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Post by nc on May 3, 2020 23:28:51 GMT
I am looking at NC895Sport, 200hp Yamaha are I4 and 250hp are V6, it is not only 50hp is 2 cylindres. The same if I go with Mercury Verado, V6 200 vs V8 250. I tried the NC895 with twin I4 and it was turning around 4200Rpm to be on step. I saw on the web a 1085 twin 300hp G2 Evinrude. My heart tells me to go with the biggest engine and for V8... For those who owned one or tried NC895 sport, what are your review?
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Post by Capt’n Ron on May 4, 2020 22:43:11 GMT
Hey NC, I’ve not been on an 895 Sport sea trial but I did take a close look at purchasing one earlier this year. My research landed me on the Mercury over the Yamaha for a number of reasons, I just think they currently have a better outboard than Yamaha right now (personal opinion). As to which one depends on your use and primary goal. The 4Stroke is a great engine for weight and fuel efficiency, and I’ve seen a number of people go with the Seapro for offshore. The Verado looks to be a powerhouse but I’m not sure you get much fuel efficiency. Keep in mind the prop plays an important factor in the expected performance.
I’m with you, go with Max HP and you will never wonder if you should have. Again, personal opinion.
Good luck and keep us posted on what you do.
Cheers, Ron
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Post by lynnardm on May 5, 2020 0:59:56 GMT
Weight is an important factor. What’s the weight difference. In my opinion on a regular 895, around 900 Pounds is the max engine weight that should be strapped on. Less Weigh = better handling.
Capt’n Lynn
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Post by westboating on May 6, 2020 4:03:23 GMT
Capt Ron, Capt Lynn, and NC,
Howdy fellas, I love this conversation, although I believe Capt Ron is committing blasphemy... Yamaha FOR EVER... ha ha... I have not been on an 895 sport in the water, but what a great Northwest fishing rig. I suspect she's a bit lighter than the regular 895. We did some weighing and with as much as we could get off of her and she hit the scales around 9800lbs with dry tanks all the way around and just a bit of safety and galley equipment aboard. We've got twin 200s and I concur with the 4200-4300 to get over the bow wave, but I can trim her around a bit and keep her there at 4100-4200.
I know of two other configurations for the 895, Capt Lynn with a single 300, great weight and drag saver. He's got a wealth on info on that, but I don't think the factory is doing those at the moment. I also ran into a great skipper with a beautiful blue hull with twin 150s. His opinion was she was under powered and he struggled to get 1.25 NM/gal (we do around 1.55 to 1.6 consistently). I was aboard and he had her well appointed, but she might have been a bit heavy with all the gear.
Ultimately, I believe your 895 sport will be leaner on the scales, and my first concern would be the weight penalty of the V6s over the I4s. I'm would have guessed the I4s have a better hp/lb, but they don't. It looks like the V6 250hp yields 0.44 HP/lb vs. the I4 200 gets you 0.41. The weight increase according to Yamaha is only about 150 lbs for the two of them. So, as long as she's rated for them and the price step up isn't terrible, the 250s might be a better choice. I'd love to hear how the fuel economy plays out.
Good luck
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Post by nc on May 7, 2020 2:15:23 GMT
As per quote sheet, NC895sport can be rigged for Verado 250. In the past, big block like 8.1L or so was the ultimatum engine, by now, new engine loose weight and displacement, I want input from owner with V6 or V8 outboard, or Verado V8. I saw some NC895 sport owner in this forum, if you have input for your expérience, I will be glad to read it.
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Post by nc on May 7, 2020 4:44:01 GMT
About NC895, is a twin 150hp and a single 300hp and probable twin 200hp all in Yamaha, is there an owner with twin 200hp V6 Merc, it could give informations about the V6 vs I4 vs 2.8L vs 3.4L.
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Post by nc on May 7, 2020 12:38:16 GMT
Some data from Web spécification NC895.offshore_ twin Yamaha I4_200hp, minimum weight = 7724#, offshore carries 200L more fuel with an extra 200# dry weigth NC895_ twin Yamaha I4_150hp:-200# NC895_ Yamaha V6_300hp:-616# NC895.Sport_ twin Yamaha I4_200hp:+529# NC895.Sport_ twin Yamaha V6_250hp:+675# NC895.Sport_ twin Verado_250hp:+751# So it is +/- 1300# between the 300's of Capt Lynn an twin Verado 250
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Post by Capt’n Ron on May 7, 2020 15:54:18 GMT
NC, one thing to consider with the Merc’s. When I was configuring an 895 I was going to purchase rigged with Mercury, although the factory provides the Mercury rigging the dealer was not an authorized Mercury dealer so they were going to sell me the boat without engines and I had an authorized Mercury dealer who was going to install the motors. I actually liked that better given the Mercury dealer was closer to where I live and I would have better support. One other thing, even though the motors and rigging were about the same MSRP, I was being up charged buried in the price for putting Merc’s on instead of Yamaha, so be sure to get detailed itemized pricing from the dealer and see if they are Mercury certified.
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Post by Capt’n Ron on May 7, 2020 15:57:55 GMT
Capt Ron, Capt Lynn, and NC,
Howdy fellas, I love this conversation, although I believe Capt Ron is committing blasphemy... Yamaha FOR EVER... ha ha... I have not been on an 895 sport in the water, but what a great Northwest fishing rig. I suspect she's a bit lighter than the regular 895. We did some weighing and with as much as we could get off of her and she hit the scales around 9800lbs with dry tanks all the way around and just a bit of safety and galley equipment aboard. We've got twin 200s and I concur with the 4200-4300 to get over the bow wave, but I can trim her around a bit and keep her there at 4100-4200.
I know of two other configurations for the 895, Capt Lynn with a single 300, great weight and drag saver. He's got a wealth on info on that, but I don't think the factory is doing those at the moment. I also ran into a great skipper with a beautiful blue hull with twin 150s. His opinion was she was under powered and he struggled to get 1.25 NM/gal (we do around 1.55 to 1.6 consistently). I was aboard and he had her well appointed, but she might have been a bit heavy with all the gear.
Ultimately, I believe your 895 sport will be leaner on the scales, and my first concern would be the weight penalty of the V6s over the I4s. I'm would have guessed the I4s have a better hp/lb, but they don't. It looks like the V6 250hp yields 0.44 HP/lb vs. the I4 200 gets you 0.41. The weight increase according to Yamaha is only about 150 lbs for the two of them. So, as long as she's rated for them and the price step up isn't terrible, the 250s might be a better choice. I'd love to hear how the fuel economy plays out.
Good luck
Westboating, that’s a good one “blasphemy...”. Gave me a good laugh, thanks! I do like my Yamaha,but forever is along time!😂🤣
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Post by nc on May 7, 2020 18:53:13 GMT
Price wise, Merc's or Yammy is almost the same within 5k, with Merc's more electronics and parts available and more dealers!!!! My concern is more about V8 vs V6 and I have to keep in mind for car, japanese V6 equals american V8 but with boats , Verado 250 has AMS, active trim and more amps on the + side.
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Post by Gio on May 10, 2020 19:11:36 GMT
I am looking at NC895Sport, 200hp Yamaha are I4 and 250hp are V6, it is not only 50hp is 2 cylindres. The same if I go with Mercury Verado, V6 200 vs V8 250. I tried the NC895 with twin I4 and it was turning around 4200Rpm to be on step. I saw on the web a 1085 twin 300hp G2 Evinrude. My heart tells me to go with the biggest engine and for V8... For those who owned one or tried NC895 sport, what are your review? Hi NC, I have replied separately in a different thread - I suggest to give a serious look at engines with the highest displacement and power possible for this hull. The boat is relatively heavy and you need torque to get it out of the water and keep it there. As reference point, this is an official test with yamaha 250: yamahaoutboards.com/en-us/home/outboards/350-150-hp/v6-4-2l/f250/pb_jea_nc_895_sport_twin_f250xca_owa_7-13-19
I have Mercs 250 ProXS and altough i have not tested extensively, i have seen already quite different numbers in terms of top speed and cruise cfuel onsumption. We are able to run 19" pitch props in this hull. I will post some numbers soon.
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Post by rainmaker2 on Oct 16, 2020 2:46:19 GMT
Breaking in my 2021 NC 895 sport with twin 200hp Yamaha. Went with a smaller motors economy more important than high speed. Still in breaking period. Ran today on the Chesapeake Nice Cruise at 4000 rpm 27+ mph 4000 rpm 1.4 mpg. Two people nearly full tanks. Great day.
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Post by nc on Oct 17, 2020 12:31:57 GMT
Congratulations, I will receive mine in 2021. How do you feel the run with the boat? Do you have Zipwake?
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Post by Gio on Oct 21, 2020 18:59:58 GMT
Just to provide some datapoints for those in the process to select the engines, I post here some numbers I recorded in some test i did back in May.
They are not scientific at all, just datapoints I recorded, the boat was relatively new so not fine tuned in terms of trim tabs etc. Also was with 3ppl and full tanks 3050 rpm, 22.2 mph, 12 gal/h, 1.85 mpg
3540 rpm, 30.3 mph, 16 gal/h, 1.89 mpg
3620 rpm, 30.3 mph, 17 gal/h, 1.78 mpg
3720 rpm, 33.5 mph, 18 gal/h, 1.86 mpg
4030 rpm, 36.2 mph, 22 gal/h, 1.65 mpg
5760 rpm, 53.3 mph, 45 gal/h, 1.18 mpg
Just for the records, these are numbers on 895 Sport/Marlin, Mercury proxs 2x250, prop enertia eco 19". Cruising is sometimes impressive, i saw often 2.1 / 2.2 MPG at cruising speed medium load.
I need to do another proper testing session with flat sea (never been able to have a very calm day yet) and I want to try also to test a lower pitch prop, because I have the feeling I may be overpropped as i am not able to hit the max rpm of the engines a per specs
I hope it is useful
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Post by rainmaker on Oct 27, 2020 3:32:32 GMT
Have almost 20 hrs on my NC 895 sport with twin 200 hp Yamaha. Very satisfied so far with motors. Cruise at 25- 26 mph 4000 rpm 39 mph @ 5500 rpm full tanks 4 people. Plenty fast No zip wake but what I would recommend is adding the garmen autopilot. Cost me 5600 but for a long straight ride the best feature I added.
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Post by nc on Oct 27, 2020 20:52:38 GMT
Hi,do you have fuel consumption at 4000rpm and 5500rpm? Besides engines, how do you like the boat? Was it perfect at delivery? Where do you navigate?
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Post by rainmaker on Oct 27, 2020 22:59:34 GMT
Fuel consumption 1.4-1.6 mpg at 4000. 5500 do not recall. Ran the boat for 16 hours with a full tank. Took just over 100 gallons to refill. Boat and motors delivered with all working, took a little extra time to install autopilot. Definitely recommend although pricey. Fit and finish of boat and motors nothing to say. Everything works and handles the lower Chesapeake bay very comfortably. Although the two cabins and head are small I am 6 foot 210 Lbs I fit. Kinda camping feel. The benefit is the spacious comfortable seating area in the bow. My wife Loves this area. Watched Dolphins from there while autopilot keeps us cruising straight.
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Post by nc on Oct 28, 2020 13:28:35 GMT
About space if it is compared to 895WE it is a look alike contest except for main cabin head clearance and cockpit microwave and burner location. I choose the 895sport for the bow aera, the opening to main cabin and the possibility of 500hp, it allows me to put small block V8, 2x 4.6liters=9.2liters and 16 cylinders= Lot of torque able to turn big prop at low RPM= fuel efficiency. The V8 run under 3500rpm at 25mph at over 1.8mpg......based on your numbers, it is at least 0.2mpg better or 15% better efficiency.
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Post by nc on Oct 28, 2020 13:32:50 GMT
About autopilot Do you have the installation's detail? ( pump, valves, controls, hoses, locationon the boat...) Are you able to control it from a cellular phone thru an apps?
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Post by rainmaker on Oct 29, 2020 18:46:44 GMT
Time will tell. I expect improved Mpg following break in and optimal trimming. Now in for 20 hr service. Saved quite a few bucks bucks with the 200!s. I have no details on the autopilot installation. Works great already and will be essential for long trips and fishing. Consider it.
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Post by nc on Oct 29, 2020 22:55:29 GMT
It is a matter of choice, Yammy are outstanding engine but for me , Mercury are the most popular by far over Volvo, Yammy, Suzuki and Honda in my place and the V8's sound under"sport exhaust is just gorgeous. About autopilot, I use to travel on StLawrence River between Montréal and Québec, navigation buoys are closed at some places and a lot of commercial and leisure traffic in both sides . So a lot of direction and speed change are required to avoid contact and waves. I saw a possible hand remote for Garmin, is it link to the throttle?
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Post by rainmaker on Oct 29, 2020 23:55:04 GMT
Yes depends on where you are. The Chesapeake is Big. Lots of room to run straight but even still that ability to let go of the helm even for a short time to check on lines etc without need for another. It’s Sweet. in regard to autopilot control on other devices not interested no need as I see.
Regarding fuel consumption Yamaha reports NC 895 with twin 200 hp 4000 rpm 26.8 mph 1.81 mpg wt 8964 NC 895 Sport 3500 rpm 26.4 mph 1.57 mpg wt 9535 My issue is with the weight of the boat. It would appear in Jeanneau Specs that the NC 895 sport is lighter than than the 895by about 500 lbs. The larger 250 s don’t make the difference In God we trust all others must show correct data
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Post by nc on Oct 30, 2020 0:57:16 GMT
Weight is an important factor and it seems that Jeanneau is playing with numbers, the 895sport advertised weight is without options....swimming plateforms ( 895WE is standard) are and option, confort package, etc...so the weight with the normal options is way over, and comparaison between the 2 siblings came harder.
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Post by rainmaker2 on Nov 20, 2020 3:17:11 GMT
New Video by Sundance Yachts on you tube interesting data on performance with twin 250 I have been getting improved mpg 1.6 with my 200
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Post by nc on Nov 20, 2020 14:23:20 GMT
I saw it, nice video. On my trial with 2 250 Yammy_ 1/3 fuel, same WOT, but I got 24mph at 3500rpm for 14.8gph_1.62mpg and they got 28mph at 3700 for 1.4 mpg. I am evaluating the effect of the engine weight on the transom waterline. With 2 Verado 250hp + generator + half fuel , waterline is 1 inch below the bottom of the drain plug (there are 2 drain plugs on the transom) Is your boat still in water? If yes, could take a picture and a measurement to compare?
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