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Post by goody on Jun 11, 2018 8:21:16 GMT
Good to hear and welcome to the "51" club. Great boats but there are a few little things to watch for, all contained in the threads of this group.
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Post by ania on Jun 15, 2018 3:08:10 GMT
Finally Code Zero
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Post by goody on Jun 15, 2018 9:06:21 GMT
Me too, had a test sail and heading off for a weekend trip of 60 miles to trial the zero on a longer trip. We are looking at winds of 10 - 15 knots so just about perfect. At 115sqm it really makes a difference and we were at 6.0 knots speed in 7 knots true.
Really looking forward to a good sail.
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Post by markclement on Jun 15, 2018 10:44:28 GMT
Great Video Ania, It looks really nice I notice that you were sailing I think around 80 deg to apparent going really well - have you tried it at around 140 to 150 Deg Apparent ? Even with the halyard cracked a little ?? I had been looking at your and Goody's Code 0 stats with interest: - The Jeanneau Spec for Code O ex factory 100M2 = 1076 SQ FT - I notice Ania you said yours was 1136 sq ft (or 105M2) and it a good match of sheeting angles. - I was going to ask Goody about his 166M2 Code O he referred to a couple of months back as I wondered how that would fit ... but Goody I note now you are saying yours is 115M2 ?? Our current plan is to get a Code D - a full as you can get and still bottom up furl with the aim of carrying especially in the 130deg to 150deg Apparent as with the 63M2 classic Main and 110% Genoa we are not missing power in 50deg to 100deg Apparent range. Thanks for the very informative video. We have a month to go before we head up the NSW and Qld coast to the Great Barrier Reef as far as Magnetic Island for three months = a 3,200 klm return trip. I have just fitted a boom brake for the cruising mode. Cheers Mark & Carolanne
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Post by ania on Jun 15, 2018 12:37:32 GMT
Here's our Code Zero info.
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Gilson
New Member
Posts: 2
Jeanneau Model: Jeanneau Yatch 51
Yacht Name: Kaze
Home Port: Paraty
Country: Brazil
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Post by Gilson on Jun 17, 2018 23:05:34 GMT
The longest distance on our bluetooth link is about the top of the companionway, anything farther than that results in annoying interruptions. Almost makes sense to have dedicated MP3 player next to the Fusion. Hi ! I noticed that the bluetooth link to Fusion receiver is eventually interrupted if the volume of the zones exceed the maximum volume allowed. Try to lower the volume. Regards, Gilson.
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Post by goody on Jun 18, 2018 6:36:24 GMT
Hi all, my Code 0 is 115M2 and we used it in the weekend however the halyard is too small and kept slipping so they are changing it this week. We did get some good sailing in under 10 knots hitting 8 knots at maximum but didn't get to see what it is really capable off because couldn't get the tension we needed.
We did have another issue though, we have had the water in fuel alarm go off and the first time we had the motor serviced and they changed the filter however it has gone off again only two weeks later. We bled the pre filter and removed more water but we don't know how this is happening. The fuel dock we use hasn't had any issues and we cannot see how it could happen, has anyone else had any issues?
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Post by markclement on Jun 18, 2018 8:19:32 GMT
Hi all, my Code 0 is 115M2 and we used it in the weekend however the halyard is too small and kept slipping so they are changing it this week. We did get some good sailing in under 10 knots hitting 8 knots at maximum but didn't get to see what it is really capable off because couldn't get the tension we needed. We did have another issue though, we have had the water in fuel alarm go off and the first time we had the motor serviced and they changed the filter however it has gone off again only two weeks later. We bled the pre filter and removed more water but we don't know how this is happening. The fuel dock we use hasn't had any issues and we cannot see how it could happen, has anyone else had any issues? Hi Michael, 1) The 115M2 sounds like a good size matched for the J51 (The factory Code 0 being 100m2) - l am not surprised about the halyard slipping as those Spinlock XTS clutches are marginal for halyards on a yacht this size/ tensions. I think the J51 has the XTS's with the 8mm to 14mm cams not the 6mm to 10mm cams .. so you do need probably the 14mm dia low stretch rope for the XTS to hold. Also you probably know that all new ropes have a waxy product in them (needed for manufacture) that makes them slippery. I washed the 2M or so of the clutch contact area in hot water and detergent scrubbing the rope with a hard bristle and fine wet and dry to remove the wax and rough up the surface. Since doing that the main halyard and outhaul are much better. I thought the Genoa halyard jammer - Spinlock ZR1014 - that came with the boat was a flimsy unit that never held my 110% under higher loads. So I have changed it out for a XXA0812 clutch at about double the holding power and have not had any issues now. The added benefit is that the ZR1014 and the XXA0812 both have the same bolt pattern and bolt size !! Easy upgrade. 2) On the water in the fuel issue I am not much use I am afraid - we have had no issues at all but have only 200 hrs up on the motor with six fills since new. I would think the only way you can get water in the fuel is: a) water already in the diesel when you bought it. b) filler cap not watertight - something like the O ring damaged or not seated correctly. c) condensation forming in the fuel tank. I know they say keep the tank nearly always full to minimise the risk of condensation but we have had long periods of quarter to half full and there has been no sign of water. e) The water was in the tank/ tanks when the boat arrived from France and not checked at commissioning prior to the first fill. Hope you get to the bottom of that. Cheers from the other side of the ditch. Mark
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Post by goody on Jun 27, 2018 3:06:58 GMT
Hi Guys, we have had the fuel cleaned and the hoses/tank cleaned as well. We are getting the filler cap checked as it appears that this is where it has started from but thats not been proven either way. Most other options have been eliminated. We are testing by disconnecting the filler hose at the tank, placing a bucket under it and playing water over the deck where the filler is. In the meantime I would suggest that you do a quick check of your prefilter which will trap water as this was our first indicator. If nothing there then you should have no issues but it is easy to check so worth doing just to be sure. Remembering that my boat is now nearly 12 months old so whatever the cause it has taken a while to surface.
They extracted about 400ml from my tank after we had already removed some from the filter twice.
Michael.
La bonne maison.
UPDATE the checks have been done on my filler cap and it appears that this is in fact the issue. The hose was taken off at the tank and a bucket was placed at the bottom of the hose. Over two days 15 ml was found in the bucket and the only place it could come from is the filler hose. We are running another check next week and then will talk to Jeanneau about a warranty claim if it appears to be the same. This has taken 11 months to surface so small amounts regularly until it became too much for the filters and started alarming. If you haven't already I would suggest that you change the pre filters.
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Post by ania on Jun 29, 2018 11:28:34 GMT
Thanks for the update. If you could, keep us posted on how Jeanneau fixed the issue.
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Post by markclement on Jun 29, 2018 13:05:29 GMT
Hi, Beyond Cool had its 2nd service at 180hrs/ 11 months today and that included changing out the pre-filter and it was good to find no trace of water despite us having a month of heavy rain. Of course no guarantee that your problem won't raise its head later. What Jeanneau should do is not just fix it but make the root cause clear - O Ring defect / deck underside cap seal or whatever it is.
PS: As we are heading to the Grear Barrier Reef for 3 months with lots of ocean passages including overnight sailing in a few weeks we have installed a Huttons boom brake so will be interesting how it performs especially as our Z Spar Canoe/ Park Avenue boom that is 60% heavier than a standard boom.
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Post by goody on Jun 29, 2018 22:19:58 GMT
Enjoy your trip. I am envious as we wont get a long one until probably mid next year. We will follow you with interest and especially how she handles any rough conditions that you may encounter on the way.
Be safe and enjoy your trip.
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Post by ania on Jul 11, 2018 19:40:36 GMT
So, we just finished our Hampton Bermuda crossing, had to use engine a lot and we also had "water in fuel" alarm. We have option with two tanks, and no issue whatsoever with starboard tank. Port tank gave us all the problems. had to drain water from the filter 6 times or so. We were fuel critical because of the head winds all the way crossing over to Bermuda and it was nerve wrecking sort of.
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Post by goody on Jul 12, 2018 7:32:37 GMT
Hi Anita, we have just finished testing today and confirmed that the cause was the cap (Second test) its small amounts but will happen eventually so we are completing a claim at the moment. I think the whole fitting needs to be changed to the metal ones with screw ons but that will be up to Jeanneau. Mark you should conduct some tests before you go on your trip, it is very slow so may take while to show through.
We took the fuel hose off at the tank and put a bucket under the hose, leaving it for a few days to check and see if any water came down the hose from the rain and/or washing the boat. Both times we got around 50ml over three days, again this is slow but eventually it builds up to a level that will cause issues. You don't want this on a long trip.
Anita, other than this how was your trip?
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Post by ania on Jul 12, 2018 16:03:05 GMT
This is the letter to the broker we are putting together.
I will list issues in two parts based on importance the way we see it.
Part 1.
1. We believe port side fuel cap developed leak. During the trip after running starboard tank and switching to port tank “Water in Fuel” light came on after about two hrs of operation, we drained few ounces of water from the filter, it happened about 5 times and each time we had to stop engine and drain water. Both tanks were filled at the same time from the same source. There is another J51 owner on the Jeanneau ProBoard that has same issue. 2. Port Side forward winch #1 fast speed button is almost impossible to press hard enough for winch to work; 3. Starboard side Raymarine chartplotter “Home” button isn’t operational, unit has erroneous indications and screen moves by itself usually to the left when zoomed in or out. Sometime it brings dialogue box by itself. I include video of some erroneous indications in the email; 4. Swim platform pivoting bolt came loose on the starboard side. We caught bolt just about time it was falling out and reinstalled the bolt but spacer is missing. Swim platform misaligned moved to port side disallowing storage hatch to open freely. 5. MaxProp shaft continuously spinning while under sail. We used diving equipment to check feathering function for obstruction and there is none. 6. Spinlock clutch holding Jib halyard isn’t strong enough to keep proper tension of the jib . Creases are formed at the bottom of the sail as a result.
Part 2.
1. LPG compartment cover locking pin came undone. We recovered the pin, weren't able to reinstall. 2. Ceiling panel in Main Salon came loose and dropped to the floor. 3. Both mast inner shrouds rusted, out ones are fine. Also some folding padeyes developed rust. I am including picture. 4. Master suite door doesn’t lock, looks like its misaligned, also it would not close on port tacks. 5. Edges of Jib and Main sails are luffing badly on close hauled 30-35 degrees AWA and 20knots AWS, it would not go away on any possible trim scenarios; 6. Dinghy motor mounting bracket is loose 7. Mainsail outhaul takes sail out not quite far enough for close hauled angles. We had to furl in main just a tad to make keep sail flat enough for close haul; 8. Boom Vang pivoting bolt came loose, we recovered and reinstalled the nut. Needs to be checked for proper installation. 9. Jabsko macerators started making high pitch noise. Port side macerator developed vibration; 10. Gas stove knob keeps on falling, it's kept off the stove now; 11. Velcros on main saloon divan back panel are misaligned precluding panel to be attached to the back board.
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Post by goody on Jul 13, 2018 21:07:25 GMT
Hi Anita, We have some of those in common as discussed but I will copy and paste below where the issues are "common" 1. We believe port side fuel cap developed leak. During the trip after running starboard tank and switching to port tank “Water in Fuel” light came on after about two hrs of operation, we drained few ounces of water from the filter, it happened about 5 times and each time we had to stop engine and drain water. Both tanks were filled at the same time from the same source. There is another J51 owner on the Jeanneau ProBoard that has same issue. 2. Port Side forward winch #1 fast speed button is almost impossible to press hard enough for winch to work; 3. Starboard side Raymarine chartplotter “Home” button isn’t operational, unit has erroneous indications and screen moves by itself usually to the left when zoomed in or out. Sometime it brings dialogue box by itself. I include video of some erroneous indications in the email; 4. Swim platform pivoting bolt came loose on the starboard side. We caught bolt just about time it was falling out and reinstalled the bolt but spacer is missing. 3. Both mast inner shrouds rusted, out ones are fine. Also some folding padeyes developed rust. I am including picture. I am sure your guys will look after these things, I trust Jeanneau to put things right as they have always been fair to us. Read more: jeanneau.proboards.com/post/new/5989#ixzz5LAf69eWL
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Post by ania on Jul 18, 2018 4:03:12 GMT
Guys, any idea where I could get a hold of maintenance manual for Jeanneau 51?
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Post by goody on Jul 18, 2018 7:50:41 GMT
Yes, I have one but its a folder that I keep on the boat. Its a lot of pages so is there a particular area you want?
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Post by markclement on Jul 18, 2018 10:07:03 GMT
Guys, any idea where I could get a hold of maintenance manual for Jeanneau 51? Hi Ania, I am not sure if you mean "Maintenance Manual" or "Owners Manual". Goody may also mean Owners Manual - starts with specs, stability etc then goes on to explain where everything is on the boat finishing with lifting instructions. Our agent gave us a hard copy on handover but I also have an electronic version I can email to you if this is what you mean. It however has little on maintenance as it is really an Operations Manual. For maintenance you really need to refer to the individual manuals and online resources- but our Agent did also provide their own booklet covering basic maintenance issues and what should be checked for the 12 month inspection which we just completed.
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Post by ania on Jul 18, 2018 13:35:19 GMT
Ideally I would like to have maintenance manual, with parts specs. Say you need to order a replacement valve and you need to know which, mx manual would reflect that. But Mark if you could email me your electronic versions of what you have I’d be much obliged. I will send you my email check you personal messages. Thank you again. PS. May be goody would like to have it too.
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Post by goody on Jul 24, 2018 18:39:08 GMT
Good morning, i normally go through my dealer for any specific parts that I want to get extra. They have a closed website that I sit and go through with them and it is quite extensive.
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Gilson
New Member
Posts: 2
Jeanneau Model: Jeanneau Yatch 51
Yacht Name: Kaze
Home Port: Paraty
Country: Brazil
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Post by Gilson on Jul 27, 2018 2:18:25 GMT
Can somebody help me on installing EC100 interface for Yanmar engine to Raymarine display ? What parts should I buy Installation procedure and pictures
Tks
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Post by ania on Jul 27, 2018 22:34:33 GMT
We were looking into doing it ourselves, ended up paying our dealer I believe around 500 bucks us, well worth it to do it professionally.
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Post by markclement on Jul 28, 2018 5:53:07 GMT
Enjoy your trip. I am envious as we wont get a long one until probably mid next year. We will follow you with interest and especially how she handles any rough conditions that you may encounter on the way. Be safe and enjoy your trip. Hi Well we got some rough conditions on our first section of our trip north !!! A 350 NM involving two overnights and took 2 days 7 hrs averaging 6.4 kts First day out of Newcastle with sunrise was forecast 25kt Westerlys/ 2M swell but six hrs later they changed to strong wind warning after we had passed Pt Stephens. By 3pm furled heady and 2 reefs in main as we had 30 to 35kt By 5pm near gale with gusts to 48kts and 3.5M short seas - we were in the process of getting some lee under Seal Rocks to pull the main down and run north in the SW swell as it was almost total white out that lasted 3 hrs. She handled the conditions well but a wet ride under the 2 reefs and top speed of 12.8kts at 140deg true 😳
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Post by goody on Jul 28, 2018 8:33:45 GMT
Hi Mark, despite the conditions I can still see the smile on your face from here. Adventures are better when there is some adversity.
Enjoy the rest of the trip.
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