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Post by sitara on Apr 8, 2018 21:45:59 GMT
Ania, On my boat the bilge pump is wired only to the switchboard. If the batteries are disconnected, that is, main battery switches in the off position, then the bilge pump will not function. It is a good idea to test your bilge pump function by tipping some water into the bilge sump and find out what actually happens. The pump ran for me but did not suck as where was some damage to the pump valves.
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Post by ania on Apr 9, 2018 15:00:48 GMT
Thanks, I think that’s how our boat is rigged. House bank needs to be on the line for bilge pump to work. One issue with that, looks like whenever house bank is on, ice making machine turns on automatically and we couldn’t find the way to turn it off.
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Post by goody on Apr 13, 2018 8:00:23 GMT
Hi, I would suggest that the bilge pumps wont work without battery connection, they are not mains powered.
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Post by goody on Apr 13, 2018 8:02:33 GMT
Also I thought the ice maker was only mains power? There is a little black switch on the ice maker which you can use to turn off.
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Post by goody on Apr 13, 2018 8:03:56 GMT
We are having huge problems with the transom, where the ladder drops the transom has cracked and it looks like the transomm is developing a bow - not strong enough and we hardly use it.
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Post by ania on Apr 15, 2018 15:35:12 GMT
I tried that black switch, it doesn't seem to turn it off, light stays on. The other way I found is to switch AC breaker off on the breaker panel behind electric control panel. Transom is a big deal, ours didn't crack but the whole assembly feels very flimsy. Try to call Jeanneau directly, they have to stand behind their product.
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Post by ania on Apr 19, 2018 15:15:01 GMT
I just realized, that transom panel is just decorative cover, you can see it from the image.
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Post by NZL50505 on Apr 20, 2018 4:48:09 GMT
What year are these boats that you guys are reporting so many quality issues?
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Post by ania on Apr 20, 2018 23:19:03 GMT
Brand new 2018
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Post by NZL50505 on Apr 21, 2018 2:13:37 GMT
Wow. I understood that Jeanneau has been especially good at listening their customers in recent years which is why their designs seem to resonate so well with their target market right now. But let’s hope they listen to these build quality issues really fast because these are the kind of stories that would put me off buying a brand new Jeanneau.
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Post by goody on Apr 29, 2018 6:41:09 GMT
Hi, I think Jeanneau has accepted our Transom as a warranty issue so they will deal with it. I don't want to give the wrong impression, we love our boat and the issues except the transom are fairly minor. One thing to watch for though is the small sail area if you go for the self tacker and standard in mast furling main, its a very small area and would need to code 0 which we have now ordered.
Somehow we managed to turn the ice maker off because it has stopped working and the black switch seems to be the answer for us. We leave our batteries on 100% of the time so that our fridge and bilge pump are always operational. now looking at solar panels.
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Post by ania on Apr 29, 2018 17:03:38 GMT
Good ! I will keep close watch on that transom, looks like a small cover panel for swim platform. Right now, FlexOFold prop came back from the dealer, we tested it, still vibration between 1900 and 2400 rpm. Don’t want to deal with it anymore and switching to Max Prop. Much more money, but hopefully better. Another thing, check your rope compartments, they ended up not being sealed on both sides. During regular wash we saw water getting into the port bedroom, and after investigation we found half of that compartment seam wasn’t caulked. Dealer took care of it. Code Zero will make your boat fly for sure, we just tested ours. I will post pictures of some cosmetic issues we had on the future.
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Post by markclement on May 1, 2018 22:29:18 GMT
Hi all from downunder, My wife and I have a J51 "Beyond Cool" based at Lake Macquarie two hours north of Sydney. It is hull #11 and was the first in Australia when she arrived by auto liner mid June 2017 - handover was in late July and she was then displayed at the Sydney International Boat Show in early August. We had a few issues (mostly teething problems with a new boat design/ manufacture being an early build) and we have made some mods ourselves and just about got her sorted to our needs - we both love her ... our retirement boat. Beyond Cool was the subject of a review in December Cruising Helmsman Australia repeated by mysailing.com.au - all the photos are of our boat. www.mysailing.com.au/boats/bigger-on-the-inside-the-jeanneau-51I have also posted some photos in the Jeanneau 51 photo page. Cheers Mark & Carolanne Clement Newcastle, Australia www.facebook.com/performanceboatingsales/photos/a.570438452972029.147429.306308116051732/1953501411332386/?type=3
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Post by ania on May 2, 2018 19:20:45 GMT
Awesome guys, congratulations! It’s an incredible boat. We love it unconditionally :-) however just ended up replacing flexofold for max prop with 3k price difference. Vibration was more than we liked, and dealer testing it today. Will post an update.
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Post by goody on May 10, 2018 0:31:46 GMT
Congratulations on the boat, it looks awesome and I agree with Ania the boats are brilliant. Which motor did you get?
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Post by ania on May 10, 2018 2:24:18 GMT
Check out video of our MaxProp test:
Looks like the sweetest spot is around 2k rpm.
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Post by markclement on May 10, 2018 23:06:25 GMT
Hi Goody and Ania, Do you guys have AIS ? We use the "Marine Traffic" App to track friends and see their progress . If so what are your boat names if that isn't too much of an intrusion ? We also have the shaft drive 110HP Yanmar Common Rail. (they have turbocharger and intercooler) and also had the EC100 harness installed with the engine data on the ES chartplotter. It came with the factory supplied folding prop so I assume it is a FlexOFold: - we have no problems with this prop -- yes it has a bit of prop walk in reverse until the flow establishes over the rudder. - at 2000 rpm we are doing 8.0 kts at 7.5 Litres per hr - at 2200 rpm (turbo kicks in just under 2200) we are doing 8.3kts at 10.0 litres per hr. Ania one thing you might want to check your end is what revs to sit on for long distance running. I had a number of discussions with our local Yanmar mechanics here as well as the Yanmar expert in Sydney and friends who have similar diesels on plant equipment (graders etc) = all had the exact same advice .... # Work the engine hard ... if you use it under light load thinking you "are looking after it". .. you will kill it. The service guy told me the story of someone traveling form Gold Coast to Sydney (say 350NM) at 1800 rpm and by the time he arrived the turbo was wrecked ... it comes in only over 2100rpm on my boat. # The manual tells you after running in that if running long periods to be at 60 to 70% load ... for my 110HP / factory folding prop 60% load is around 2300/ 2400 rpm - certainly above the Fuel economy "sweet spot" but fuel is secondary to engine longevity as we plan on keeping this yacht for 15 yrs. # I mention this Ania because on your video it looks like the top left dial is showing the turbo pressure -- and at your 2000 rpm it is zero. This makes sense as you can hear on our boat the "growl" of the turbo start to kick in around 2200 rpm. But please check what your mechanics etc advise. # At first I didn't know what load I was at .. but found in the Yanmar manual that the little screen under the standard RPM dial under the wheel can be configured in setup to show additional data to hrs/ temp/ oil pressure/ amps .. to also show Load %. .. along with other measures if you want. So I added Load % to that screen. The way I use my motor therefore for long trips .. say 1 hr or more ... is to always be over 2000rpm ... usually 2200rpm / 2250rpm (giving me load in low 50% but at least the Turbo has kicked in) and then every half hour give it 10 min at 2500 rpm (getting me into the 50 to 60% load range) which works the turbo / intercooler harder thereby ensuring they get lubrication. I am def not an expert on diesels .. this is just what I learnt from research here confirmed by Yanmar. Cheers Mark
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Post by ania on May 11, 2018 16:31:41 GMT
Thanks a million Mark, we will look into it. AIS is something that boat came with, took a while to get numbers to set it up, but it all works now. We are Latitude 25.
Here's little 2 min clip of few days ago.
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Post by goody on May 14, 2018 7:44:25 GMT
Awesome videos both of you. We have the standard flexi fold and have found the same as you Mark, use about the same revs and standard for me is 2250 revs when not in a hurry. I get about 7.5-8.0 knots at that rev range depending on sea state. I have recently noted some white smoke at the higher revs so I am getting it checked out, I also have a persistent oil leak.
Still waiting for my code 0 but it wont be far away as everything is ordered, fittings are what we are waiting on now. We are getting a glass panel put between the bench top and the back of the seat squabs so that we don't ruin them, we had this on our 409.
Boat name la bonne maison and yes we have AIS we are in Auckland NZ.
Thanks, I will work out how to download photos and send some.
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Post by MalcolmP on May 14, 2018 7:55:01 GMT
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Post by ania on May 14, 2018 13:22:40 GMT
Got white smoke as well on pretty much all range of revs. Here’s video of it.
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Post by markclement on May 14, 2018 13:27:53 GMT
Awesome videos both of you. We have the standard flexi fold and have found the same as you Mark, use about the same revs and standard for me is 2250 revs when not in a hurry. I get about 7.5-8.0 knots at that rev range depending on sea state. I have recently noted some white smoke at the higher revs so I am getting it checked out, I also have a persistent oil leak. Still waiting for my code 0 but it wont be far away as everything is ordered, fittings are what we are waiting on now. We are getting a glass panel put between the bench top and the back of the seat squabs so that we don't ruin them, we had this on our 409. Boat name la bonne maison and yes we have AIS we are in Auckland NZ. Thanks, I will work out how to download photos and send some. Hi, I didn't realise you were on the other side of the ditch !! I believe there are two ways to add photos: 1) Post general pics of your boat in the Jeanneau Owners "Photo Gallery" - this is where I have posted photos of Beyond Cool. You go to the Jeanneau Owners Home page (not the forum page) and go down to "Photo Gallery" then to the "Jeanneau 51" album Malcolm has created. Once in the J51 section you can see the pics already there and if you go to the top right the first icon is "Add to the Album" so just click and select the pics to add from your computer/ iPad/ phone. 2) The other way is to add pics to your thread as Ania has done --- and Malcolm has provided the instruction link above to do that. ------- We also decided to put in a glass panel after the boat was delivered so I put one in August last year. It seems Jeanneau only put those glass dividers in if the sinks face the couches but we were concerned that food prep could splash onto the seat backs even if the sink water couldn't. We didn't like the green tint glass or the large brackets Jeanneau have used on other models. If it helps this is what we did: 1) GLASS: - 1500mm x 150mm x 10mm toughened glass in "Ultra Clear" low iron glass so almost clear. - Two top edges 12mm radius - Two bottom edges just rounded (approx 2mm radius) - Edges flat aris polished edges 2) 3 X BRACKETS - SB10 to suit 10mm glass in polished chrome (see pics) 3) FITTING - See pics - the 1500mm meant ends lined up with backrest on outboard end and sink edge at inboard end - Bracket position - I had each end brackets with the bracket centre 150mm from the glass edge and the third centred in the middle of the glass. - The bracket edge on the table side is 8mm from the Corian edge - to try and miss the timber join underneath the Corian top and provide max bench space while person sitting still doesn't come in contact with the glass - I used s/s countersunk timber screws approx 40mm - I was told that after fitting the glass into the brackets and tightening the grub screws - to work silicon into the bracket / glass gap to further support the glass. ----------- Cheers Mark www.23hq.com/MarkClement/photo/43140954/originalwww.23hq.com/MarkClement/photo/43140741/originalwww.23hq.com/MarkClement/photo/43140719/original
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Post by markclement on May 14, 2018 13:45:33 GMT
Got white smoke as well on pretty much all range of revs. Here’s video of it. Hi Ania, I have not seen that on our boat - the only time we see any smoke is say at over 2800rpm to 3200 rpm which the mechanic said was unburnt fuel. I cannot see how much water is coming out of the exhaust - it should be spitting out a very audible gush every 3 seconds - lets say a large mug full. After running up to engine operating temp you should see 70 deg C to 80 deg C (158 to 176 deg F) as the water cooling temp ..... is that what you see ? Cheers Mark
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Post by sitara on May 14, 2018 22:35:50 GMT
I have seen white smoke on my boat (actually steam) when the engine was working hard in cool conditions. It could mean that there is insufficient water flow and/or the heat exchanger on the engine needs cleaning. Make sure you have adequate water flow as markclement says.
Black smoke means overloaded engine (bad) and is unburnt/partly burnt fuel. Blue smoke means burning lubricating oil and worn components in the engine. Rob
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Post by goody on May 15, 2018 1:56:43 GMT
Awesome, thanks for the video with the exhaust smoke and the photos of the glass. I have put a couple of quick photos up on in the J51 folder but will sort through some more. If you guys ever come to paradise be sure that you let us know, I would love to get you out for a sail and compare notes.
I am thinking that the engine needs checking, they shouldn't blow smoke regardless and should handle 3000 plus revs, they rev to 4,000 plus. i think they should get to hull speed and then start to struggle and thats 9 knots. I can get that at 2,800 revs.
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