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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 13, 2017 12:16:00 GMT
Looks like the Autumn/Fall boats are going to be busy - hard on the heels of the SO440 and SO490 comes the announcement of a Sun Odyssey 319 - a size that many owners and dealers have been asking for since the cessation of the 30i and 33i    Preliminary Specifications for Sun Odyssey 319 LWL 9,09 m Beam 3,46 m Standard draft 1,85 m Swing keel option draft 0,75–1,70 m Displacement 5,1 t Sail area 47,6 sq m Engine Yanmar 15 kW / 21 PS Diesel capacity 100 l Water capacity 150 l CE-Design Category A More info (in German) on German "Yacht" magazine website www.yacht.de/yachten_jollen/neue_boote/jeanneau-setzt-wieder-auf-das-kleine-boot/a113267.html |
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Post by vsergio on Jul 13, 2017 20:45:47 GMT
Nice!!!!
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Post by MartyB on Jul 13, 2017 21:33:42 GMT
Hope there is a performance version. Same sail area as my boat, but I'm 2 tons lighter! This has a longer waterline.....still, with no horsepower for light wind days, it will be slower than one wants, unless you put up a zero!
Marty
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 13, 2017 21:48:39 GMT
Hope there is a performance version. Same sail area as my boat, but I'm 2 tons lighter! This has a longer waterline.....still, with no horsepower for light wind days, it will be slower than one wants, unless you put up a zero! Marty Marty There is a performance version of the 440 that has 10% extras sail area and dyneema rigging, so hopefully there will be something similar for the 319. The German report say's that it will have twin rudders and single wheel, but no tiller option as standard, which I imagine may not be liked by guys like you? The sketch also shows a more classic rig than the 349 with backstays, so no fathead I guess? also does not look like a downsized 349, no reverse sheer. The boat is still in development, so hopefully Jeanneau will still be considering final options. Great to see this response though for the demand for a smaller boat again for both entry to the brand and for possible downsizing. Malcolm |
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Post by rene460 on Jul 14, 2017 4:53:09 GMT
That 319 certainly gets my vote for a great upgrade from my SO30i. Especially the main sheet anchor on the cabin roof to keep the cockpit clear, cabin top winches both sides of the companionway and full size hatch for the front cabin.
The space provided by the extra length appears to have been used well, though it's hard to be sure of dimensions from the layout. In comparison with the SO30i, it looks like they have squeezed the head a little, which there is room to do, and extended front and aft cabins, which will go down well with owners over about 170 cm heigh. It looks like they are making provision for a bowsprit, so a code zero can be added for light winds, as without it, the specs look a bit heavy for its length, and the sail area light on. Of course once the wind gets over about 12 knots, that will be a very nice rig just as it is. Also looks like a bigger storage locker, they are never too big. A holding tank, some long ropes and a few fenders take a lot of room and you still need tools, spares, and room for a spinnaker plus code one when they are not in use and that's before you start on the optional stuff.
One comment, I hope they are fitting the right Genoa track to allow easy upgrade to real towable Genoa cars, adjusted from the cockpit, if they are not putting them on as standard.
Full marks.
rene460
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Post by MartyB on Jul 14, 2017 5:10:20 GMT
The more I look at the side view. I'm sure it is not, but looks like a 31' deck salon style boat. WOnder if the styling is trying to go for the fact, it seems like 50+% of boats are DS models?!?!?! at least locally that seems to be the trend. Will not get me into something of that nature......
Hoping that SA amount is a furling main, or equal. as 500 sq ft in a 5+ ton empty boat is not a lot. I can do 540 in a 6200 lbs empty boat. Needs 700-750 IMHO, not using a code zero!
marty
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Post by itsthedude on Jul 17, 2017 17:16:40 GMT
Hi, new user here, my small contribution
Future lineup has been hinted in an advertising
319-349-389-419-440-479-490-519
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 19, 2017 16:34:13 GMT
Polar/VPP The specs don't state the weight, so maybe lighter than 5.1 tonne hopefully   |
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Post by jp on Jul 19, 2017 21:24:03 GMT
Hi, Seems strange... Have a look at Polish Delphia Yachts boats! SO 319 is Delphia 31. Jeanneau have not even bothered to change the interior image... The images are on Delphia's home page. A new strategy to widen the range by letting others produce and then change the name tags? Not very convincing. |
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Post by jp on Jul 19, 2017 21:28:07 GMT
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Post by hoppy on Jul 20, 2017 0:51:28 GMT
I don't see the exterior "copy" but the interior layout posted by yacht.de is the Delphi. I think its the German sites ooops or sleight of hand rather than a Jeanneau shortcut  |
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Post by hoppy on Jul 20, 2017 0:55:15 GMT
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Post by MartyB on Jul 20, 2017 4:33:57 GMT
Based on this quote on the Jeanneau site.........
SUN ODYSSEY 319: THE PERFECT FAMILY CRUISER
Well-equipped, this compact and comfortable sailboat ensures easy cruising, a hallmark of the Sun Odyssey range.
A secure cockpit and standard wheel steering make her the perfect family cruiser.
Down below, two enclosed cabins, a well-appointed galley, and a head compartment with shower complete the cruising experience.
The liveability of this entry-level sailboat is enhanced by long coachroof windows and hull ports, as well as by the standing headroom.
The Sun Odyssey 319 is constructed in partnership with the Delphia shipyard, a long-standing partner of the Vendéen shipyard, featuring colours and lines (light woods...) in the Jeanneau style and tradition.
This sailboat will be available in fixed and swing keel versions.
I would say, no wonder the drawings etc look the same! I did not see any specs on the Delphia site. But 9 knots water speed in 20 knots of wind is no slouch! JJ Yacht design has some fast boats. Not as well known as some designers.....
Marty
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Post by MartyB on Jul 20, 2017 4:35:33 GMT
Polar/VPP The specs don't state the weight, so maybe lighter than 5.1 tonne hopefully Only for the 2018 model year. Do not be surprised if some of the others are dropped for a different look in 19, 20 model years. then stay the same for about 4-5 maybe 6 years. Marty |
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Post by jp on Jul 20, 2017 6:33:51 GMT
Good that they mention Delphia, though. There are lots of pictures and material on the Internet on D31 as it was the Boat of the Year 2012.
en.delphiayachts.eu/yacht/delphia-31
www.pbo.co.uk/video/video-delphia-31-on-test-3981 (Practical Boat Owner test)
www.yacht.de/yachten_jollen/testberichte/solide.../3158839.html (Yacht magazine test)
Or just google "Delphia 31".
The pictures are the same, really. The hull forms have been changed and now it has chines. Everything else looks the same. Not bad in itself as it looks nice and has lots of storage space and a feel of quality. More of a touring boat than SO349 that lacked cupboards in the saloon altogether. The designer is Andrej Skrzat who has designed all Delphia-built boats with the exception of Maxi 1350 by Pelle Pettersson. But: I would have expected something "own" designed by e.g. Marc Lombard and more sail area. This boat has 5.1 t vs 47,6 m2.
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 20, 2017 7:42:52 GMT
Very interesting, Jeanneau now own the Polish Ostrea plant where a lot of the smaller power boats are made and previously some of the smaller Sun Fasts and Sun Odyssey's, some of which were designed by Skrzat. (Edit - oops should have said Jacek Centowski)
The 319 has twin rudders and different coach roof windows, guess it is a cost effective way of broadening the range by development of something existing. Delphia have produced some very good yachts indeed. There seems to be demand for a smaller Jeanneau, so this makes a lot of sense.
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Post by iancymru on Jul 20, 2017 9:22:53 GMT
The delphia31 lifting keel version 2 has twin rudders, perhaps Jeanneau using this hull type for their new 31. My previous boat was a Delphia29 and to be honest it was very well constructed and thought out. In the same factory they made motorboats for other companies such as Quicksilver and Arvor so you never know they could be building them for Jeanneau. In the pictures even the keel shape is as per the Delphia.
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Post by mikebz on Jul 20, 2017 9:51:57 GMT
The polars appear to claim it can do 10 knots (or mph?). Does it plane? Hull speed for 9.09m waterline is 7.3 knots.
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Post by hoppy on Jul 20, 2017 13:57:04 GMT
The polars appear to claim it can do 10 knots (or mph?). Does it plane? Hull speed for 9.09m waterline is 7.3 knots. The hull speed for my SO40 is 7.7knots which I regularly exceed. from wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_speed |
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Post by mikebz on Jul 20, 2017 15:44:42 GMT
You have considerably more waterline length. Exceeding the rule-of-thumb hull speed by 10-20% is one thing but by nearly 40% (excluding spikes in speed due to wave assistance)? I wonder how many non-planing hulls which are not biased towards price, comfort & interior volume can achieve that. If the polars are correct then it outperforms some significantly longer boats in their range (according to their published polars) for which you would expect something radical in the design. Apologies for my scepticism...
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Post by J349er on Jul 20, 2017 18:45:29 GMT
The polars appear to claim it can do 10 knots (or mph?). Does it plane? Hull speed for 9.09m waterline is 7.3 knots. I am surprised too. My 349 in great conditions and the pedal to the metal barely hits 9kts. |
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Post by MalcolmP on Jan 5, 2018 11:43:15 GMT
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Post by MartyB on Jul 16, 2018 1:01:23 GMT
Interesting announcement on the Delphia site. No listing of the D31 as an option from Delphia.....
Marty
Dear All; dear Friends and Owners of Delphia yachts,
On this the 12th July 2018, a preliminary agreement has been signed on the establishment of a joint venture between our Company and Ostróda Yacht of the Beneteau Group. This marks the opening of a new chapter in the almost three-decade history of Delphia.
The key aim for the establishment of a capital relationship between the companies is to ensure a further dynamic growth in accordance with the strategic plans of both Beneteau Group and Dephia Yachts Kot sp.j.
As future co-owners of a newly established company we look to our joint future with happiness and optimism.
We trust it will ensure a continued stable growth of both the Delphia Yachts boatyard and its sales partners, increasing further the stability of employment and allowing even greater opportunities for development to its current and future employees. At the same time, Yachtsmen from all over the world will continue to receive fabulous new vessels bearing the Delphia brand.
Sincerely,
Wojciech, Piotr and Maciej Kot
Owners of Delphia Yachts Kot sp.j
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 16, 2018 6:35:51 GMT
Interesting announcement on the Delphia site. No listing of the D31 as an option from Delphia..... Marty I can see the logic, the Ostróda division produce a vast number of the Beneteau / Jeanneau power boats, Delphia may well produce more of the smaller sailboat designs for the group, hopefully meaning more choice in the future, but good to see that the Delphia brand will remain too. |
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