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Post by insight3774 on Jan 22, 2006 8:36:13 GMT
Just about to buy a new 32i lifting keel version for coastal/cross chanel cruising from Cornwall. Really like the boat but wondering if there are any particular problems with this keel arrangement.
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Post by Tim on Jan 23, 2006 12:23:38 GMT
Lift keels are always a compromise, especially on boats over 30ft. It won't go upwind as well, it'll make more leeway and it will displace more to compensate for the lost righting moment.
Unless you need the shallow draft, it's probably not worth the compromise. I don't know what resale is like for lift keels either but I would imagine a fin would command a premium.
Tim
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Post by MartyB on Jan 24, 2006 4:01:20 GMT
I would have to agree with Tim on this, a fin keel is the better sailing rig. If you are in a shallow area, like here in the states, ie Chesapeke bay or equal, then a lift keel is needed. But if you are in an area like I am, the Puget sound area of Wa st, then with water levels go to 3-400+ ft below me, a fin keel IMHO is the way to go. If wanting a cruising keel, then a longer shallower fin will work also. Lift keel, center board boats do have a place, just make sure it is YOUR place of travel!
I would also look at the SF over the SO for the best keel, sail performance option too!
Marty
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jimdew
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Post by jimdew on Feb 17, 2006 19:24:26 GMT
Tim is right and wrong -
the fin keel will of course sail better, but the lift keel does command a premium.
As an East Coast UK sailor ( we have a SO35 Lift Keel) the benefits are apparent. I have had 4 lift keel boats.
You can dry out in safety with your boat and take good advantage of many of the smaller river anchorages and flat estuaries both in the UK and on the North coast of France. If you get up to Holland (see yout there in May!), you will find it very useful in the shallower areas of the Ijselmeer, Markemeer etc.
You will also be able to lift the keel downwind in light airs with the kite up, and go past your heavily handicapped fin keelers.
Unless there is F5 or above, I actually sail mine all the time with the keel up as I have experimented with the performance, and there was not a great deal of difference. Yours will be slightly different as you have a pair of stabilising fins, but try it and find out. Above all the hull is fast and safe.
Enjoy
Jim
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Post by Tim on Feb 22, 2006 12:06:54 GMT
As a fellow East Coast UK sailor (Ipswich) I'd leap in again here.
We've owned
Super Seal 26 (Lift keel - fibreglass dagger)
Parker 275 (Lift keel - balasted dagger)
Feeling 306 (Lift Keel - swing)
Sun Odyssey 32 (Fin - 1.5m draft)
Sun Fast 35 (Fin - 2.15m draft)
The best sailing lift keelers were the super seal and the parker as they had dinghy style dagger boards and swinging rudders. The 306 is the closest arrangement to a lift keel 32 and was massively hamstrung by it's short spade rudder.
I've also sailed an Oceanis 311 with a lift keel and twin rudder arrangement which was a complete pig - you needed to be He-Man to keep the thing in a straight line upwind in any kind of blow and the whole thing felt twitchy offwind with a decent sea running as you just couldn't steer the face of the waves accurately.
The difference noticed when we switched to fins was staggering and the only difference is we now can't visit drying out harbours.
And talking of the inland waterways - I've raced our SF35 through the Veersemeer, running the edges whilst beeting towards Veere. As long as your echo sounder is well calibrated it's all good.
I won't mention that our good placing in that race was due to several of our competitors ploughing furrows in the mud!
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Post by ianmartin on Mar 16, 2006 13:38:50 GMT
I have had a SO35 lift keel for a year and can recommend it for the rias of the West Country and West Wales.
Ask about any hidden anodes that may be involved although I think the 32 has a simpler mechanism.
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Post by benningshof on Apr 20, 2006 13:25:57 GMT
I just bought an Attalia 32 (1986) with lift keel. Keel is jammed. Any easy solutions?
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Post by Tim on Apr 20, 2006 14:53:05 GMT
Could it be a stone? Our 306 had a jammed keel after a pebble got stuck in the slot. It'll probably need lifting out to check it.
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Post by rick712 on May 17, 2006 22:18:03 GMT
In certain conditions a small amount of sea water comes in through the rope lifting slot on my SO32.2 lift keel. Has anybody found a way of illiminating this?
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Post by Andy M on May 25, 2006 3:46:45 GMT
I have a similar problem with a 32.2 when the boat dries out on mud berth. In what conditions does yours take on water? In certain conditions a small amount of sea water comes in through the rope lifting slot on my SO32.2 lift keel. Has anybody found a way of illiminating this? |
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Post by rick712 on May 27, 2006 12:49:19 GMT
Hi Andy,
Sorry for the delayed reply, but I don't visit this forum every day. My 32.2 takes a small amount of water through the keel rope slot in a sea state 3 upwards. I wondered if anyone had found a satisfactory way to block the slot.
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Post by Andy M on May 27, 2006 15:08:03 GMT
I have not found a solution. I have not experienced the problem of water coming in during such sea states (probably due to the boat being recently purchased). Mine is a problem as it comes in when on the mud berth which dries twice a day - have you dried your boat out?
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Post by rick712 on May 28, 2006 0:17:01 GMT
I have not died out yet, but when I do I will let you know.
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Post by marc on May 30, 2006 14:56:50 GMT
I’ve sailed many years with boats with lift-keels. I have also experienced that water came out on top of the lifting system. The problem is biggest when the boat lies in mud, on the hard (sands) there is mostly no problem. When the boat dries out the mud pushes the water high into the lifting system support. With my last 2 boats, a Beneteau 305 and a SO35 with lifting keels, I did not have the problem any more. The solved it (SO35) with a tube from the top of the lifting support to a valve on the hull, the beneteau tube was connected to a valve from the kitchen, so the water can run away before it comes out on top. You could try with a piece of tube and a bucket, you need to drill a whole first little bit under the top off the lifting support.
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Post by rick712 on Sept 4, 2006 20:55:21 GMT
do you find that the SO 32.2 lift keel is stable on the twin rudders when dried out?
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Post by rick712 on Sept 6, 2006 0:10:53 GMT
Andy or anybody. Is the SO32.2 lift keel stable on the twin rudders when dried out?
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Post by rick712 on Sept 10, 2006 8:48:23 GMT
Any swing keelers experience stability problems on the twin rudders when drying out?
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Post by jimdew on Sept 10, 2006 19:28:25 GMT
My SO35 LK is perfectly happy on the twin rudders. In fact they are just clear of the ground if the plate is on firm ground, but its OK also when you sink in a bit.
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Post by aria on Oct 16, 2006 10:31:01 GMT
I own a sunrise 35 lift keel and I have noticed this year that when we go over large swell or the boat moves over swell in an unual way it makes the boat shudder. I would expect this problem to be down to not having a locking pin allowing the keel to move up in the casing and then jarring back down on its stops...(does anyone know if the sunrise had locking pins or can they be retro fitted) also I need to service the wing keel this winter and remove the cable and pivot bearings... has anyone performed this kind of operation before? a response to any of this would be great.. thanks nick
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