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Post by nebrian on Jan 16, 2018 23:38:09 GMT
Hello Jeanneauians! As a potential Jeanneau owner I would like to ask what model Jeanneau is the most Deep or Blue Water Sailboat capable. I know that length has a say, but what model to start with? Please include any models that have been discontinued in the last 20 years. Thanks in advance.
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Post by MalcolmP on Jan 17, 2018 8:59:49 GMT
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Post by MalcolmP on Jan 17, 2018 9:04:49 GMT
Should have read his recent posts, before posting, apparently he started 1st January , but had major problems in strong winds and has just arrived back in France - he is very determined so guess will set off again as soon as he has things sorted.
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Post by alenka on Jan 18, 2018 9:51:38 GMT
Yep. Big, big question.
If you take a look at the boats in the ARC line up you will probably see quite a few Jeanneaus. I have not checked this years entry but I have come across boats (SO 42DS) that have done the circuit not once but twice and look no worse for the experience.
Purists will shout they are two light and the keel is all wrong for a comfortable passage in oceans swells.
If you take a look at the YouTube channel 'Sailing La Vagabond' they will take you with them on their round the world (nearly) trip in a Benny Oceanis 43. I think you will find the Jeanneau SO 43, 42 45 are pretty similar in design concept. Checking out their ocean passage videos will give you a good insight into how it performed and what to expect ride wise.
Personally I would be happy taking our 43DS on extended open water runs with a couple of small mods... Mainly lee cloths in the aft cabin to hold you in place in roly poly seas. And maybe an extra fuel tank. There's room under the floor for another 200lts.
If I was buying a 43DS with this purpose in mind I would go for the 3 cabin model with the extra bunk cabin up forward. It makes a great storage area for all those extras you need on a long passage.
Boat design is always a compromise. You only have to watch some of those long keel boats trying to manoeuvre in port to appreciate that they might be great for open water but short hops around caribbean islands once you get there can be hard work.
Good luck
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Post by alenka on Jan 18, 2018 9:57:54 GMT
PS. this is how our 43DS faired on a 2,500nm run from Brighton UK to Greece.
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peterpelo
New Member
Sailing In Greece, Now wintering at Crete
Posts: 8
Jeanneau Model: SO 45.2
Yacht Name: FUNNY GIRL
Home Port: Harlingen
Country: The Netherlands
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Post by peterpelo on Jan 22, 2018 7:58:38 GMT
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Post by vasko on Jan 22, 2018 21:40:07 GMT
Hello Jeanneauians! As a potential Jeanneau owner I would like to ask what model Jeanneau is the most Deep or Blue Water Sailboat capable. I know that length has a say, but what model to start with? Please include any models that have been discontinued in the last 20 years. Thanks in advance. I love my model and had been used for ocean crossings - old Category 1 by design ( e.g. around the world) but not big 34ft - Sun Liberty 34 - can be found on a extremely competitive price www.jeanneau-owners.com/Models/SunLiberty.html
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Post by ianpowolny on Feb 1, 2018 14:28:52 GMT
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Post by chuckr on Mar 29, 2018 10:51:26 GMT
We sail a Jeanneau DS40 built 2001 launched 2003 - we have sailed all the east coast of the usa 2 1/2 times, Miami to Mexico and down to Colombia across the Caribbean to Jamaica and then down to Trinidad followed by a sail up to Antigua and then across the Atlantic to Azores and on to Portugal - we have been in the Med since and in 2016 we sail all the way around the Black Sea - She is a great boat and we got a lot more miles to go in her.
We think the DS40 is the best boat Jeanneau ever built but that is just our opinion
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Post by NZL50505 on Apr 13, 2018 9:47:07 GMT
Probably a lonely voice here but I wouldn’t buy a modern Jeanneau if I was seriously thinking of offshore cruising because they are simply not purpose designed for it.
Yes of course lots have done it fine but just because they’ve done it doesn’t mean they really should be doing it.
If you happen to see a 45-50ft Jeanneau alongside a proper blue water cruiser of a similar size you’ll see countless differences (rigging, deck layout, cockpit, size & sturdiness of fittings, tank capacities etc etc etc) that all add up to a stronger and safer offshore experience.
Of course many of these offshore features work against you if you’re interested in weekend and coastal cruising in fair weather - in which case ‘flow’ and easy marina & Med-style living are more important. And that’s what most Jeanneaus are designed for ie mild to moderate conditions and short trips.
I’ve got a 42DS and having owned it and studied it for a few months I love it for coastal cruising but wouldn’t dream of taking my family offshore in it. It might be ok but it might well not. The #1 issue is the lightweight and poorly supported standard rig that desperately needs an inner forestay to reduce pumping in even a moderate seaway.
But I’d buy an older Amel instead.
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Post by mikebnz on Apr 13, 2018 10:46:57 GMT
I’ve got a 2005 DS43 that sailed from the Med to New Zealand. I didn’t sail her, I bought her here but here’s a link to the blog of the guys that did. Sounds like the DS43 did just fine. sy-ichiban.ch/
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Post by chuckr on Apr 13, 2018 11:49:56 GMT
If you happen to see a 45-50ft Jeanneau alongside a proper blue water cruiser of a similar size you’ll see countless differences (rigging, deck layout, cockpit, size & sturdiness of fittings, tank capacities etc etc etc) that all add up to a stronger and safer offshore experience. But I’d buy an older Amel instead. So only an Amel is a "proper" offshore boat? Anything else? And what of the hundreds if not thousands of Jeanneau boats that are constantly sailing Blue Water and long distance crusing/sailing?
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Post by NZL50505 on Apr 13, 2018 21:42:31 GMT
Amel was just an example of a French boat designed for blue-water cruising vs Jeanneau as a French boat designed for Med-style cruising. Of course there are lots of others.
Yes lots of lighter cruising boats have sailed RTW and arrived ok including older Jeanneaus. But it’s no secret that many of the older 80s/90s versions were built more simply and more solidly. Which is why they are still going strong.
Recently I was in the market for a boat and looked at countless options including many boats that had sailed to NZ on their own bottoms - including lighter production boats. But it was easy to see the difference. After a few years of offshore cruising the lighter boats were showing the signs. But the purpose built machines still looked closer to new and less fatigued.
I love my Jeanneau 42DS for coastal cruising and it might cross the South Pacific fine. But if I ran into a nasty weather system I’d rather take a hiding in something like an Amel which would handle the loads and fatigue better.
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Post by mikebnz on Apr 14, 2018 0:19:27 GMT
Amel was just an example of a French boat designed for blue-water cruising vs Jeanneau as a French boat designed for Med-style cruising. Of course there are lots of others. Yes lots of lighter cruising boats have sailed RTW and arrived ok including older Jeanneaus. But it’s no secret that many of the older 80s/90s versions were built more simply and more solidly. Which is why they are still going strong. Recently I was in the market for a boat and looked at countless options including many boats that had sailed to NZ on their own bottoms - including lighter production boats. But it was easy to see the difference. After a few years of offshore cruising the lighter boats were showing the signs. But the purpose built machines still looked closer to new and less fatigued. I love my Jeanneau 42DS for coastal cruising and it might cross the South Pacific fine. But if I ran into a nasty weather system I’d rather take a hiding in something like an Amel which would handle the loads and fatigue better. I’d have to agree. I sailed a friends Ganley Pacemaker from NZ to Tonga. Steel hull, skeg rudder, sharp bottom (vs flat). It was a battleship, so when we hit some very nasty weather it just carried on like nothing was happening. It was a pig to handle in a marina and not a great short handed weekend cruiser but a great offshore boat. So it’s a matter of compromise, the right mix between offshore capable but useful for everyday sailing when you are at home.
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Post by NZL50505 on Apr 14, 2018 2:07:41 GMT
Amel was just an example of a French boat designed for blue-water cruising vs Jeanneau as a French boat designed for Med-style cruising. Of course there are lots of others. Yes lots of lighter cruising boats have sailed RTW and arrived ok including older Jeanneaus. But it’s no secret that many of the older 80s/90s versions were built more simply and more solidly. Which is why they are still going strong. Recently I was in the market for a boat and looked at countless options including many boats that had sailed to NZ on their own bottoms - including lighter production boats. But it was easy to see the difference. After a few years of offshore cruising the lighter boats were showing the signs. But the purpose built machines still looked closer to new and less fatigued. I love my Jeanneau 42DS for coastal cruising and it might cross the South Pacific fine. But if I ran into a nasty weather system I’d rather take a hiding in something like an Amel which would handle the loads and fatigue better. I’d have to agree. I sailed a friends Ganley Pacemaker from NZ to Tonga. Steel hull, skeg rudder, sharp bottom (vs flat). It was a battleship, so when we hit some very nasty weather it just carried on like nothing was happening. It was a pig to handle in a marina and not a great short handed weekend cruiser but a great offshore boat. So it’s a matter of compromise, the right mix between offshore capable but useful for everyday sailing when you are at home.
Exactly right Mike. I'd prefer to sail to Tonga in a steel Ganley as well but would hate to live with it for weekend gulf cruising and marina berthing.
Personally I don't feel defensive about this. My 42DS is a superb coastal cruiser but I'm the first to admit that you are pushing the boat outside it's comfort zone and original design purpose by heading offshore for extended periods. And I reckon Jeanneau would probably agree (although maybe more quietly)!
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Post by markevans on Apr 24, 2018 18:12:22 GMT
During our search for a 40DS or 43DS we met a lovely couple in Holland that happily circumnavigated. You can see more of their exploits and details of how they kitted her out here Happy Bird JSO 40DSI have also come across several 43DS that have voyaged extensively. But don't forget how many have circumnavigated in much smaller and supposedly less robust craft. And let's face it, 'true' bluewater boats as defined by Beth et al, are out of most people's reach unless they are up for a long refit.
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