hillwalker
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Jeanneau Model: Sun Odyssey 32i
Yacht Name: Endeavour
Country: UK
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Post by hillwalker on Dec 9, 2019 17:24:50 GMT
Hello all, looking for some advice here.
I want to fit a set of clutches and deck hardware on the starboard side of my coachroof (32i) so that all the lines can come back to the cockpit, at the moment the only facility is for 4 lines on the port side. This will mean drilling through the coachroof!
I am an owner with very little confidence in my DIY skills where there is much chance of things going wrong (I let the boatyard do all my engine maintenance, plumbing and electrics etc), but this job doesn't appear to be too technical. (I did drill holes in my toerails and fit midships cleats successfully)!
Am I kidding myself? Is it pretty straightforward or an expensive job in the boatyard? I am aware that I will have to remove the 'ceiling panels' in the saloon, anybody know how they come off? And go back on again?
I have a set of Barton clutches I bought to fit on a previous boat, but never fitted as I was terrified of the drilling task!!!
David
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Post by Charlie-Bravo on Dec 9, 2019 21:23:16 GMT
Hi David I can't help with your model of yacht, but fitting extra clutches isn't a hugely difficult task and you should manage it, with diy tools, take your time, and all will be well, you might consider the grp thickness at the place where you are putting the clutches, and if it turns out to be thin, say about 6 to 8mm thick, you should strengthen the underside by bonding some marine ply to the underside to spread the loads the clutches will take, or if you feel adventurous you could thicken the grp...... but it is a messy job doing fibreglassing upside down so best avoided. Seal everything with sealant or you will get drips.
Headlinings are designed to come down easily on most modern vessels, but it might take some study to understand how they are held up, the french are quite clever at getting headlinings to defy gravity and just look like they are held up by nothing, unlike a Brit boat where you can see all the fixings, force should not be required, generally a few screws with caps need removing and then the panels slide and drop,
DIY gets you a lot of satisfaction, and connection with your vessel, ....... but if in real fear, you should 'sub it out' .... or have a go and then let the yard fix it if you fail ..... what can possibly go wrong ?
Good luck CB
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hillwalker
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Jeanneau Model: Sun Odyssey 32i
Yacht Name: Endeavour
Country: UK
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Post by hillwalker on Dec 10, 2019 20:25:42 GMT
Thanks CB for the encouragement, I think I can tackle this after Christmas. I plan to fix them in the parallel place to those on the Port side of the coachroof, and I plan to use ply underneath to spread the load. Having said that I am not fitting a winch and its mainly for the topping lift and reef line, so nothing with too much tension.
I am becoming a little more adventurous with the DIY but I am cautious as I can remember snapping the heads off cylinder head bolts and other disasters in my younger days!
Happy Christmas
David
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Post by zaphod on Dec 11, 2019 4:07:10 GMT
Drilling new holes in decks can be intimidating, but not hard. Just make very sure you are 100% happy with the placement. If you are drilling through a wood core deck it is a good idea to clear coat the exposed core in the holes with epoxy. That way if the bolts leak in future the water is less likely to soak into the core. I'm not sure plywood backing is the way to go. If it is very high load then a stainless backing plate would be good, but for your application fender washers would probably be plenty strong enough. If you bed the clutches with butyl tape you get a good seal, and you can still remove them easily for servicing in future. There is a great post on bedding deck hardware here: www.sailnet.com/forums/showthread.php?p=589445
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Post by ohana on Dec 11, 2019 12:50:56 GMT
I am about to fit new stainless steel grab rails to the coachroof of my 439. The deck is cored, so it is vital to properly make reinforced holes for the fixings. This is not difficult to do but involves removing part of the foam or wood core in the proximity of the hole and back filling with a structural filler. This prevents crushing of the core material. Lots of guides and advice for this on line eg www.soundingsonline.com/features/installing-hardware-on-cored-decks
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Post by so32foot on Dec 15, 2019 15:52:46 GMT
I installed them years ago om my SO32. The most difficult job was to get the ceiling off. If I remember I had to remove the complete ceiling on starboard (where I installed the clutches), as well the middle part of the cabin. Used counterplates of 3 or 4 mm thickness instead rings. I used Sikaflex 291.
Be carefull with putting back the screws of the ceiling, you can easily get the screws a few mm's besides the existing holes. If you do that few times you have to drill new holes in the ceiling.
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hillwalker
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Jeanneau Model: Sun Odyssey 32i
Yacht Name: Endeavour
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Post by hillwalker on Dec 17, 2019 11:50:19 GMT
Thanks SO32foot, I cannot see or find any screws, clips or anything else that secures the ceiling panels, another entry above suggests they are held up with strong velcro on his boat, maybe the 32i is the same. I am naturally cautious about tugging too hard in case some other method is holding them up.
Maybe fitting new clutches isn't such a good idea!
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Post by Charlie-Bravo on Dec 18, 2019 15:30:43 GMT
On quite a few Jenn SO the headlining is quite clever, there is on mine, 8 white plastic buttons which are screw head covers, 4 per side, once these are opened with a pointy knife they reveal the screw heads, once unscrewed , one section of headlining can be wriggled down, it is mostly held up by wooden ' fingers' which interlock with the first panel, most of my plastic button hiding screws are at the companion way end of the headlining, and the first panel to come down is a small bit near the companionway, and the next is at the outer edge .... the bit with the curtain rail. when this is down it reveals screws holding up the middle panel. If no buttons are seen, velcro may have been employed as on other brands, my next move would to be to chat to your local Raymarine or other marine electrician, they spend most of their lives wriggling wires from mast to instruments and they will know how to take these panels down, and if asked will delight in telling you how easy it can be. Once you have the knowlage, it is worth having an extra pair of hands available to assist with the lowering to avoid collateral damage.
Dont give up
CB
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hillwalker
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Jeanneau Model: Sun Odyssey 32i
Yacht Name: Endeavour
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Post by hillwalker on Dec 21, 2019 16:16:30 GMT
Thanks CB,
will have a chat to the folk in the marina workshop and see if they can cast some light on it. I understand one of the major changes in the SO32i from the previous SO32 is a coachroof of both different design and also using different materials and manufacturing process, so maybe there is a new method of holding up the ceiling panels.
The outboard edge appears to have the curtain rail built into it, and the inboard edge looks like it is slipped underneath a wooden batten, so it is looking likely that there might be some velcro someplace on the outboard edge. Will have a chat in the workshop.
David
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Post by geitz on Dec 24, 2019 23:26:13 GMT
David,
If the section of coach roof is cored, "pot" the mounting holes, regardless of coring material. Have a look at this site:
Mike
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hillwalker
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Jeanneau Model: Sun Odyssey 32i
Yacht Name: Endeavour
Country: UK
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Post by hillwalker on Dec 27, 2019 17:18:30 GMT
Thanks Mike, some excellent advice there.
David
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