Best knot for halyard ?

[martti]

Hello

I didn't knew name of the knot on halyard, so please educate if you noticed from pictures below ?



Also would be interesting to know what is your preferred knot for halyard, what I think is not needed to be able to open ?
I would use something like round turn & two half hitches, but that can be opened afterward

Also I found interesting web pages for knots, see below the link.

www.animatedknots.com/

One wish - please use full names what I can google to find what they are

Preparing for summer,
-Martti

[martti]

Found two good candidates, but seem not to be same as in picture.

- Halyard knot
pdf.nauticexpo.com/pdf/selden/hints-and-advice/21696-6227-_16.html

- Buntline hitch
www.netknots.com/html/buntline_hitch.html

[Don Reaves]

Jeanneau used this knot on my vang, though I don't recall seeing it on my halyard. Looking in "The Ashley Book of Knots," it seems to be knot #1913. Ashley describes it as a temporary hitch used on lifeboat lashings, with additional turns which are used to expend the surplus line.

My experience with it is that it is certainly not temporary. Removing the knot is not an easy task. But if you want to use it, you will have to tighten it up a lot. Otherwise, it will come loose.

Personally, I use a bowline. But the halyard knot you have listed above looks like another good one.

Don

[Phantom]

The "knot" is a buntline hitch. Although it is strong and very permanant, the twists would weaken to line. My preference is always splice shackles in the line.

[Deleted]

For what it's worth. I afraid that isn't a buntline hitch. This knot was used for everything on my SO 35 and I learned how to tie it when I replaced lines and it's very different from the buntline. Here is a buntline hitch. Notice the bitter-end exits the top. The bitter-end exits the center bottom of in the knot in question. I've never seen this knot outside the context of a Jeanneau.

[abuttjes]

Looks just like the knot one uses to attach nylon line to a fish hook without as many turns around itself. (Fisherman's Knot?) This same knot is used on the Topping Lift of my boat, SO40.3.

Cheers, Andrew

[pj]

The photographed knot is a classic knot used for halyards. Could I reinforce Don Reaves' comment that it needs to be " ..tightened a lot.." --The shackle needs to be attached to a hard point and heavily tensioned using a winch.

[dilligaf]

That knot is a double sheet bend.
B-

[martti]

Hi

Would double sheet bend work with shackles ? I just found this knot working with two ropes, but don't know how to use it with shackle.

Any help (picture) ?

Br,
-Martti

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2010 10:48:30 GMT martti said:

Hi

Would double sheet bend work with shackles ? I just found this knot working with two ropes, but don't know how to use it with shackle.

Any help (picture) ?

Br,
-Martti

This knot isn't a double sheet bend either. Look at the picture below. Even if you viewed the white line as the shackle, the knot isn't what is pictured above? I'm not sure this knot has a name. I've never seen it in any knot tying books nor have I seen it on any boat other than a Jeanneau. The search continues?



Uploaded with ImageShack.us

[martti]

Hello all

Did a bit research, and here is a picture flow as I understood how the knot in the original question has been made.

I found this easy to do and feels reliable, hope this help other as it did help me. If this is somehow Jeanneau preferred/ specific, how to add pictures in hints & tips if wanted ?

Br,
-Martti

[Don Reaves]

Martti,

Very nice presentation. And this sequence clearly shows that the knot is neither a buntline hitch nor a double sheet bend.

I suspect that Jeanneau cuts the tail off the knot after tying it. I have a couple on my boat where the tail is so short you won't notice it unless you look very close.

Don

[MalcolmP]

May 16, 2010 7:33:40 GMT martti said:

how to add pictures in hints & tips if wanted ?

Thanks Maarti for these I will add to Hints and Tips for next month

Malcolm

[martti]

Hi Don

Yes cutting the tails makes the knot looking much better and sure is also better to handle.

I just had to left the tail to be able to open it, as did it for example only But those made in originally are truly compacts.

We should have all these professional tools to make knot finalized.
But one hint what I hear is that heat piece of iron (e.g. old knife) and use it to cut and fuse the end of the rope.

Do any have other ideas to have rope cuts looking professional ?

- Martti

[Don Reaves]

Hi Martti,

I think the hot knife is probably the best tool. You can get a special attachment for a soldering gun that is essentially the same thing and is very easy to use.

Personally, I've never used either. Normally, I whip the end of the rope, cut it close to the whipping, and use a flame. But that technique wouldn't work for this knot, because you need a very short tail.

Don

[MartyB]

blow torches or equal work well, for some ropes! Not sure it would work well for that knot tho. Hot knife or equal. Or a mini pen light torch I have might work too..........may have to work on that one, I do have a spin pole lift that needs a different knot on it......hmmmmm........ give me to the weekend to play and think on that......... hmmmmmmmmm

marty

[MalcolmP]

May 16, 2010 17:24:55 GMT MalcolmP said:

May 16, 2010 7:33:40 GMT martti said:

how to add pictures in hints & tips if wanted ?

Thanks Maarti for these I will add to Hints and Tips for next month

Malcolm

Now published at: www.jeanneau-owners.com/hintsandtips/halyardknot.html

[davidc]

When we were diving -we were taught this knot as an anchor bend

[AHoy]

To me it looks like a figure-of-eight "stopper" knot with an additional turn and the shackle included in the bottom loop. All the halyard lines on my SO32.2 use this knot and it seems very effective.

[MalcolmP]

Webcrew:

Since I can't get registered on the forum (my computer problem - not your fault), thoght I'd respond to you. This knot was known- at least in southern New England, as a "swivel hitch" because it would hold monofilament fishing line to a swivel without slipping.

There is also a variation of this knot known as a "buntline hitch" - don't know where that name came from.

Regards, John

Tonic 23 "Veleiro", Warwick, RI

[electricmonk]

May 16, 2010 7:33:40 GMT martti said:

Hello all

Did a bit research, and here is a picture flow as I understood how the knot in the original question has been made.

I found this easy to do and feels reliable, hope this help other as it did help me. If this is somehow Jeanneau preferred/ specific, how to add pictures in hints & tips if wanted ?

Br,
-Martti

I was taught (half a century ago) that this was a "riggers knot" for use on halyards, cant find a reference to it anywhere but it serves two purposes, it secures the shackle and provides a large knot that wont get stuck in the sheave at the top of the mast.

[ianbyrne]

Hi Martti,
I use this knot on all halyards, uphauls and downhauls on our Sunfast 32 since we bought her in 1999. The boat is raced twice weekly and does all major regattas. We have not had a single failure. A few years ago I was told it was originally a climbing knot called the 'Deadmans Knot' but I am not sure if it is true. One thing though, it cannot be undone and must be cut.
Regards
Ian Byrne

[flyarf]

I believe this is a fisherman's Blood Knot with fewer turns.

[mppoffshore]

On my 39i the halyards are ties with a buntline hitch. It's perfectly adequate, but I garee that a splice is better. Alternatively there's a good video here that shows how to tie a variation of the buntline that looks very secure: www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-tie-halyard-hitch-knot-177169/

[supra]

This is a well known fishing knot. It's called a Half Blood Knot. A full Blood Knot is where the knot is used to tie two lines together with the tag ends lying opposite each other in the centre of the knot.

In nylon monofilament fishing line, the friction required to tighten the knot weakens the line considerably.

Supra