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Post by Fabrice-Erta on Jan 13, 2020 21:58:18 GMT
indeed, I first need to have a full estimate for all the options before I can decide. what is also bothering me is that you can select the heater or the AC, but with my plan of sailing, I need both :-( if I might ask, which options did you choose on your new boat, as the 440 and 490 are very similar? I plan on going with the electric winches and the traditional main + self taking jib + code zero. I also plan to take the full cockpit + Bimini + enclosures for the rainy days. The A/C is supposed to heat as well. Did not had chance to test yet. Also have the full cockpit/ bimini. we prefered standard genoa and have the releasable forestay. Iwould suggest to get the self taking also for the « trinquette » Also choose a code 0 like fabrice
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Post by zzmeyer on Aug 2, 2020 22:12:41 GMT
A genset is a tough call. For resale, I think many people will expect it on a 49, perhaps less so on the 44. The genset is quiet, but takes space and is another thing to maintain (and fix) and is expensive. If you don't need air conditioning or a washer/dryer at anchor (shore power can power these), I would personally skip. Given how cheap solar has gotten and although lithium is expensive it is incredibly efficient I'd work on finding places for solar. While a larger alternator isn't needed for traditional batteries lithium can take the charge. I would lean towards a generator if you don't think you can generate most of your energy with solar or normal motoring between ports (as we move every couple days we generally generate enough amps from the alternator to take care of stuff). Speaking of noise, I would seriously consider skipping a wind generator. Some people have gotten used to the sound of it, but there is no such thing as a silent wind generator.
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Post by ceaman on May 16, 2021 14:23:24 GMT
Hi Gazy,
We are faving the same traject like you mentioned. We are looking to choose the options for a new ordered 440. The performance version is attracting me the most. The 2,3m seems not a problem to me for the Belgian Coast and Zeeland.
What options did you decide? Very curious to hear it from an experienced buyer sailor of a 440.
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Post by JEF on May 16, 2021 17:47:36 GMT
Hi
SY Espliego - SO 440 Deep keel 2.3m, Inmast reefing Main , Std Genoa , 57hp engine , Flex o fold prop, 3 Cabin layout , Full offshore Raymarine electronics , Retractable bow thruster , Heating option , Solar pannels etc., Full factory cockpit canopy.
Home port Harwich Uk ... Our intention was to cross Biscay and cruise Portugal / Spain / Balerics areas odviously this was the plan pre Covid & Brexit complications. Now we are cruising East & South coasts this season and will re plan in 2021.
Extreamly pleased with this yacht to date , easy sailing with all round good performance, No major issues and the querries we have encountered our local Jeanneau dealer Clarke & Carter has professionally covered every time and exceeding our expectation.
As the lady commodore is not a very experience sailor ease of hadeling is important, Therfore this is our first Jeanneau yacht we have owned with Inmast Reefing specification ..the disadvantage being loss a mainsail area and less performance in the low wind speeds. After discussion with Elvstrom sails uk we have decided to stick with this rig until next season building our 440 experience and will seriously consider a main sail up spec change up to Elvstroms Fat Furl which will give us back the lost main performance. However I did not get away without filling in some of the performance gaps so we purchased an Elvstrom Blue Water Runner ( twizel rig ) from experience to date ..wow what a sail more that covers a wide sail options in one easy to manage bit of kit.
Hope you enjoy the new SO440
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Post by ceaman on May 17, 2021 10:08:48 GMT
Hey Gazy, I saw you remakrs about the draft. If i look at the depth-charts of the Ijselmeer I don’t see much difficulties of shallow depth. Mostly 4-6 meter depth. At the moment we are in the middle of ordering an SO 440 and choosing the version that suits me the most. Looking at the performace version with 2,3 meters depth. Your remarks started to make me having doubts about this version versus shalllow depth keel. Regards C. Hi Gazy, Our 39i is moored in Enkhuizen, so weekend sails are mostly on the IJsselmeer or Waddenzee. During holiday's we sail mostly to the UK, France and Baltic. Although we have the Performance version, we have the standard 2m keel. This does not give too much restrictions our sailing area, however we have to be a bit more cautious then with our previous boat which had a depth of only 1.45m. With a draught of 2.3 meter more of the IJsselmeer will become tricky to assess and shallow patches of the Western Waddenzee as well. Also the East Coast rivers of the UK will become more difficult or impossible. For that reasons, we would not want a boat with a draught of 2.3 meter. However, the Delta area will cause you less trouble with 2.3 meter and it makes sense that a bigger boat requires a deeper keel. So is really about your targeted cruising area. If this is the Waddenzee, East Coast UK etc, then I would opt for the 1.65 version. If it will be mainly the Delta and Blue Water like the Med and Carieb later, I would go for the deeper version. It will not only have a better pointing ability upwind but because the keel is 500kg lighter than the shallow versions, you will have also more cargo capacity ("Laadvermogen") when living aboard for a longer period and/or additional gear like generators etc. By the way. re-reading our wishes, if you really want a dishwasher and washing machine, then a generator is a must if you want to use these outside a marina. If you can do without, increased battery capacity and charging capabilities could do the job. Harald
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Post by shenandoah on May 17, 2021 16:49:20 GMT
Gazy, We purchased our 440 last year and went through a similar decision process. We decided against the genset and have not regretted it. The lithium batteries charge very quickly. We are planning to add solar and we are glad we did not do that right away as we now have a much better idea of needs as well as mounting options etc. There is no substitute for time on the specific yacht to really get an understanding of your needs.
Not getting the genset was a savings, our choice was to use that for the performance rig which is a big plus for us, but we like to sail fast and sail when others are motoring. However, it also freed up a very large cockpit locker and added significant storage which was an even bigger benefit in our book and one that often gets ignored.
My thought was that technology for solar and batteries continues to move forward and make gensets less and less important than they have been in the past. It would not surprise me if they completely go away in the next decade. I am not prepared to wager on that, I am just saying that it would not be surprising. The need for storage however never decreases.
Hope that is helpful. The good news is it is hard to go wrong. Congratulations on the new yacht!
Warm regards, Chuck
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Post by element on May 17, 2021 17:27:37 GMT
I suggest this question was for me (Element) and not Gazy.. You are correct that most parts of the IJsselmeer is between 4 and 6 meter. I did not say that it is impossible to sail on the IJsselmeer with 2.3 meters draft. I only say you have to be a bit more cautious. There are shallow areas near Den Oever, Hindelopen, Kornwerd, Workum and some harbours (like Workum) with only 1.5 to 2.5 meters depth. But if you take care (especially in Winter when the water level is lowered) but are still accessible. So if you keep that in mind, you will have more sailing fun with 2.3 meters draft. And if you might touch the ground occasionally (which will happen, mark my words), it is mostly soft ground/mud. Hey Gazy, I saw you remakrs about the draft. If i look at the depth-charts of the Ijselmeer I don’t see much difficulties of shallow depth. Mostly 4-6 meter depth. At the moment we are in the middle of ordering an SO 440 and choosing the version that suits me the most. Looking at the performace version with 2,3 meters depth. Your remarks started to make me having doubts about this version versus shalllow depth keel. Regards C. Hi Gazy, Our 39i is moored in Enkhuizen, so weekend sails are mostly on the IJsselmeer or Waddenzee. During holiday's we sail mostly to the UK, France and Baltic. Although we have the Performance version, we have the standard 2m keel. This does not give too much restrictions our sailing area, however we have to be a bit more cautious then with our previous boat which had a depth of only 1.45m. With a draught of 2.3 meter more of the IJsselmeer will become tricky to assess and shallow patches of the Western Waddenzee as well. Also the East Coast rivers of the UK will become more difficult or impossible. For that reasons, we would not want a boat with a draught of 2.3 meter. However, the Delta area will cause you less trouble with 2.3 meter and it makes sense that a bigger boat requires a deeper keel. So is really about your targeted cruising area. If this is the Waddenzee, East Coast UK etc, then I would opt for the 1.65 version. If it will be mainly the Delta and Blue Water like the Med and Carieb later, I would go for the deeper version. It will not only have a better pointing ability upwind but because the keel is 500kg lighter than the shallow versions, you will have also more cargo capacity ("Laadvermogen") when living aboard for a longer period and/or additional gear like generators etc. By the way. re-reading our wishes, if you really want a dishwasher and washing machine, then a generator is a must if you want to use these outside a marina. If you can do without, increased battery capacity and charging capabilities could do the job. Harald
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Post by shenandoah on May 17, 2021 17:29:14 GMT
By the way. I can't speak for your cruising grounds, but I am very glad I got the standard deep keel.
My dealer had specified the wrong keel and we had to fight to get it fixed. Jeanneau was very helpful, as was this forum, in getting that done. I then sailed the boat 75 miles from the yard that installed the keel back to our home port with the dealer. He was shocked by the difference it made.
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