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Post by zaphod on Mar 5, 2019 17:12:55 GMT
We bought our boat for cruising, but of course being an old racer I cant help contemplating taking her out for the occasional race. My home club uses their own hybrid phrf system for our club races, but if I want to enter any bigger events I will need an official phrf rating, so I started doing a bit of research and found a huge range...from 87 up to 150! ORC has a similar broad range, from 615 up to 750, with an average of around 640 which equates to 99 phrf.
Of course there are several different models...Performance, standard, and shoal draft which could account for some of the differences, unfortunately the databases I searched dont differentiate between them.
My local phrf handicapper came up with a base rating of 90. On the one hand, if that is even close to correct then my boat has more speed potential than I thought. On the other hand, I have my doubts that I would be able to sail anywhere near that rating without throwing a bucket of money into new sails...
Does anyone else have a phrf certificate for their 39i, or know anyone who races one? I would be curious to hear what their experience has been. What boats do they consider their competition in terms of boat to boat performance?
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Post by MartyB on Mar 6, 2019 5:42:16 GMT
Fastest I've seen is a P version on Lake Ontario at 81 or there abouts. The 39iP is probably the best powered up rig of the i series boat. The 42iP and 36iP are also pretty powered up too, not near as good as the 39. The slowest rated boats are probably a shoal draft with furling main and jib, no spin would be my guess. I could see a typical 39i with std main, jib and a spin being around 100. As are some 409's at least here in the puget sound region. Which I should point out, also derates the typical rating by 10% which with our lower ave wind speeds, helps the slower boats to a degree. The slower rated boats could be in divisions like where I am.
Marty
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Post by MartyB on Mar 8, 2019 3:20:06 GMT
www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/this link on pages 116-118 shows all Jeanneau sailboats with PHRF handicaps in the US and I believe Canada too. Page 118 has the 39i and its derivatives ratings. This might help you know if the rating you have been given is good or not. Marty
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Post by zaphod on Mar 9, 2019 18:03:22 GMT
www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/this link on pages 116-118 shows all Jeanneau sailboats with PHRF handicaps in the US and I believe Canada too. Page 118 has the 39i and its derivatives ratings. This might help you know if the rating you have been given is good or not. Marty There sure isnt many 39i racing in the US! There are a huge number racing ORC in Europe. My home club has a floating handicap system that gets adjusted after every series, so I will sail under that to start with. There is a Bene 36.7 and a Sunfast 37 in the fleet, so they should be a good reference point. The new Asymetric is still 6 weeks away, but at least I can test my upwind performance against them. Even with the A-kite, it will be hard to compete with their symetric spinnakers on the runs. It's all just an excuse to get out sailing anyway! |
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mdrsail
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Jeanneau Model: 2008 39i
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Post by mdrsail on Mar 26, 2021 20:45:37 GMT
I just had my 39i rated and the fine folks at PHRF tell me that my boat, since new in 2009, has rated 78/72/72. That seems excessively low to me. I am going to be racing against Beneteau 40.7s and J109s... I must prepare for DFL every race. Every. Race. These are SoCal PHRF ratings.
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Post by zaphod on Mar 26, 2021 23:36:06 GMT
I just had my 39i rated and the fine folks at PHRF tell me that my boat, since new in 2009, has rated 78/72/72. That seems excessively low to me. I am going to be racing against Beneteau 40.7s and J109s... I must prepare for DFL every race. Every. Race. These are SoCal PHRF ratings. Is that a standard 39i or a 39iP? Either way that looks like a tough rating to sail to! Let us know how it goes! |
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mdrsail
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Post by mdrsail on Mar 29, 2021 16:30:34 GMT
It's an iP. I'll update as the season progresses, but keep in mind I will have a completely new crew and we will all be learning as we go!
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Post by zaphod on Mar 29, 2021 16:57:48 GMT
It's an iP. I'll update as the season progresses, but keep in mind I will have a completely new crew and we will all be learning as we go! Oh well, win or lose you are doing it in style and comfort! That handicap is the same as the Olson 30 I race on. We refer to cruising boats in our division as "Lasagna boats" because I once raced on a boat in a long distance race that served up lasagna hot out of the oven when the race boats were eating sandwiches on the rail! |
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Post by mdrsail on Apr 1, 2021 18:03:21 GMT
Same as an Olsen 30? Argh... I guess I will make it a point of serving something nice to my crew. Does this mean I should leave the table in the cockpit so my crew can eat comfortably? I plan on removing the table, bimini and dodger for races.
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Post by zaphod on Apr 1, 2021 19:13:43 GMT
Same as an Olsen 30? Argh... I guess I will make it a point of serving something nice to my crew. Does this mean I should leave the table in the cockpit so my crew can eat comfortably? I plan on removing the table, bimini and dodger for races. Wow you are serious if you are going to remove the table. What are you going to do with the wiring for the chart plotter, vhf ram mic etc? My bimini folds back out of the way, but removing the dodger would be a pain, and does not really get in the way for racing unless you plan on dousing the spinnaker into the companionway. |
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mdrsail
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Post by mdrsail on Apr 1, 2021 20:17:34 GMT
My table is removable- it's shackled to the deck by a pad eye. No electronics are wired here. This brings me to another subject for another thread- my electronics are NMEA 0183 and I don't know how to bring the plotter wirelessly to a device I can mount to the table.
The bimini is a five minute procedure to remove, but the dodger is another story. I may request an allowance and race with it, or just try it both ways to see what I like.
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Post by zaphod on Apr 2, 2021 2:09:48 GMT
My table is removable- it's shackled to the deck by a pad eye. No electronics are wired here. This brings me to another subject for another thread- my electronics are NMEA 0183 and I don't know how to bring the plotter wirelessly to a device I can mount to the table. The bimini is a five minute procedure to remove, but the dodger is another story. I may request an allowance and race with it, or just try it both ways to see what I like. Oh I didn't realize the performance models had removable tables. That makes sense I guess. On mine the table is bolted down, and there is a pipe that comes out of the cockpit sole for all the wiring. The chart plotter is mounted on the end of the table base, as well as wiring for a lighting circuit, 12v outlet, and vhf ram mic. My table is not going anywhere! I doubt you will get any kind of a credit for having a dodger. Other than visibility and a bit more windage they aren't a big performance liability. You might appreciate having it in bad weather! |
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Post by rc sail on Apr 2, 2021 13:58:49 GMT
In the Midwest-Lk. Michigan, the J109 s rate at/about 75 so looks like you will have your sail skills at optimum for your rate at 78. It will be of interest to see how the
409 does against the B 40.7s and J boats so pls keep us updated on your results. Best of luck and hope you can keep it fun.
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Post by zaphod on Apr 2, 2021 15:11:13 GMT
Same as an Olsen 30? Argh... I guess I will make it a point of serving something nice to my crew. Does this mean I should leave the table in the cockpit so my crew can eat comfortably? I plan on removing the table, bimini and dodger for races. Actually if they give you a rating in the 70's you will owe an Olson 30, and a Melges24 a bucket of time! Hopefully they will keep the ultralight boats in a different division. |
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