I would like to hear experiences of those owners who bought their Jeanneau (especially 40-45' sail) as they were coming out of the charter fleets. Or Charter boat owners who continued to sail their boats after the charter agreement ended. I'm clearly aware of all the risks & downsides however people are buying these boats & it would interesting to hear about their experiences. I did a search & did not see any similar threads.
Post by notorious7004 on Aug 22, 2006 16:16:56 GMT
I bought my Sun Legende from a charter company after having chartered it for 2 weeks. It is the 2nd boat I´ve bought from charter companies and my experience has been positive. Boats from reputable charter companies are usually given good maintenance and care. Over 25 years of sailing and 7 sailboat from 25' to 47' I would say the most trouble free and enjoyable boats were the ones bought from charter companies (the first was a Maxi 92 from Sweden and my current Sun Legende which is my personal favorite!). Good luck!
Notorious............like that Thanks so much for responding as it has not been easy to get responses from several forums. Most people tell you over & over not to do it. Can you share more details here or via e-mail? What size Sun Ledgende did you purchase?........Did you charter it as a "sea trial", survey?........what systems needed repair or upgrades immediately? What was your primary reasons for buying ex-charter vs private owner? I could go on & on but ..........you understand. Thanks in advance
Post by notorious7004 on Aug 23, 2006 14:41:07 GMT
My other boat was hauled out during the time I usually take off for the BVI´s and I had formerly gotten deals for friends from North/South which is a small charted company based in Tortola. In the summer they have deals like you charter for 1 week and get another one free. So I chartered a CC41 but when I got there they had readied a Sun Legende 41 since it has 2 heads and we would be more comfortable. I fell for the boat right away since she was fast, easy to handle and very comfortable. After 2 weeks of sailing I decided to ask if the boat was for sale; it was so I negotiated a good price and bought her. Now I have to get rid of my Irwin 40, but that´s another story. As I said before boats in charter fleets usually get decent maintenance. Other than cosmetic (redoing the brightwork inside) I´ve had no problems with the boat. The main reason for buying ex-charter was really price. But as I mentioned before charter boats from reputable companies are usually well maintained. They might not have all the frills you might want, but you can add those later. Good Luck!
Notorious: Thanks again for more details....................It really healps to hear from someone who has really done it. I also enjoy Jenneaus vs many other boats. They sail better then Beneteaus ..........I've had several on Charters including a 40' Jenneau in Gaudeloupe/Dominica in June. It handled the open water & good breezes better than I expected. I found a web site of an owner who bought & upgraded a former charter Cat in St. Martin.........very detailed info on upgrades & then his journey around the world. Enjoy your 41'
We are presently a Moorings owner. We own a Jeanneau SO49 (M494). For the most part they keep up their boats in very good condition for the charterers. On occasion, when we use our boat, we find items that have to be repaired or replaced and they do it when they become aware of it. The last major item, I noticed, was the the heads kept leaking water into the bowl. I mentioned it to them and they replaced all of the units and never even bothered to make repairs to the defective valves.
The Moorings have a very good phase out program; but you have to be there and have a surveyor checking out the repairs and are replacements you requested. All in all I find that their vessels can come out in very good condition.
Try www.sailonline.com It is a website for charter boat owners; and very informative. They also have classifieds for used charter boats. The owner of the site Michel Benarrosh is also any owner of a sailboat with The Moorings and is a broker. He has been involved with the sale and phase out of many sailboats. He is especially involved with Moorings' boats phasing out and is aware of pitfalls and who to deal with to get the job done corrrectly. He also sells boats out of www.EasterYachts.com.
Earlier this year I bought an SO 45.2 from Sunsail. It had been a charter boat but had limited use.
So far the experience has been a pretty positive one. She passed the survey with flying colours and it was obvious that a proper maintenance schedule had been in place during her time being chartered and that no significant structural accidents had happened.
She was also in pretty cosmetic good condition for an ex charter boat, which I know is not always the case.
Since taking ownership its been nothing but fun. There are a long list of jobs to be done this winter but these are either normal wear and tear or because i want to upgrade the kit shce came with.
So far so good then. I think that if you buy from a recognised charter company with a good maintenance regime in place, that you view before buying and that you have a full survey then it can work well. Finally, I had an added bonus as the Sunsail yacht broker that negotiated the deal was terrible and, consequently I got her for a steal.
Post by notorious7004 on Aug 29, 2006 13:45:12 GMT
You can actually check the used boats that are for sale from Sunsail at Sunsail.com They do have pretty good deals, as do the Moorings but since they are fairly new boats the asking prices are usually high. Yachtworld.com is a good source to use to 1) find a used boat or 2) find the going prices for the boat you´re looking for. Buyer´s market right now in the Caribbean beacuase of the hurricane season!
Zimbali - Thanks for your response & helpful hints......will use. What area in the world was your 45.2 based? Good luck with your almost new boat.
Notorious: thanks for add'l info.................I have been studying the sites & getting a feel for the prices on several models I'm interested in.
She is in Greece in the Ionian, bought from the Sunsail base at Vounaki and currently moored at Lefkas.
One additional thought. I get the distinct impression that there is a price differential between boats sold in the Med and boats sold in the UK: i.e the ones in the Med seem to be about 20 percent cheaper. Has anyone else found this?
Zimbali: Thanks again for info. From a listing price observation, there are differences across the globe. Appears more expensive down under + UK.....vs Med or Caribbean. Not knowing the actual selling price, it's hard to know if it's actually true. There seems to be some attempt by Moorings & Sunsail to set price levels by yr & model by area...............but then you will observe a big gap on certain boats with just a yr difference in age or location. Guess you don't find out until You jump in the game like You did.