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Post by heatherina on Jun 18, 2017 21:56:42 GMT
Hello guys, Has anyone with a 41 DS fitted Weaver Snap Davits? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Ian
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Post by heatherina on Jul 5, 2017 5:10:49 GMT
Change of question.
How do you carry your tender on a DS41?
Thanks Ian
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Post by Spritz on Jul 5, 2017 13:04:25 GMT
Dear Heatherina, I have a 42 DS and I carry the tender upside down on the bow just in front of the mast. probably not the best solution but I would say is the most comfortable!
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Post by chinagirl on Jul 5, 2017 15:49:34 GMT
Hi Ian. We bought a DS41 in February this year and have been wrestling with exactly this question. We have been considering snap davits but we prefer to reverse in to our marina berth and step off at the stern rather than climb down from the side, which we could not do with the dinghy on snap davits. We have considered full davits, the advantage being there would be no need to remove the outboard every time, but the same access problem is created. Storage on the foredeck means removing the outboard and hauling it on board, poor access to the anchor locker, a dark forecabin as the hatch is covered and the the jib sheets catching on the dinghy during tacks. Towing it works in fine weather but not in any serious wind or waves. So, we cannot decide. One possibility is foredeck storage when in marinas but snap davits while moving, at anchor on on a buoy. We definitely intend to get a natty little stainless steel 'crane' for lifting and lowering the outboard between the pushpit and the dinghy transom. Also, any solution involving inflation/deflation will be underpinned by an electric dinghy pump. Hope that helps. Steve.
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 5, 2017 16:03:14 GMT
I fitted snap davits on our previous 34.2. Getting the exactly correct location is pretty hard - once you have the brackets glued to the dinghy, you then need to find the best place to bolt the brackets - which are sharp, look horrid and are unforgiving on toes not a good mix for the bathing platform - I ended up fitting the removal shoe type: which add to the cost. The next big drawback on a sailboat is that the dinghy side has to be pretty high above the waterline or it will drag when heeled over, I achieved this on teh 34.2 as it has quite a high stern platform, but then you have to physically lift the whole dinghy up to secure into the catches - not easy in a swell. On the 39i I simply use ropes to haul the dingy up sideways to store vertically and quite high off the waterline - with a short light dinghy this is easy to do and I am glad I have not gone back to snap davit type
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Post by Spritz on Jul 5, 2017 16:23:08 GMT
Dear Malcom could you please upload a picture? could you also please send teh link to the particular type of hook you showed? thank you
Antonio
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Post by MalcolmP on Jul 5, 2017 16:30:05 GMT
Dear Malcom could you please upload a picture? could you also please send teh link to the particular type of hook you showed? thank you Antonio Hi Antonio Sorry I sold the 34.2 many years ago and don't have photos of that installation. The Weaver system details are here: www.snapdavit.co.uk/accessories/cheers Malcolm
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Post by heatherina on Jul 5, 2017 21:35:33 GMT
Hello guys,
Thanks for the advice. We have Weaver snap davits on our 33i. I fitted them with the removable shoes, I think its a great system for the tender.
We will PX our lovely 33i for a 41DS in August, too good a deal to turn down. I don't know that the swim platform set up will work on the 41DS, it may have to be the transom mounts. There is a company in the UK selling both Weaver and a similar brand, they look identical and are compatible (way cheaper).
Anyone looking for a high spec, well looked after 33i, Trafford Yachts in Plymouth will have ours for sale soon.
Thanks Ian
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Post by Syrah on Jul 15, 2017 23:04:46 GMT
We have Weaver Snap Davits fitted on our 42DS. They are paired with the Snap Up Hooks. They work fine for any relatively protected water sailing. (We folded the dinghy and brought it on board for our recent Sydney to Melbourne sail)
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Post by iancymru on Jul 16, 2017 9:42:06 GMT
Hello guys,
Thanks for the advice. We have Weaver snap davits on our 33i. I fitted them with the removable shoes, I think its a great system for the tender.
We will PX our lovely 33i for a 41DS in August, too good a deal to turn down. I don't know that the swim platform set up will work on the 41DS, it may have to be the transom mounts. There is a company in the UK selling both Weaver and a similar brand, they look identical and are compatible (way cheaper).
Anyone looking for a high spec, well looked after 33i, Trafford Yachts in Plymouth will have ours for sale soon.
Thanks Ian
Congratulations on the 41DS a lovely boat. On my 33i I looked at the Weaver Snap davits but just added a pair of folding pad eyes to the transom of the boat in line with a pair of wide stainless D shackles, shackled through the pads on the dinghy where the bracketed lifelines pass through. I have a pair of 8mm lines secured to each pad eye through a snap shackle and the line secured to the rail on deck. The snap shackles clip on to the D Shackles on the dinghy and the lines adjusted so dinghy secured at correct freeboard alongside the boats transom. On the other side of the dingy I have the same shackle arrangement i.e. a pair of wide stainless D shackles, shackled through the pads on the dinghy where the bracketed lifelines pass through. A long line from these back up to the boats cockpit allows the dinghy to be hinged up and lashed to the rails through the shackles. Its very secure and if you have the pad eyes set higher you can lift the dinghy higher on the transom and adjust to get right height of dingy for boarding or more importantly loose enough to connect on return and tension from the boat before hinging up. Also as you have the D shackles on both sides of the dinghy you can stow it either way around which I found useful as needed to change after initial set up to clear the heater exhaust (something to bare in mind).
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Post by 3buoysailing on Jul 17, 2017 17:18:26 GMT
Does anyone know if the Weaver Snap Davies would work on a SO 43DS.
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Post by Syrah on Jul 17, 2017 20:08:51 GMT
Looking at the transom of both the 41DS (of the OP) and the 43DS, they both look similar to my 42DS. I can't see why the system I have wouldn't work. The YouTube link is not of my boat, but it does show the same system that I have in action. The locator plates on the transom, fitted with removable snap up hooks, which allow you to lift the bottom edge of the dinghy up to gain water clearance. Link to snap up davits: www.weaverindustries.com/index.cfm/product/83_6/snap-ups-davits.htmYou need to remove the outboard and find a suitable place to store it. In my case, the long term storage is in the port lazarette, which is really not convenient for short hops. So, I am planning to reinforce the pushpit to allow it to be stored there. Hope this helps. Wayne
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Post by heatherina on Apr 12, 2018 5:42:10 GMT
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Post by pipemma on Jun 29, 2018 9:05:27 GMT
Having the same dilemma as one of the posters above, as our tender is a 3.4m 85kg RIB, so I'm thinking the snap davit system is going to be the only viable solution (the steel guy reckons the GRP on our transom isn't thick or strong enough to support ordinary davits with that weight). We also moor almost exclusively stern to, but we're used to moving the dinghy from towing to a forward cleat and suspect dropping it off snap davits won't be too much extra effort - unless we make sure to moor min 2m off, then drop the 2.5m passarelle over the top of the dinghy
Questions: I'm assuming on a SO 44i the 12" adjustable version is the only real option? Do you find the right level to clip the dinghy in then leave it there? Is it viable to lift them higher with the dinghy on?
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Post by moonshadow on Jun 29, 2018 11:49:10 GMT
I’m not sure if the boat is similar enough to help, but I have Kato marine Davits on my SO469 with a 10 ft (3.5 m?) AB inflatable. The Davis are tall enough to let me moor stern to a dock and lower the transom. Just a little duck under the dinghy to exit. So far I have left my outboard on the dinghy but probably will move it for a long trip.
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Post by Syrah on Jun 29, 2018 22:49:16 GMT
Questions: I'm assuming on a SO 44i the 12" adjustable version is the only real option? Do you find the right level to clip the dinghy in then leave it there? Is it viable to lift them higher with the dinghy on?
There are are only two positions that our snap-up davits clip into. The lower one doesn’t really get used. It is slightly below the level when the dinghy is sitting flat on the water. The procedure I use is: lower the snap davits, maneuver the dinghy (using a boat hook), snap the davits on, lift the davits to the highest position (until it clicks in place), pivot the dinghy to lift it off the water and into the vertical position, attach the retaining rods.
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Post by Mistroma on Jul 3, 2018 6:06:50 GMT
I considered snap-davits but decided they were expensive and also didn't like the idea of a fixed link to a bucking stern.
Luckily our 2.2m Lodestar fits across the stern easily. I fitted a folding padeye port side on flat sugar scoop and that works exceptionally well. Lifting is via soft-webbing on side of dinghy. In calm conditions we tie up with bow through swim ladder grab rail and stern through the padeye with both tied on pushpit. Very stable for loading stores. Both lines come from centre of the dinghy (painter at front and eye in centre of transom) so some up/down movement is possible.
Lifting is quick. Unthread painter from grab handle on stern and transfer direct to pushpit Grab webbing from dinghy and bring end to cockpit Slack off stern line, flip it under the rear sponson and lift rear of dinghy slightly clear of water. Pull on webbing and dinghy rolls up out of water (stern rolls up towards padeye) Flip webbing loop inside pushpit, back through around rear sponson then to dinghy bow fitting and back to starboard pushpit. Then tie off and tighten painter.
Sounds more complicated than is is and Launching or lifting only take a minute or so.
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Post by Janissah on Jun 2, 2020 0:23:01 GMT
Hi
Do you have pictures of this? I cant properly understand what you did. Thanks
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Post by Mistroma on Jun 4, 2020 16:07:21 GMT
Not surprised as it's difficult for me to explain. It would be very simple to explain in pictures but I can't seem to find any. I hope that the following is of some help. I found one picture of the stern and one of our dinghy when we were making the chaps. Attachment DeletedPadeyeYou can see the folding padeye in this picture above (click to zoom), sticking up on port side just inside the sugar scoop (directly under red ball on left). It is the only extra part I fitted to hold the dinghy. Attachment Deleted1) We pass the dinghy's painter through the boarding ladder grab bar and tie up on pushpit directly above 2) Thread the line on the dinghy's transom through the padeye on the port side of the scoop and tie to pushpit. This locks the dinghy in place and make it easy to unload shopping or equipment as it doesn't drift around. You do need to watch out for wash or swell but the clip on system is even worse in that respect. The dinghy isn't close coupled to the stern and can slide up or down a bit. We slack off the painter a metre or so and the stern line is loosened by about 2.5 metres to let the dinghy swing around in any wash once we are onboard. Attachment DeletedLifting the dinghy is very quick as posted above but actual order is a bit different1) Alter the stern line I just slacken it off a metre or so and flip the extra length over the end of the sponson. Then I lift the stern of the dinghy slightly and pull the line so that it supports the sponson just clear of the water. The line can then be tied off and is under tension from the weight of the sponson. The dinghy actually rolls on to this line when I tilt the dinghy later. 2) Unthread painter from grab handle on stern and transfer direct to pushpit. I usually pull the painter pretty tight and get the bows about a metre above the water. Our dingy is light and this is very easy to do. 3) Pull dingy up I always leave a length of light 25mm wide webbing attached to the dingy near a rowlock. It's several metres long and very soft, easy to stow out of sight under our dinghy chaps. I always lay it out before starting step 1 but it made sense to mention it now. I pull the tape to tip the dinghy up and there's enough tape to flip a loop through the pushpit on port side and around the end of the sponson. I pull tight and thread through a fixing under the dinghy's bow and back to pushpit on starboard side. The tape holds the dinghy firmly in place as it is looped around the upper sponson and also through the bow fixing. I hope that this makes some sort of sense. I must try to post a video if I ever get back to the boat, very simple to explain that way. Cost is virtually nil and I think it works better than the expensive clips as the dinghy can be tied up in seconds and still allows some vertical movement.
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Post by Janissah on Jun 5, 2020 12:55:40 GMT
That is most instructive and imaginative, and I will do the same. Thank you
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Post by whiteswan on Aug 2, 2022 7:22:11 GMT
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Post by whiteswan on Aug 2, 2022 7:22:47 GMT
Hi Ian, which snap David’s did you purchase?
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Post by heatherina on Aug 5, 2022 15:36:45 GMT
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