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Post by wolferich on Dec 4, 2019 10:45:20 GMT
It seems I have to renew my main and foresail as well as Lazy bag, bimini and sprayhood before the coming season. Now I have a handful of questions and offers from a local sailmaker as well as from Jeanneau. My boat is located in Tuscany and I might spend 8-14 weeks on the boat next year leisure sailing.
The sailmaker proposed a cross cut full batten version for the main sail with the material Dacron Dymension-Polyant CB 391 9 Oz. He also offered a triradial cut based on the same material. For the jib he offered the same variants/material. Which cut would suit my needs well and is the offered Dacron the right choice?
Jeanneau offered a cross cut partially and full batten for the main and a standard jib, no triradial. Would it generally be a better choice to buy from Jeanneau? The sailmaker sold me a very nice furling Code 0 last year that made me happy.
I got offers from Jeanneau for Bimini & Sprayhood, Lazy bag will follow. They are cheaper than what the sailmaker offered to me. Is the quality of the Jeanneau replacement parts good or can I assume that the work of the sailmaker will be better?
Are there options to reduce the price for good quality sails by ordering online without the need to do same measuring on the boat?
I would be happy for any comments.
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Post by sitara on Dec 4, 2019 20:21:42 GMT
My suggestion would be to buy your sails from a good local sailmaker. That way the sailmaker can design the sails to suit your sailing area and your style of sailing. For example maybe including a third reef and sizing the headsail for your conditions.
For canvas work the choice is not so important. My experience with factory canvas has not been good with stitching rotting quickly in the past. Also the factory lazy bag on my boat (36i) is of minimum dimensions making it difficult to pack. I plan to add some extra panels to the bag (and a new zip) to solve this problem.
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Post by zaphod on Dec 6, 2019 23:23:40 GMT
I second that. Go to a local sailmaker and a local canvas shop. Some sailmakers do both, our local North Sails loft for example.
Our local Jeanneau broker gets all the canvas work done locally rather than ordering it from Jeanneau on their new boats.
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Post by johannes on Dec 7, 2019 14:11:29 GMT
Even local sailmakers order the sails from manufacturers in China or Thailand, but it is good to have a local point of contact. Plus they are responsible if something goes wrong with the order.
We bought new main + genoa last year. We chose a cruising laminate with dacron taffeta on both sides for protection (Dimension-Polyant Flex Ultra M). I was told that a dacron sail will last almost forever if you repair it, but will lose its shape gradually and have very poor performance after some years. A laminate sail will keep its shape but will fail more abruptly after ten or so years, depending on how much it is used.
I am generally very pleased with the performance of the sails after this season. The main is 2+2 full/semi battens, which seems to be what they recommend now. The negative thing with 2+2 is that it does not flake as nicely by its own as a full batten main. A full batten main may be better if you don't care so much about fine trimming and want a sail that is easy to handle.
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Post by wolferich on Dec 8, 2019 14:48:55 GMT
Is the proposed material Dacron Dymension-Polyant CB 391 9 Oz a good choice?
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Post by johannes on Dec 9, 2019 8:48:06 GMT
CB = C-Breeze (probably). Dimension Polyant is one of the two big names in dacron sailcloth (the other is Challenge). C-Breeze is their standard balanced warp/fill cloth. They have a more expensive option called AP Low Aspect. I think C-Breeze will be OK for cruising sails. It is one or two steps up from the cheap cloth alternatives.
This type of cloth is mostly intended for cross cut. For tri-radial dacron sails, a strong warp type of cloth is generally recommended. I don't there is any point in ordering tri-radial sails made of C-Breeze cloth. They will just be more expensive and made from a type of dacron not well suited for the job. If you want the increased performance given by tri-radial, I think you should go for laminate sails anyway.
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Post by wolferich on Dec 16, 2019 16:33:16 GMT
I have to correct. The sailmaker proposed Polyant Pro Radial as material for the triradial cut and that's what I have ordered in the meantime :-) .
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Post by Tafika II on Dec 16, 2019 16:50:53 GMT
We bought new sails through Precision using Contender FiberconPro-Radial woven cloth and a triradial cut. I think you will be very happy with your cloth selection!
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Post by so40gtb on Jan 2, 2020 3:14:48 GMT
Voyageur received new sails 3 years ago and a dock neighbor did the same. Mine are Challenge cloth, his are D-P cloth, which was my second choice, largely a function of price. I can't speak to Contender, which was proposed by one of the lofts seeking my order. Neither of us has looked back and are quite happy with the results. My main has full battens, while my jib is miter-cut. The latter really seems to enhance shape maintenance, versus the OEM French Technique-Voile sails.
--Karl
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Post by wolferich on Mar 13, 2020 19:57:53 GMT
My sails are ready but I have no chance to get to my boat in the foreseeable future. What a shame :-(
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Post by zaphod on Mar 14, 2020 6:32:20 GMT
My sails are ready but I have no chance to get to my boat in the foreseeable future. What a shame :-( Oh that would drive me crazy! New sails and no time to play with them! |
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Post by ventotene on Mar 17, 2020 11:36:24 GMT
Parece que tengo que renovar mi bolsa principal y la vela de proa, así como la bolsa Lazy, el bimini y el spray antes de la próxima temporada. Ahora tengo un puñado de preguntas y ofertas de un velero local, así como de Jeanneau. Mi barco se encuentra en la Toscana y podría pasar de 8 a 14 semanas en el barco el próximo año navegando por placer. El velero propuso una versión de listón completo de corte transversal para la vela principal con el material Dacron Dymension-Polyant CB 391 9 Oz. También ofreció un corte triradial basado en el mismo material. Para el foque ofreció las mismas variantes / material. ¿Qué corte se adaptaría bien a mis necesidades y es el Dacron ofrecido la opción correcta? Jeanneau ofreció un listón cruzado parcial y completo para la pluma principal y una pluma estándar, sin triradial. ¿Sería generalmente una mejor opción comprar en Jeanneau? El velero me vendió un muy buen código 0 el año pasado que me hizo feliz. Recibí ofertas de Jeanneau para Bimini & Sprayhood, Lazy bag seguirá. Son más baratos que lo que me ofreció el velero. ¿Es buena la calidad de las piezas de repuesto Jeanneau o puedo suponer que el trabajo del velero será mejor? ¿Existen opciones para reducir el precio de las velas de buena calidad al ordenar en línea sin la necesidad de hacer la misma medición en el barco? Estaría feliz por cualquier comentario. Mis velas están listas pero no tengo oportunidad de llegar a mi bote en el futuro previsible. Qué lástima :-( |
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ventotene
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Post by ventotene on Mar 17, 2020 12:08:32 GMT
No se, si contesto en el apartado correcto, pero como tengo un SO439 del 2014 con el que hago crucero largo y estoy ahora revisando y cambiando velas mi conclusión es :
- Vela Mayor enrollable de 39,3 m2 en "dracon-poliester" (enrollable pues hago navegación en solitario)
- Vela Génova (en proa) clásica al 106% de 41,05 m2 de alto rendimiento en "Mylar Taffeta X-Grid de DP", con enrollador Facnor LS 180. Para aumentar las prestaciones hasta 55% debería añadir o mover el carro hacia popa. Pero no lo voy a hacer.
- Vela Codigo cero de 76,4m2, que estoy sustituyendo ahora por una nueva igual a la que tenía en "X-Grid Mylar Aramid de DP" y va con almacenador Selden x-24. Con vientos flojos de 6 nudos reales regala o añade hasta 0,8 nudos y con 8 nudos de viento real te añade 0,4. Es poco pero lo suficiente para no poner motor con vientos débiles.
Mis primeras velas eran de Technique Voile, pero el código cero ahora está muy usado y roto.
Si supiera subir fotos a este link, te las subiría para que vieras los cortes pero soy nuevo en el foro y aun no se.
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Post by ventotene on Mar 17, 2020 12:13:28 GMT
NO - Vela Mayor matriculable de 39,3 m2 en "dracon-poliester" inscrita porque hago navegación en solitario)
SI - Vela Mayor con enrollador de 39,3 m2 en "dracon-poliester" con enrollador porque hago navegación en solitario)
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Post by wolferich on Sept 26, 2020 13:50:37 GMT
Finally I could go for 3 weeks to my boat. First I had to replace my propeller (different story) but then I could make a trip of two weeks and test the new sails.
In the beginning I had two or three times the problem, that the sails got stuck when pulling them up. Then I couldnt even get them down again at first. Before I could find out the cause for that the phenomena dissappeared. Fortunately! Eventually there was some dirt in the mast. I don't know.
Apart of that the sail stood in perfect shape from the beginning. First thin I noticed was a good increase of speed in light wind conditions (true wind 6kn, speed 5kn and more at half wind). There is also a remarkable improved sailing on onwind courses. So, after all, I am very happy with my new triradial sails.
Sprayhood, Bimini and Lazy Bag are also renewed, very close to the originals. All colour match now, very nice.
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Post by moonshadow on Sept 26, 2020 19:19:26 GMT
I just received my new main sail. For a roller furling SO469. I went with a Hydranet triradial for a few reasons. My local sail loft is a Evolution dealer but this sail was made in house locally. It’s nice to stop in and watch it come together.
I’m taking this time to have my furler overhauled by US Spars before I try it out.
My old sail looked great up close, just wouldn’t hold a good shape in a breeze anymore.
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