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Post by Tafika II on Mar 6, 2019 22:44:28 GMT
We are starting to get quotes on a new set of cruising sail…yes, it like asking what is the best anchor! Does anyone know what sailcloth weight the original factory Quantum sails were from 2008? I’ve also sent an inquiry to Jeanneau. If anyone has already replaced their sails and want to offer their comments, I’m all ears!
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Post by hoppy on Mar 7, 2019 0:12:31 GMT
I wouldn't worry about the old sailcloth weight.
Go talk to an number of local sail makers and explain how you use your boat, the conditions you sail in and the performance/life you want from the sails and see what they recommend.
I would stay away from the cheapest option, which will be crosscut dacron. They will last a long time but they will not perform for so long. They will stretch the quickest and loose shape, which is an issues even for a cruiser as you will heal over more.
As a minimum I think you should look at a reinforced dacron.
You might even look at getting a smaller headsail, again depending on local conditions etc..
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Post by Tafika II on Mar 7, 2019 2:14:17 GMT
Thanks Hoppy. I'm visiting with sailmakers next week to do precisely what you suggested. I'm not going with cross cut Dacron...that I know already. I am curious why you suggested a small head sail. Factory is a 122% and was was looking at 130%. Our local conditions in the spring summer & fall are fairly light at 10-15knots on average. I'm sure the sailmakers will assist here. BTW...not racing, just cruising.
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Post by MartyB on Mar 7, 2019 2:25:24 GMT
I would skip a Dacron altogether. Get a laminate if you can. ullman used to sell a panel sewn laminate, CAl when I got it, or tri-axis laminate later. About 20% more than a decent Dacron, but speed gain vs a string, ie Fiber-path, 3DL etc, about 50%. IE if you gain a knot from dacron to sting, you would gain half a knot with the CAL/TAL cloth. strings are around double a Dacron in dollars.
I would suggest a pentax cross cut myself. A bit more money, but stretch as Hoppy noted will be less, so more speed, less heeling in a given wind. Usually a bit less overall weight vs Dacron, so better in light winds too.
I would also stay away from the Dacron/mylar blends, like Norths Norlam! It does not last long, gets mildew easy vs other cloth types.
My 02 on subject.
Marty
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Post by johannes on Mar 7, 2019 7:59:11 GMT
Our new sails were delivered last week. The boat is still on land so we have not tested them yet, though. We went for cross-cut cruising laminate, Dimension-Polyant Flex Ultra with spectra reinforcements. The main is 2+2 full batten/partial batten, and the genoa 130%.
There is a case to be made for a smaller headsail, 100-110%. Modern jibs can be had with battens that increase the area in the upper part. The 130% genoa has a fairly narrow wind range before you need to start reefing, and it is too heavy to be a good light-wind sail. If you have the budget, I would consider a 100% jib and a code sail for light winds, on its own furler.
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Post by rene460 on Mar 7, 2019 9:57:39 GMT
Hi Trafika,
I am one who has replaced the original sails, they had stretched so far out of shape that the boat was difficult to control. That is the bit about stretched sails that is often overlooked. It is not just the speed up wind that you lose.
When I had a sailmaker look at the sails, he pointed out some effects on handling that would be caused by that stretched shape, and we were experiencing them all in spades. Disappointing, as they were only about three years old when we made the decision.
I selected triradial cut from the cruising laminate that the sail maker recommended, I am not very sure of the cloth detail. I wanted the cloth to last through the normal cruising roller headsail, and not require too fussy handling. And they were terrific right from the start. I have been advised that other cuts will also perform well, the main thing is the cloth stability.
It is also worth talking to the sailmaker about the difference between a cruising cut and a race cut. As I understand it, the subtle difference in shape means the cruising cut is not quite as fast when perfectly set, but is more tolerant of not quite perfect trim, which probably means most of the time when you are cruising. Oh, and do include a Cunningham eye.
The 30i has a very wide shroudbase near maximum hull width with the upper and lower shrouds both fixed practically on the toerail. This makes it quite difficult to have a big overlapping Genoa for light conditions, and the standard supplied is 110%, limited by those shrouds. I find this is nice at 10 to 15 knots, but we generally sail in lighter, and the small jib is a disadvantage in these lighter conditions. I would like to have a code zero or code one on a bowsprit and furler, but I have not found a satisfactory solution to how to anchor a bob stay or similar to resist the necessary luff tension, and I am balking at the total cost of setting up for it. In an ideal world, I would have a 150% Genoa, as my previous boat for those light conditions rather than bothering with a bowsprit and stay just for simplicity, as we are cruising. While we like speed, we are not trying to win a race by half a boat length. All my experience in light conditions points to the largest Genoa your boat can accomodate for up to around 15 knots, (a bit more for downwind courses) even if it needs a roll around the furler in some conditions, and a smaller jib for when you will be mostly at the higher end of your range, and the ease of handling is worth the effort to change. It is usually better to have a well cut jib than a reefed Genoa if you will need it for long. The boat is just more comfortable with a well cut sail.
Rene460
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Post by John on Mar 7, 2019 22:09:30 GMT
Hi Brent ,
Plenty of sail choice out there , we ordered North Nordic 3di and added a extra full batten with all roller cars no plastic sliders , these sails are very strong and should last many years , I know of a few boats that use them for racing even though they are cruising sails with good results. They have just arrived looking forwards to using them . Good luck with your choice .
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ds42
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Jeanneau Model: 42DS
Yacht Name: Living The Dream
Home Port: Charlotte Harbor, Florida
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Post by ds42 on Mar 10, 2019 0:57:59 GMT
Tafika,
I just replaced all my sails on my 2008 DS 42.
Got quotes from several US based sailmakers as well as from the Jeanneau OEM sailmaker, Technique Voile.
Turns out Technique Voile had the best price on the best material even with shipping from France.
I went with this fabric in a Tri radial dsign, PRESTIGE Upwind Contender Fibercon Pro Hybrid woven Dyneema.
Replaced both the genoa 122% and the furling mainsail. Cost was 6820 euros including shipping. They were fabulous to deal with. Very responsive and gave great guidance. They’ve had all the specs for my hull id in their system already.
Mark
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Post by NZL50505 on Mar 11, 2019 0:59:03 GMT
In NZ and my 42DS has Doyle Stratis cruising laminates which perform well: www.doylesails.com/
Have also used North 3DL cruising laminates: www.northsails.com/
NZ sailors are pretty picky (ask Larry  ) and even the cruisers like a 'sexy' look and decent performance so it might be worth checking out the NZ options although I admit I have no idea about relative costs. I do know that North have factory in Nevada to ensure super-dry conditions but I doubt that would help with costs!
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Post by Tafika II on Mar 11, 2019 1:27:04 GMT
Thanks all for the comments. I meeting with North and UK this week already met with Quantum. Once I figure out which direction I'm going, I'll let you know. Feel free to comment further after my selection...I'm always open to opinions.
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Post by Tafika II on Jun 12, 2019 20:15:01 GMT
We finally ordered new radial cut sails today from Precision Sail Loft in BC Canada using FiberCon® Pro Radial by Contender. We'll keep you posted on the process and upload pictures when they are done.
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Post by rene460 on Jun 13, 2019 8:33:40 GMT
Hi Trafika, an exciting day. I am sure you will not regret the decision. The cost is soon forgotten when they set nicely and perform well.
Looking forward to learning how they go when they arrive.
rene460
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Post by pipemma on Jun 14, 2019 10:03:39 GMT
I too will be interested to hear how you get on. I'm not looking forward to the cost of new sails when they're needed (!) but I am sort of looking forward to the opportunity to get a 3rd reef in the main (no reinforcement available to put into existing main) and to reduce the genoa size. My genoa is 140% (not my choice!) and it's just too big; good motive power but rather unbalanced with the main, which means she heaves to at 90-100° to the wind, and the sail itself is ridiculously heavy - both in terms of the amount of wind needed to fill it at all, and getting it off and on the boat before and after winter storage. The leech also catches on all sorts of things during tacks if not careful.
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Post by rudds67 on Jun 14, 2019 12:53:39 GMT
Holly cow a 140 Genoa .. that’s huge
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Post by zaphod on Jun 14, 2019 19:13:08 GMT
I too will be interested to hear how you get on. I'm not looking forward to the cost of new sails when they're needed (!) but I am sort of looking forward to the opportunity to get a 3rd reef in the main (no reinforcement available to put into existing main) and to reduce the genoa size. My genoa is 140% (not my choice!) and it's just too big; good motive power but rather unbalanced with the main, which means she heaves to at 90-100° to the wind, and the sail itself is ridiculously heavy - both in terms of the amount of wind needed to fill it at all, and getting it off and on the boat before and after winter storage. The leech also catches on all sorts of things during tacks if not careful. It is certainly nice to have a smaller headsail if you have enough power. Until you change the sail plan you can probably correct your balance issues by adjusting your mast rake a bit. |
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Post by zaphod on Jun 14, 2019 19:18:32 GMT
We finally ordered new radial cut sails today from Precision Sail Loft in BC Canada using FiberCon® Pro Radial by Contender. We'll keep you posted on the process and upload pictures when they are done. I will be interested to hear what you think of Precision. They are a pretty small outfit out of Victoria BC. What made you choose them? I am surprised they are competitive with the bigger players. |
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Post by pipemma on Jun 14, 2019 21:14:53 GMT
Holly cow a 140 Genoa .. that’s huge Indeed. It’s a powerful beast |
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Post by MartyB on Jun 15, 2019 1:56:06 GMT
Holly cow a 140 Genoa .. that’s huge Indeed. It’s a powerful beast Depending upon the sail plan, a 140 might be big, then again, my 155 is semi normal on my mid 80s boat. With today's fractional rigs, the BIG sail is the main, small one the jib. My main is 195sq ft, 155 is 345! If you were to assume a code0, is an equal to my 155, then a 140, is probably like my 140, which is what I use to cruise, deliver to boat races if sailing etc. I have a just under 25-1 SA/Disp with the 155, about 18-1 with the 220# 110. Marty |
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Post by NZL50505 on Jun 19, 2019 6:55:36 GMT
Indeed. It’s a powerful beast Depending upon the sail plan, a 140 might be big, then again, my 155 is semi normal on my mid 80s boat. With today's fractional rigs, the BIG sail is the main, small one the jib. My main is 195sq ft, 155 is 345! If you were to assume a code0, is an equal to my 155, then a 140, is probably like my 140, which is what I use to cruise, deliver to boat races if sailing etc. I have a just under 25-1 SA/Disp with the 155, about 18-1 with the 220# 110. Marty And translated into plain English? |
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Jeanneau Model: 42 DS
Yacht Name: Decibelle
Home Port: Sant Carles de la rapita
Country: Spain
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Post by plas50 on Jun 19, 2019 13:05:49 GMT
Just replaced my sails using Far East Sails. You have a choice of different quality sail cloth and designs You have to do the leg work, in providing all the dimensions, they make it easy for you with diagrams on measuring requirements The genoa was replace late last year and the in mast furling was replaced early this year. Very pleased with the quality and price. A small customs fee will have to be paid on delivery All went very smoothly, check their website www.fareastsails.com |
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Post by rene460 on Jun 20, 2019 11:00:04 GMT
Hi Plas50, It’s great to see you come out of the dark with your first post. I hope you have been enjoying following the forum since you joined, even if only occasionally.
Good to hear that you have had a good experience with buying new sails. We all like to hear about how they perform.
How about post a little introduction to yourself and tell us about where you sail. I am sure that you have plenty of experiences to share.
Rene460
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Post by Tafika II on Aug 18, 2020 22:23:04 GMT
We went with Precision sails in Canada. Excellent experience. The genoa is a Precision Tri-Radial Dacron Series 8 and the furling main is a Precision Tri-Radial Dacron Series 9. The total cost was US$6765. We talked with Doyle & Hyde (no bids), H2O, Quantum, North, Technique Voile, and UK. All were higher cost than Precision. We looked at composite materials, including North’s 3Di , but in the end, I wanted sails that I could repair and would last 10-15 years. We also added a new Forespar whisker pole this month.  |
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) and even the cruisers like a 'sexy' look and decent performance so it might be worth checking out the NZ options although I admit I have no idea about relative costs. I do know that North have factory in Nevada to ensure super-dry conditions but I doubt that would help with costs!
