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Post by ianqv on Dec 9, 2013 20:32:56 GMT
EDITOR : many of the original photos in the posts below have been lost since Tinypic stopped their operations However the article with photos may be seen at:
www.jeanneau-owners.com/hintsandtips/rudderbearingreplacement.htmlHi All, I am currently replacing he rudder bearings on my S/0 37. So I thought I would share the delightful experience with you all!! No specialist tools or knowledge is required for this job, providing all of your bolts come undone it is a very easy job to do. I will start with what Ian from Clarke and Carter sent to me (cheers Ian if are are reading this... it was v helpful). Item 12: Elastomer ring (black rubber as shown in photo below): £53.90 each (two in system) Item 13: Delrin bearing: £76.50 each (two in system) Item 14: O-ring: £1.70 each (one in system) Items 16 & 17 are “adjusting rings”(spacers) which I have not supplied before to people chaning their bearings.
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Post by ianqv on Dec 9, 2013 20:36:43 GMT
This is the old bearing. The black rubber Doughnut pushes in to the hull and the stainless rudder stock moves on the inside of the white bearing. You can clearly see how worn and "skanky" it is.
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Post by ianqv on Dec 9, 2013 20:38:42 GMT
Here is the nice new bearing... you can see the black rubber o ring on the inside of the white bearing. This keeps the water out and dirt / salt from getting on to the bearing.
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Post by ianqv on Dec 9, 2013 20:40:23 GMT
Here's a close up. BTW - as you can see I still have no idea how to attach multiple pics in one go!!
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Post by ianqv on Dec 9, 2013 20:44:33 GMT
Ok now the fun starts... Here's a pic of it going back together (I will post pics of the top bearing in the next few weeks). I actually epoxied the rubber doughnut in position. To be honest these doughnuts are not the parts that wear, its the white nylon bearings that cause the problems. Anyway... once the rubber doughnut was fitted and the epoxy had gone off, I then started to push home the white bearing - see following pics:
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Post by ianqv on Dec 9, 2013 20:45:40 GMT
and another........
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Post by ianqv on Dec 9, 2013 20:54:33 GMT
One thing which I did whilst the rudder was off was to polish the shaft!! (no not that one! ) - the rudder shaft! it was pretty grubby and you don't really want to mess up the new bearing. So fingers crossed it was a couple of hours well spent. I also wiped a small amount of grease over the rubber seal. This was really just to protect it during installation. once in the water that should lube it. Don't forget (unless you dig a hole to drop the rudder into) you will need the boat lifted so you can slide the old bearings off and the new bearings on. Removal of the old bearings (sorry no pics) - once the rudder was out, it will probably leave behind both bearings, top and bottom in the boat. I used a metal tube first from underneath to knock out the top bearing, then from inside I tapped out the bottom bearing. They come out after a couple of taps with a rubber hammer. Top bearing installation - details and pics to follow (as I've still to do this) If you've got any questions, or need any other pics whilst its all apart please let me know. To be continued.... Ian
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Post by sailbleu on Dec 10, 2013 6:00:04 GMT
Great stuff Ian , thanks a lot sofar . Would you be so kind as to show as many pics as possible of the reinstallation of the kwadrant and all. I guess this the part that troubles the most is it not ? With regards to the pics , there is a very simple way in posting multiple pics in big size immediatly so there is no need to click to enhance. Here's the link , but I'm not sure if you get this in the english version. tinypic.com/ Now Closed down ;-(
You don't need to download any software here , just open the link and use the program , please let me know what language it comes in for you ? Any way ,it doesn't matter , what you do is click the first bar (next to the first window) and get a file/pic from your harddisc. No need to resize it as this program does it all. Next you double click on the desired picture (on your HD) and the link will appear in the window. Go to the thirth window , click on the arrow and chose message board ( 640x480 ) Then upload , well sometimes you need to fill in something , and sometimes you don't , anyway , in the first case you upload again after you filled in what they ask you to. Your uploading now and just wait untill you see 4 windows with codes in it pop up. Copy the code in the second window and immediatly paste it on the proboard sheet , no need to use the topbar tools of the proboard page as the link you paste will automaticly be transferred into a pic when you post your message. You can add as many pics as you like , and they come in a big size. Hope this helps EDIT: To give an example. I copied your picture , placed it in a file on my HD and used this location for the tinypic program.As you can see the pic is in a bigger size .This way it's easier for the readers since they don't have enhance or enlarge a small pic to get a better view.
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 10, 2013 8:30:35 GMT
..............With regards to the pics , there is a very simple way in posting multiple pics in big size immediatly so there is no need to click to enhance........... SailbleuMany thanks Sailbleu for this much better way of loading images. I have plagiarised your idea and loaded up new instructions for images here: jeanneau.proboards.com/thread/8029/revised-guidance-photo-uploads-forumMalcolm
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Post by ianqv on Dec 10, 2013 17:29:39 GMT
Will do - more pics as the job progresses. Sailbleau - I think I may need to ask a teenager to translate what you said (old dog and new tricks spring to mind!! ). I'll give it a go Ian
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Post by ianqv on Dec 10, 2013 17:41:09 GMT
If all goes according to plan.... you should see a pic in this post!! Cheers Sailbleau!
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Post by sailbleu on Dec 11, 2013 4:09:06 GMT
Will do - more pics as the job progresses. Sailbleau - I think I may need to ask a teenager to translate what you said (old dog and new tricks spring to mind!! ). I'll give it a go Ian Happy to be of some service Malcolm. @ Ian , looking forward to your new way of posting now Regards
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Post by ianqv on Dec 15, 2013 16:34:24 GMT
And so the story continues.....
To remove the old bearings I used a long tube (a trolly jack handle) - once the rudder was out, I then slid the tube from below into the hull and hitting it with a hammer drove out the top bearing (a couple of taps and it was out). I then removed the emergency tiller blanking plate from the deck and slid the tube down on to the bottom bearing.... again a couple of hits and it was out!!
Pic is of the top bearing just about out.....
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Post by ianqv on Dec 15, 2013 16:38:31 GMT
The view from inside without the bearing in place
I then epoxied the new bearing (aka rubber doughnut in place)
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Post by ianqv on Dec 15, 2013 16:50:04 GMT
The next step was to push in the white nylon part of the bearing. These were too tight to push in by hand.... so more pressure was required. For the bottom bearing I cut the old bearing on half lengthwise, I then zip strapped this on to the rudder shaft. This was to protect the new bearing during this process - With a bit of lube and a trolly jack.... she pressed home nicely! The top bearing: sorry no pics - but again whilst I was laying inside the boat, my helper passed a tube through the emergency steering hole (on deck), please a clean piece of wood over the new bearing and tapped it in - luckily it was much easier than the bottom bearing. So next step is to fit the collar and quadrant. I can only do this after antifouling - I will of course take some v detailed pics of this stage of the re-assembly. Any questions? any pictures required? I'm happy to help Cheers Ian
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Post by ianqv on Dec 15, 2013 16:54:13 GMT
Sorry... I forgot to add the pic of the bottom bearing all in place:
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Post by MalcolmP on Dec 15, 2013 17:58:23 GMT
All looking good, well done Ian
When it is all finished I will edit it as a future hints and tips article, it will be reassuring to lots of owners in the future of most Jeanneaus with similar spade rudders
Malcolm
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Post by sailbleu on Dec 26, 2013 5:34:28 GMT
Oh Ian , man , how is this possible , I just , today , noticed the rest of your story. It must of slipped through the net. This is such a valuable essay since the kwadrant and rudder thing is all somewhat mysterious for the most of us. I hardly dare to ask Malcolm , but if these pics and explanations could be synthesized to a chronological whole that would be one of the most interesting contributions on the H&T section dont you agree ? At last we get a compilation of repairing a vital part on our boats. I guess this procedure will be universal for most Jeanneaus is it not ?
Thanks Ian.
Kind regards
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Post by ianqv on Dec 27, 2013 19:55:21 GMT
I like to keep you on your toes Sailbleu!! I will take detailed pics of the retaining collar and quadrant. It's pretty easy to re-assemble, however - the collar is a variable spacer (I'll attach some pics). Malcolm - Sorry that this thread isn't in chronological order. But once finished all the info will be here. I'm happy to chat in detail about anything parts which you think need expanding on. Best Regards Ian Oh Ian , man , how is this possible , I just , today , noticed the rest of your story. It must of slipped through the net. This is such a valuable essay since the kwadrant and rudder thing is all somewhat mysterious for the most of us. I hardly dare to ask Malcolm , but if these pics and explanations could be synthesized to a chronological whole that would be one of the most interesting contributions on the H&T section dont you agree ? At last we get a compilation of repairing a vital part on our boats. I guess this procedure will be universal for most Jeanneaus is it not ? Thanks Ian. Kind regards
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Post by ianqv on Dec 27, 2013 20:08:02 GMT
You can see the retaining spacer covered in grease and the bolt which passes through it (to the right)
Once cleaned up it looked a little scuffed up
So after a little buffing...... it looked like this (being a smooth shiny surface "should" help it run better on the white nylon bearing)- after all, the whole weight of the rudder runs on this surface.
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Post by ianqv on Dec 27, 2013 20:26:06 GMT
But as already mentioned........ this collar is variable for the amount of spacing it gives. Looks closely at the holes, there are 4 holes which are spaced 90 degrees from each other. Depending on which set of holes you use, will depend on how high or low your rudder is mounted i.e you don't want it rubbing on the hull as you turn the rudder. Also, turning the bearing the other way round i.e upside down this will give you a further two spacing options. See the difference in height between the two holes You can clearly see the two holes in the background at different heights (the ones which are out of focus!!.. sorry!) Thats all for the time being.... Once the collar and quadrant goes on I will update Cheers Ian
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Post by ianqv on Mar 11, 2014 22:34:59 GMT
Dear All, I plan to refit the rudder this weekend. So if anyone requires any specific pictures..... please let me know! Otherwise I'll just click away and try and cover all the main parts.
Regards
Ian
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Post by MalcolmP on Mar 11, 2014 22:46:02 GMT
Dear All, I plan to refit the rudder this weekend. So if anyone requires any specific pictures..... please let me know! Otherwise I'll just click away and try and cover all the main parts. Regards Ian Good luck Ian Looks like you are well prepared, I am sure it will be a doodle... Malcolm
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Post by sailbleu on Mar 12, 2014 6:51:37 GMT
Dear All, I plan to refit the rudder this weekend. So if anyone requires any specific pictures..... please let me know! Otherwise I'll just click away and try and cover all the main parts. Regards Ian Silly question Ian As many as you can get of course. Regards
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Post by ianqv on Mar 16, 2014 17:38:13 GMT
Evening All,
The concluding episode of rudder bearing replacement.
As before a trolley jack will be your best friend for this job!
First on is the retaining collar.
However, take note as to the spacing of this retaining collar, as shown before there are 4 holes in this collar, 2 drilled in the center and 2 which are off set (this an give you a high / low shim affect depending on which way up you have the collar. This pic shows the collar off set the wrong way around (by now the rudder has been fully jacked up).
This pic shows the collar flipped over so that the spacing matches the protruding hole in the shaft.
Next up is the woodruff key which goes in to the stock. this stops the quadrant from rotating... you will find it much easier if you disconnect the steering cables!
The back part of the quadrant is held on by 4 17mm nuts / bolts. you can only see two in this pic, the other 2 are on the other side in the same position.
This pic shows the quadrant in position, you can also see the woodruff key in position, as well as the 4 securing nuts for the quadrant. The steering cables are also now in position (but still have to be adjusted.
Jranneau fit two 17mm nuts on to the steering cables, none of which are nylocs! I strongly suggest if you do any work in this area to fit nyloc over the top of the two nuts..... they will never shake loose then!
All in all a pretty easy job! no specialist tools or know how is required.
Let me know if you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer them
Best Regards
Ian
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