks for sharing.
Your comments help make this the 'turn to' source of reliable information for people researching buying options.
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Post by Fabrice-Erta on Aug 26, 2020 17:22:15 GMT
Thanks for sharing. Your comments help make this the 'turn to' source of reliable information for people researching buying options. This was my initial goal Here is a picture of the watermaker factory installed. I added some piece of work to make the workshop more usuable. The 3 way valve is in red   |
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Post by nanshan on Jan 4, 2021 17:57:20 GMT
hi Fabrice
first of all, my congratulation for your boat that is definitely one of the most interesting on the market.
and thanks for your impressionsm it's always interesting hearing from boat owner and not just stiking to the marketing information shared on the web (including official press sea trials...)
as I have described in my presentation post, after a youth experience on a 420 (just like you...) now I am a motor boat cruiser (beneteau Swift Trawler 30, picked up in Port Frejus)... so please understand if my questions could be silly or weird.
we are analyzing in details several sail boats in the 12-13 m and the SO 440 is in the list.
I don't want to bomb you with a lot of questions, also because I have read almost all the post in the forum related to the SO440.
however, I did not find any reference to the performances while motoring (remember... I am still a motor boat cruiser)
you spoke about a very high consumption while motoring over 2100 rpm.
but do you have any indication regarding the average consumption at typical motoring speed (let's say 6,5 - 7 kts)
I ask this specially because 200 l of diesel is not so big reserve... and I would like to understand which could be the reasonable nautic miles range you can cover with just the engine (again... my brain is still with motor boat...)
thanks and again congrats
in Italy, we say "buon vento"
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Post by jy51 on Jan 5, 2021 9:42:24 GMT
I just wanted to share my impression, feelings on my SO 440 after my first real trip . 18 days in corsica. As some knows I am like a newbee in sailing. My first experiences were on smaller "dériveur" 420/470 almost 45 years ago. 5 years ago we bought a SUN 2500 to re-start sailing. Finally we order a SO 440 delivered in July 2019. Crossing from France too Calvi : 100 miles to go. We did this 15h with only 5h motoring. Wind was very nice 14 to 18 knts close reach. With deep keel, standard geneoa and furling system. We were sailing between 8 to 10 knts with a record of 12.2 :-). This was a great moment !! We were 3 persons on board and we provision for all the trip and there were quite a lot of space to get more. French Rosé, Rhum, ... The standard fridge with the additional "glaciere" was enough to manage all fresh food. We have the factory option of watermarker , it was running while motoring / charging the battery and the capacity remained beetween 70 to 100% with many showers and dish washing . The option of filling directly from the watermarker without going to the tank is much appreciated and allow us to have permanent drinking water. The battery is Pb and even with 4x115Ah. we were frequently around 12 to 12.2v in the morning. Improving with Lithium and Solar panel will be a requirement. The fuel capacity is correct but not excessive. Solar Panel will help to reduce fuel consumption for watermaker and / or fridge ... In the overall, very , very happy with her !!! Few points need to be re study / improved - Furling the main sail over 20knts is not very easy, may be a full batten will be an option. Winds came from 10knts to 27 in few min ..
- Fuel consumption when motoring, it dramatically increase over 2100 rpm with no significant speed gain. I have to check the J-Prop setup
Hope this could help futur SO 440 owners Fabrice Fabrice, for a Frenchman you are remarkably humble, newbie, never. Any passage making that is effected by the winds originating from the "Golfe du Lion" is a cruising ground for the experienced yachtsman. Crossing to Calvi, weather conditions can change with little warning from a mill pond to a raging storm within hours. "Plaisanterie" aside, it's good that you have your priorities in order and a reference was made to the provision and storage of French Rosé. It's also, always nice to hear from others Jeanneau owners that are obviously enjoying there ownership and passing down their experiences, thank you. |
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Post by Fabrice-Erta on Jan 5, 2021 12:44:20 GMT
hi Fabrice first of all, my congratulation for your boat that is definitely one of the most interesting on the market. and thanks for your impressionsm it's always interesting hearing from boat owner and not just stiking to the marketing information shared on the web (including official press sea trials...) as I have described in my presentation post, after a youth experience on a 420 (just like you...) now I am a motor boat cruiser (beneteau Swift Trawler 30, picked up in Port Frejus)... so please understand if my questions could be silly or weird. we are analyzing in details several sail boats in the 12-13 m and the SO 440 is in the list. I don't want to bomb you with a lot of questions, also because I have read almost all the post in the forum related to the SO440. however, I did not find any reference to the performances while motoring (remember... I am still a motor boat cruiser) you spoke about a very high consumption while motoring over 2100 rpm. but do you have any indication regarding the average consumption at typical motoring speed (let's say 6,5 - 7 kts) I ask this specially because 200 l of diesel is not so big reserve... and I would like to understand which could be the reasonable nautic miles range you can cover with just the engine (again... my brain is still with motor boat...) thanks and again congrats in Italy, we say "buon vento" Hello Nanshan, Benvenuto :-) Well, to be more precise, we crossed Calvi - Frejus ( 100 miles) within 16-17 hours motoring on the way back Speed was set to 6-7knts depending of the current.I usually stay around 2200 rpm with a check of the real time consumption visible in the Yannmar display. Thus the average speed is around 6knts. We arrive with almost 60% of the fuel jauge. Being conservative, you could have 100miles to go without isssues. But honestly doing 36h of motoring with a sailboat is not my favorite target :-) Going to the engine datasheet here you will see how it increases with the speed. The figures are quit similar to what I have noticed on our boat. BTW the fuel capacity is large enough for 3 weeks with charging/motoring ( as little as possible)/anchoring Hope this helps. available in MP if needed . regards Fabrice |
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Post by Fabrice-Erta on Jan 5, 2021 12:51:49 GMT
I just wanted to share my impression, feelings on my SO 440 after my first real trip . 18 days in corsica. As some knows I am like a newbee in sailing. My first experiences were on smaller "dériveur" 420/470 almost 45 years ago. 5 years ago we bought a SUN 2500 to re-start sailing. Finally we order a SO 440 delivered in July 2019. Crossing from France too Calvi : 100 miles to go. We did this 15h with only 5h motoring. Wind was very nice 14 to 18 knts close reach. With deep keel, standard geneoa and furling system. We were sailing between 8 to 10 knts with a record of 12.2 :-). This was a great moment !! We were 3 persons on board and we provision for all the trip and there were quite a lot of space to get more. French Rosé, Rhum, ... The standard fridge with the additional "glaciere" was enough to manage all fresh food. We have the factory option of watermarker , it was running while motoring / charging the battery and the capacity remained beetween 70 to 100% with many showers and dish washing . The option of filling directly from the watermarker without going to the tank is much appreciated and allow us to have permanent drinking water. The battery is Pb and even with 4x115Ah. we were frequently around 12 to 12.2v in the morning. Improving with Lithium and Solar panel will be a requirement. The fuel capacity is correct but not excessive. Solar Panel will help to reduce fuel consumption for watermaker and / or fridge ... In the overall, very , very happy with her !!! Few points need to be re study / improved - Furling the main sail over 20knts is not very easy, may be a full batten will be an option. Winds came from 10knts to 27 in few min ..
- Fuel consumption when motoring, it dramatically increase over 2100 rpm with no significant speed gain. I have to check the J-Prop setup
Hope this could help futur SO 440 owners Fabrice Fabrice, for a Frenchman you are remarkably humble, newbie, never. Any passage making that is effected by the winds originating from the "Golfe du Lion" is a cruising ground for the experienced yachtsman. Crossing to Calvi, weather conditions can change with little warning from a mill pond to a raging storm within hours. "Plaisanterie" aside, it's good that you have your priorities in order and a reference was made to the provision and storage of French Rosé. It's also, always nice to hear from others Jeanneau owners that are obviously enjoying there ownership and passing down their experiences, thank you. Thanks a lot !! We were lucky with very good condition on that cross. During the way back, no wind , the sea was an absolute mirror!!! Will need to talk about ECI-100 soon ... Fabrice |
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Post by nanshan on Jan 5, 2021 13:49:13 GMT
hi Fabrice but do you have any indication regarding the average consumption at typical motoring speed (let's say 6,5 - 7 kts) I ask this specially because 200 l of diesel is not so big reserve... and I would like to understand which could be the reasonable nautic miles range you can cover with just the engine (again... my brain is still with motor boat...) thanks and again congrats in Italy, we say "buon vento" Hello Nanshan, Benvenuto :-) Well, to be more precise, we crossed Calvi - Frejus ( 100 miles) within 16-17 hours motoring on the way back Speed was set to 6-7knts depending of the current.I usually stay around 2200 rpm with a check of the real time consumption visible in the Yannmar display. Thus the average speed is around 6knts. We arrive with almost 60% of the fuel jauge. Being conservative, you could have 100miles to go without isssues. But honestly doing 36h of motoring with a sailboat is not my favorite target :-) Going to the engine datasheet here you will see how it increases with the speed. The figures are quit similar to what I have noticed on our boat. BTW the fuel capacity is large enough for 3 weeks with charging/motoring ( as little as possible)/anchoring Hope this helps. available in MP if needed . regards Fabrice merci Fabrice pour le retour... well, I understand what you say. I guess nobody is interested in having 36h of non stop motoring on a sail boat! but I was thinking to a different situation such a Biscay Crossing (300Nm or 400 Nm from UK...) or a Baleari-Sardinia crossing (200 Nm)... where you do not want to loose time waiting for the wind and you motor if breeze is too low or absent, mainly to stay in the reliable weather forecast window. so, looking at Yanmar curves I see that consumption at 2.200 rpm is approx 5 l/hr. as per your experience 2.200 rpm leads to an average speed of 6 kts... that's 0,85 l/Nm... very similar to a motor boat at displacement speed. considering the 200 lt tank, I think that to stay serene in the forecast window, for longer passages it make sense to take on board few additional reserve jerry cans... PS: now it's 14 years that I spend my summer vacation (15-20 days) in Corse... maybe we have also crossed our bows  |
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Post by jy51 on Jan 6, 2021 11:03:33 GMT
nanshan,
Interestingly you mentioned consumption and motoring range.
When ordering our Yachts 51, we chose the 110hp shaft drive yanmar, and a 8.5Kw generator, but was disappointed at the size of fuel tank offered as standard, so chose to upgrade the fuel tankage at the cost of a smaller water tank. We now have two fuel tanks each holding 240 litres of diesel. The standard 640 litres of water is now reduced to 400 litres, which is not a deal breaker as we have a water maker the same make and capacity as Fabrice has on his 440.
Although we are more than pleased with our Jeanneau, I do feel that in designing these boats they under estimate the size of tankage required for the passage maker and long term live-abroad owner.
I have yet to calculate my consumption per hour of motoring but our total consumption for a two month cruise in 2020 was approximately 350 litres of diesel which was used for 70 hours of motoring and 53 hours of running the generator.
We do have a 216W solar panel but it is not capable of maintain two fridges and a freezer without the daily need to charge the lithium batteries via the generator or whilst motoring. The dual voltage water-maker was run whilst motoring on 12 volts and at anchor via the generator. Each time the generator was run, we also charged the batteries and heated the water tank for our long daily showers.
On average we consumed about 5.6 litres of fuel per day for passage making, generating electricity and water making.
Sadly, in 2020 the weather and time were against us, and we got to do very little sailing. Our water consumption was about 3000 litres for just two people, we have fresh water flush toilets and take long showers and rinse in fresh water every time we swim.
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Post by nanshan on Jan 11, 2021 9:18:39 GMT
jy51, missed your earlier reply...
thanks for your feedback. you then confirm my idea that jeanneau tankage philosophy is designed not much thinking to liveaboards/passage makers.
if I understood correctly from web information, SO440 has a 330 l water tank, installed below forward cabin bed. the 200 l fuel tank is installed below the aft cabin (right) bed.
it is possible to expand the tankage capacity by adding another 200 l tank below the aft cabin (left) bed and you can decide whether have it filled with diesel or water.
That means, in case you choose this option with diesel, you will have 330 l of water and 400 l of diesel. I believe is good solution for my needs.
BUT...
the option is available ONLY if you opt for the 3 staterooms layout and not with my preferred solution with the aft left cabin dedicated to a storage/workshop area...
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Post by jy51 on Jan 12, 2021 12:42:18 GMT
jy51, missed your earlier reply... thanks for your feedback. you then confirm my idea that jeanneau tankage philosophy is designed not much thinking to liveaboards/passage makers. if I understood correctly from web information, SO440 has a 330 l water tank, installed below forward cabin bed. the 200 l fuel tank is installed below the aft cabin (right) bed. it is possible to expand the tankage capacity by adding another 200 l tank below the aft cabin (left) bed and you can decide whether have it filled with diesel or water. That means, in case you choose this option with diesel, you will have 330 l of water and 400 l of diesel. I believe is good solution for my needs. BUT... the option is available ONLY if you opt for the 3 staterooms layout and not with my preferred solution with the aft left cabin dedicated to a storage/workshop area... I am not familiar with the options offered on the SO440, but remember, if you lose a water tank to diesel, you can always retro fit flexible water tanks in very small spaces, on our 51 we have a lot of empty space in our bilge and could probably fit another 200 litres if required. |
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Post by ceaman on Aug 25, 2021 7:42:14 GMT
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Our new SO 440 is ordered and will be arriving in spring 2022.
There are so much options to choose from and it is not always easy to tick the right boxes:)
Your explanation made it a bit easier.
Thanks
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paulx12
New Member
Posts: 5
Jeanneau Model: SO440
Yacht Name: Sallgood
Home Port: Sydney
Country: Australia
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Post by paulx12 on Oct 15, 2022 0:15:30 GMT
Hello blokes, interesting thread. I purchased my SO440 IN 2018, 2 cabin and 2 head version, standard rig, 54hp engine, NO generator or water maker. Factory refused to install second water tank so I shipped the 200L tank out separately and installed it myself. I also added a 40l freezer and an hydronic diesel water/air heater.Heater is great and allowed me to remove the standard hot water tank and plumbing which gives a heap of extra storage space and means the engine gets to operating temps much quicker.
I mostly cruise for 3 to 30 days but currently 3 months into a 4 month cruise on the Australian East Coast. Because I don’t carry a water maker or generator or engine water heater I have heaps of storage space. Ie we typically carry over 4 dozen bottles of wine in a dedicated “cellar” under the saloon settee!!
I have around 700A of solar connected to 900AH of lithium and to date have never used more than 70% battery capacity (although I do find myself using the engine at least once every 5days or so moving to a new anchorage. I consume around 140 to 185 AH per day (depending on how much I use autopilot/instruments/entertainment etc) and solar provides around 90AH to 110AH on a good day.
I mostly just have 2 people on board, water consumption is 30 to 35L per day plus 2L of drinking water. So 550L general water plus 40L seperate drinking water means I can go around 17 days between refills.
My average fuel consumption over almost 5 years has been around 2.4L per hour. My target cruising speed is 6.5 to 7knts which seems to be a sweet spot for the boat. Worst case offshore this requires 2100 to 2300 rpm and around 4 to 5L per hour, but this is rare. My most recent 1100NM cruise has averaged less than 2.5L per hour at average speed of 6.8knts even though I had the engine running for around 175 hours overall. I find that I can almost always achieve 6.5knts with engine at 1800 to 1900 rpm. Also the boat motor sails very well (I have a slab main with 125% Genoa and a large A0) often achieving 7+knts with 1300rpm using 1L per hour.
Overall I feel there is no better yacht available for a (non ocean crossing) cruising couple.
Paul & Suzanne
SV Sallgood
Sydney Australia
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