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Post by moonshadow on May 5, 2020 13:28:05 GMT
I have to admit that, of course, I am partial to the model I selected. And I seem to see a lot more SO models in the USA and it seems that in many areas there are more DS models. So I am wondering what it is that makes one or the other more attractive to different owners.
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Post by element on May 5, 2020 15:18:51 GMT
You might be a bit biased. I am sure that in absolute numbers the SO is built multiple times more than the DS models. My “gestimate” for Western Europe based yachts at least four to one. And bear in mind that the substantial charter fleet all over the world are mostly SO’s.
However those who stay longer aboard such as blue water sailors and liveaboards will see a higher share of DS owners because they will value the additional space inside with more windows/better view from inside to the outside world.
Will be interesting though to read posts from DS owners why they opted for a DS.
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Post by alenka on May 5, 2020 16:59:26 GMT
At a basic level my understanding with the 43 and 40 range was, that Jeanneau made three models on an identical hull. The DS, apart from the larger salon windows, giving a better look on the outside world, had a different layout and specification for the interior compared to the SO version, but apart from that very little difference; the Sunfast version was the racer version with taller mast and cut down interior to save weight.
One magazine took all three versions of the 40 out for sea trial in a side by side, head to head, review. They actually found that the DS version was slightly faster than the SO version, but nowhere near as quick as the Sunfast. When they conducted the same head to head on the 43 range they came up with the same results, but they were at a loss as to what made the DS quicker than the SO.
To appreciate those windows on the 40/43DS make over the SO you just need to step onboard and experience for yourself the dramatic difference in light levels and view. As 'element' has already pointed out they are preferred by people, like us, that spend months rather than weeks onboard at a time.
We did get comments pointing out how impractical they would be in the Greek sun and heat... In truth they have never been a problem. The curtains get drawn through the day when out sailing and a quick blast of AirCon on an evening keeps the boat comfortable when we tie up and there is no breeze.
I have no idea if the same concept of one hull for both DS and SO models was carried forward to later designs.
There are probably two reasons why the SO outsell the DS. A cheaper price point and looks - Not everyone likes the style of a DS.
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gosportbluemist
Junior Member
Posts: 12
Jeanneau Model: SO42DS
Yacht Name: Blue Mist
Home Port: Portsmouth
Country: UK
Instagram: #sailingbluemist
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Post by gosportbluemist on May 20, 2020 20:12:30 GMT
simple choise for me, as at 6'6 i wanted the extra head room.
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Post by davidso451 on May 21, 2020 1:31:44 GMT
I own and live on a 97 SO 45.1. With my wife and 110 lb pit bull. I live in San Diego very near the boarder of mexico, about 4 miles into the USA. We have a lot of these here, all are SO's. I have never even seen a live DS. I read that the interior is a bit smaller and the outside larger.
I spend about half my time out in the "back yard" and the other half down below. The SO is more than roomy enough for us. The dog takes one side berth and we are staged up front in the captains quarters. I love the storage of this boat. I have a lot of stuff on board, I still work and so does my wife so we need work clothes and room to store them. We need good working showers and heads. If you don't live aboard now, think room....as much as you can stand. Even with this much I still have a storage place and the boat is packed up.
Also I love the access to most systems. The motor is very accessible, pipes, wiring, all in general is easy to access for repairs. I still run the original Johnson water pumps. The only thing I could complain about is the size of the fuel tank (55 gallons)....it will go pretty far and only sips fuel, but it would nice to have 100 gallons of fuel in a tank.
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Post by zaphod on May 21, 2020 2:28:11 GMT
For me it was mostly aesthetics. The 39i is a very sleek looking whereas the big cat eye windows and chunkyness of the DS is a bit ugly to my eye.
And then there is the weight. The DS is over 1000lbs heavier with the same sail plan. The 39 is already a bit under powered without adding all that extra weight. I seriously doubt the 39DS is faster than the 39i. I would expect it to be noticeably slower.
I am only 5'9" tall so we have plenty of headroom. Even my son who is 6'3" has lots of headroom everywhere except the aft cabin.
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Post by Spritz on May 21, 2020 7:42:57 GMT
I have a 42 DS which is not slower than the 42i (a friend of mine has it), I am 1.87 mt tall and DS gives me more light and space. Moreover the AFT single cabin gives me a huge bed very comfortable, for sure more comfortable than the front cabin. i admit that the 42 lines are probably nicer, but...depends till now perfectly satisfied
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Post by MartyB on May 21, 2020 14:06:38 GMT
The Sf version has not been made for 10-15 years of the basic SO model. same hull interior, but taller mast, deeper keel, typically a main sheet in the cockpit vs cabin top mounted. This version went away with the onset of the current SF3200,3600, and 3300. And the i series models, the performance models were similar to the SF. even at that, were somewhat IMHO dumbed down from the SF versions. current P models, all they add is a folding prop, line control genoa carrs, sometimes and extra cabin top winch, or one size larger. Most people should order this to ease sailing issues. A lot easier to adjust a carr from cockpit, than to walk out on the lee side of a boat and pull a pin to move it forward or aft.
Since then, it has been std cabin, or DS cabin. Seems to be a like one or the other, rarely both. I prefer the std cabin myself.
Marty
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Post by zaphod on May 21, 2020 15:43:01 GMT
I have a 42 DS which is not slower than the 42i (a friend of mine has it), I am 1.87 mt tall and DS gives me more light and space. Moreover the AFT single cabin gives me a huge bed very comfortable, for sure more comfortable than the front cabin. i admit that the 42 lines are probably nicer, but...depends till now perfectly satisfied Hard to believe considering the DS is 1100lb heavier. Maybe you are just a better sailor than your friend!😉 I am curious, did the DS only come in the 2 cabin layout with no "garage" on the port side? If so that is another plus for the i models...i love that garage! I don't know what I would do without it!
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Post by Spritz on May 22, 2020 7:31:35 GMT
Zaphod, I am referring to the 42i, not the performance Model. Both our boats are equipped with inmast main and have the same sails, mine is 2011, his is 2010. he is absolutely a better sailor than me... trust me.... but we matched race several times in several different (light=<20knots) situations an he never was able to leave me. The performance is faster, but obviously has no inmast and the size of the main is 1,5 bigger than mine. Sincerely, if wind is below 5 knots my boat is almost not moving in an acceptable way while probably his can, I never tried with so small winds. the lowest we did was 10 knots.
the two cabin has a big Garage at the very back extremity right (under the seat of the left helm, and has two big lockers under the passengers seats. In the last ones I have one by circle, scuba staff, etc
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Post by Maravilla on May 25, 2020 15:10:30 GMT
We got the 44DS due to the large aft cabin and the views. We sailed a sister ship first and found even though it doesn’t look like a fast sailer, she is very efficient. She gets moving with relatively little wind and moves well. We both used to race when much younger and find the DS a good handling boat with excellent live aboard space/light.
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Post by ohana on May 25, 2020 21:00:57 GMT
When I was looking for a new boat, I was changing from a 35' 1980s design, looking for more space but also a protected environment when underway for my wife who had developed an auto-immune disease which affected her circulation, making her far more vulnerable to the cold. We needed a boat which could have somewhere to sit inside when she felt cold, which was not a dark cabin with small high windows which makes her (and me!) feel sick when underway. We needed an inside sitting space with good windows and so visibility.
I was initially looking at deck saloon type yachts but the cabin layout was not ideal for us (with family and friends on board). I actually stumbled across the SO 439 which we now have and was struck how the combination of the larger coachroof windows and particularly the hull windows made a completely different feel to the main cabin and was immediately convinced this was the way forward for us.
We have had the boat for 2 seasons now and found it to be the perfect choice for us. We have the pleasant protected internal cabin space with the cabin layout we need.
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Post by cpetku on May 26, 2020 14:20:26 GMT
For me the choice of a DS over SO was the extra light coming into the cabin making it feem much more open. This really appealed to the Admiral. The designer did a great job hiding the compression post on the forward cabin side of the bulkhead making the dining area more finished. In my case I have the bulkhead mounted wheel which sits comfortably under the spay hood. The only drawback is sometimes you feel like a chauffeur when taking a party out for a cruise...
Since I have a second control head on the auto pilot mounted in the salon, I the windows allow a comfortable view while inside and course corrections can be made while taking my time to get provisions for the crew.
So far the only down side has been:
- The forward cabin bilge was not connected to the main cabin. A small leak developed in a valve (cracked over winter) and the floor started floating in the forward cabin before I realized I had a problem. - In mast furler can be fidgety and jam - Not a lot of room in the walls and cabinets when trying to fix plumbing issues. For some reason the caps keep coming off the hose clamp ends and clog my strainers...
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Post by moonshadow on May 26, 2020 14:54:30 GMT
This has been interesting. And overall, as expected, people like what they selected. Seems like a good reason to have choices! I own a SO model so of course I like that. Definitely seems like plenty of light and I like the flatter smooth appearance. I’ve spent some time on DS models but not enough to get used to the different levels of the sole below. Sorry to see the DS models now discontinued but I guess there are still choices in the new 410, 440,and 490 models.
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Post by zofiasailing on Jun 3, 2020 23:54:02 GMT
We have 2006 SO42DS. Perhaps we have the best of both? Not sure at all what the differences are. We love the light, the space, the big cockpit area. Barely notice the different levels until we need to warn visitors about them. Our boat is a perfect caravan- with-a -keel for 2 live-aboards with very occasional visitors. Cranked her up to 9.4kts (with a tide assist) flying a code zero the other day. Not at all Shabby!
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Post by zaphod on Jun 4, 2020 17:35:27 GMT
Cranked her up to 9.4kts (with a tide assist) flying a code zero the other day. Not at all Shabby! Lol! If you are counting tide assist we have hit 11kts! A Code zero would be nice. Are you using a sprit and furler?
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